Re: Elvis Recorded

Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:56 am

Rtn 2 Sndr wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Again, the key here is how Elvis addresses the song in those August concerts. It is not presented as a private recording he made. Instead, Presley offers it up as something cut at the beginning of his career proper, that did get some brief airplay.

"The second record that I ever recorded, when I first started out in the business, was called 'Tiger Man.' And, uh (applause), you heard of it? Not too many people did."
Friday, August 21, 1970 MS
http://jordans-elvis-world.com/audio/lostlovin/3.ram

His implication was that "Tiger Man" was going to be a follow-up to his Sun single debut in July 1954, but plans changed.


So that would imply that if a Sun recording of "Tiger Man" by Elvis survives, that it may be an acetate test pressing that Sam Phillips used to test the song with local DJs, just as he would later do with "My Baby's Gone". That seems entirely possible to me.

Perhaps, drjohncarpenter, all of us who love the Sun era will one day have a chance to hear a treasure like this.


This is exactly what I believe, and exactly my dream, too!

I still hope someone reading this knows more.

A LOT more.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:45 pm

That people are taking seriously anything Elvis said on stage is really quite ridiculous - things were said as a joke or, on occasion, simply something to say. For example, Elvis told a reporter in 1956 that his version of My Happiness from 1953 was based on a version by The Ink Spots - and yet the group NEVER recorded the number. Elvis was about as trustworthy with accounts of his past as...well, the Colonel.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:32 pm

poormadpeter wrote:That people are taking seriously anything Elvis said on stage is really quite ridiculous - things were said as a joke or, on occasion, simply something to say. For example, Elvis told a reporter in 1956 that his version of My Happiness from 1953 was based on a version by The Ink Spots - and yet the group NEVER recorded the number. Elvis was about as trustworthy with accounts of his past as...well, the Colonel.


Your ridiculous contention has already been well discussed -- and dismissed -- earlier in this topic. Go back to page 1 and revisit the information you either lost or never had.

As for the interview example you allude to, 3-24-1956 in New York with Robert Carlton Brown, to be exact, you get the quote completely wrong.

What was it going to be of? What record were you going to make for her?

Oh, I made the record, in fact, we still got the record at home. It's so thin, so thin you can't play it. But, uh, the record I made was "My Happiness," and then one of the Ink Spots numbers.

It's online, for those who care about their facts before posting forum assertions, like me. ;-)

Elvis Presley Interview...Warwick Hotel...New York, NY...1956
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhYOdfSbPoU&t=00m13s



Clearly, Elvis very correctly attributes his cover of "That's When Your Heartaches Begin" to