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30 years on - let's spare a thought!

Wed Jul 05, 2006 9:51 am

5th July - I wonder if Red, Sonny and Dave remember what happened on this day, thirty years ago. Before anyone chips in, this is not the day these guys were fired, but the last day they worked with Presley! Ol' Vern fired the boys a week later!
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Presley, West and co. leaving Tulsa, enroute to Memphis, July 5th '76!

30 years on

Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:17 pm

... I always have thought, this to be a very lame move by Elvis, having

his father do the dirty work. Elvis, in the summer of that year, was so

wacked out - most of the time. Check his performances on boot - he

most probably didnt even dared to face Red and Sonny, on that faithful

day... These guys were good guys. They took a lot of sh*t from their

boss, in those final years. And the excuse given, for kicking the guys

out, is laughable! Poor Elvis... never learned to deal with everyday

life problems. "Im payin you guys, to clean my sh*t! Now move!"

..."Charlie! Get me my deleted - see guidelines #2 pills!"

Sad, sad indeed...

Re: 30 years on

Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:36 pm

Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff wrote:... I always have thought, this to be a very lame move by Elvis, having

his father do the dirty work. Elvis, in the summer of that year, was so

wacked out - most of the time. Check his performances on boot - he

most probably didnt even dared to face Red and Sonny, on that faithful

day... These guys were good guys. They took a lot of sh*t from their

boss, in those final years. And the excuse given, for kicking the guys

out, is laughable! Poor Elvis... never learned to deal with everyday

life problems. "Im payin you guys, to clean my sh*t! Now move!"

..."Charlie! Get me my deleted - see guidelines #2 pills!"

Sad, sad indeed...


Poor Sonny and Red, I feel so sorry for them. I think we should take up a post firing collection for them. The fact remains Ger, from day 1, Elvis always had people assigned to do his stuff, that's why they were paid, in this case it was Vernon who was in charge of payroll.

Re: 30 years on

Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:37 pm

Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff wrote:... Charlie! Get me my deleted - see guidelines #2 pills!"...


If Elvis had been reduced to taking those, he was in worse condition than I thought !

Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:25 pm

Elvis always had people assigned to do his stuff, that's why they were paid



i remember reading somewhere, when Lisa had a flat on her golf-cart, that she ran inside Graceland to tell her daddy to fix it for her, to which Elvis told her..honey, daddy does'nt do THAT KINDA THING, I got people that does THAT STUFF for me!!

....hell if i could get somebody else to change my tire, i'd let 'em ..hha

can i get an amend?

30 years on

Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:38 pm

... Red, had been one of his closest friends, since humes high.

And Sonny, was very much like real family, to Elvis, all those

years... Together, they probably saved his ass, many times,

when he was "out", not capable perfoming...

Yes, they shared many good times with Elvis, Im sure. But the

last couple o years, must have been hectic, working for a friend,

who never listened to advice, from the people close to him.

They warned him, over and over, to calm down on all the pills.

Ofcourse, Elvis knew better...

Thats the reality, Joe.

Im not out to slam Elvis. But on this topic, I take sides with

Red and Sonny. Like they said : "How can you help someone,

who doesnt want help. "

Re: 30 years on

Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:49 pm

Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff wrote:... Red, had been one of his closest friends, since humes high.

And Sonny, was very much like real family, to Elvis, all those

years... Together, they probably saved his ass, many times,

when he was "out", not capable perfoming...

Yes, they shared many good times with Elvis, Im sure. But the

last couple o years, must have been hectic, working for a friend,

who never listened to advice, from the people close to him.

They warned him, over and over, to calm down on all the pills.

Ofcourse, Elvis knew better...

Thats the reality, Joe.

Im not out to slam Elvis. But on this topic, I take sides with

Red and Sonny. Like they said : "How can you help someone,

who doesnt want help. "


I'm sure it wasn't easy for Red and Sonny either, good post Ger.

Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:38 pm

Big mistake to let go Red and Sonny this way..
Pretty amazing Red taped his telephone call with Elvis in '76..
Maybe someone can post the conversation here.. it's a rare insight in Elvis' private life.

Yet, after the news about the "What happened" book release, Elvis lost his last will to live..

30 years on

Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:52 pm

... Good to see, were not clashing this time, Joe!

As much as I love Elvis, far too many fans always blame all the bad,

that happened to Elvis, in his later years, to the people around him!

Thats not the reality. I dont know what it was like to be on a 24/ 7

standby, working for Elvis? Must have been exciting, during the

good years. But when the darkside of E took control, from say 73

onwards, no free sex, free drugs, or a new car, would make up

for a lot of mood swings from the boss. I see no glamour in working

for him, in those final years...

One bad remark, in his direction, and one could pack his suitcase,

and leave... And there was never a "sorry, man" later on. A new

car, maybe? But no apologies.

Did he ever say sorry to Red, later on, during their taped telephone

conversation? I cant remember...

Im sure, Elvis must have felt very lonely, in the end. Locked up

in a world largely controled by pills.

Kicking out your best friends, who did the best they could, and

put your life in the hands of drugs crazy stepbrothers, half his

age, wasnt his best move. Now was it?

Red and Sonny, would not have been able to save Elvis.

But maybe, he would have survived a little longer...? At least

they knew the person, inside out.

Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:00 pm

I completely agree with you

Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:15 pm

Having his dad sack those two guys is indeed one of the lamest things Elvis ever did. Regardless of any of the crap involved (we all have run-ins with our close friends and family), getting his father to do that serves as a perfect example of how 'out of it' Elvis was at that time.

Sadly, he didn't have a clue anymore. God bless him.

Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:17 pm

Robert wrote:Pretty amazing Red taped his telephone call with Elvis in '76..Maybe someone can post the conversation here.. it's a rare insight in Elvis' private life...


http://www.grazielvis.it/forum/showthread.php?t=397

Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:39 am

You're absolutely right Ger.......Red and Sonny have come in for a lot of flack over the years, but the fact remains that they were the only ones with the guts to confront Elvis in public during his life.

Was the money from the book deal an issue?? Sure.

Was the anger and bitterness of being fired in such a cowardly way after lifelong relationships an issue as well ??? No doubt.

But there is no such thing as a PURE motive. Everything we do, we do with mixed motives. That doesn't mean their desire to reach Elvis with the book before it was too late wasn't genuine and paramount.

At least they had the balls to TRY...........at least they CARED enough TO TRY. Can't say as much for the "hangers-on" that replaced them.

POS Stanleys......

Thu Jul 06, 2006 2:17 am

Delboy wrote:
Robert wrote:Pretty amazing Red taped his telephone call with Elvis in '76..Maybe someone can post the conversation here.. it's a rare insight in Elvis' private life...


http://www.grazielvis.it/forum/showthread.php?t=397


Thanks for this link..! :wink:

Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:35 am

e always denyed he was messed up. how do you convince a person they have a problem when they are gonna deny it?

Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:08 am

Even as an Elvis fan, i find it sad i have to blame the things that happened to him in his last years on him, but that is unfortunately the fact. But i don't takein to account all that terrible stuff when listening to his beautiful voice in his fantastic music he made. He poured his soul in to every song he sang, and that is what will make him last eternity. 8)

Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:16 pm

[quote="Scott Haigh 781990EP"]He poured his soul in to every song he sang,


Yoga Is As Yoga Does?
Petunia The Gardener's Daughter?
Song Of The Shrimp?
Who Needs Money?
The Love Machine?
Ito Eats?
Barefoot Ballad?
Queenie Wahine's Papaya?
:roll:

Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:42 pm

Tits McGhee wrote:
[quote="Scott Haigh 781990EP"]He poured his soul in to every song he sang,


Yoga Is As Yoga Does?
Petunia The Gardener's Daughter?
Song Of The Shrimp?
Who Needs Money?
The Love Machine?
Ito Eats?
Barefoot Ballad?
Queenie Wahine's Papaya?
:roll:
He's very convincing in "Ito eats".

Fri Jul 07, 2006 8:37 am

OK, well, all the songs he liked. :lol:

Re: 30 years on

Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:26 am

Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff wrote:Like they said : "How can you help someone,who doesnt want help. "

By releasing a lurid book? I'll remember to do this with my loved ones.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 3:49 pm

They were pissed off (and rightly so) by the way they'd been treated and wanted to do something that would hopefully get El to change his ways. Their book is tame compared to some of the dross that followed.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:48 pm

Tits McGhee wrote:They were pissed off (and rightly so) by the way they'd been treated and wanted to do something that would hopefully get El to change his ways. Their book is tame compared to some of the dross that followed.


They might have been pissed off, but let's cut to the chase, they wanted to make a big score money wise, which I'm assuming they did. I don't really understand why they took Hebler along, his firing was not a big deal. To me he was along for the ride. I'd be curious to know how much money they made from that book.

Fri Jul 07, 2006 6:38 pm

If you worked for someone for such a long time (or, in Red's case, had been a friend of that person since childhood) and all of a sudden you get sacked in such a lame-arse way (God, Elvis could be a real pussy at times), wouldn't you want to 'get your own back' in the heat of the moment? That's what happened with these guys. None of it would have happened if Elvis had had more backbone.

Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:24 am

What Elvis did was vicious......period. No excuse making, please :roll:

He was cutting ties with anyone who could hold him accountable and surrounding himself with a coterie of "yes men" who would do his bidding without question. His drug-induced paranoia and cravings are at the core of it.

I don't fault the Wests........as I said, mixed motives, sure. But some need to grow up if they think that all motives aren't at some level.

If someone had cut mee off at the knees that way after 20 years of friendship, casting me and my family adrift like so much garbage, you better damn well know I'd strike back.

Sat Jul 08, 2006 9:12 am

When i first read the book, i could'nt believe the stuff i was reading, i did'nt know if it was true, it was terrible. It is not tame compared to other stuff written about him, it is the worst of the worst.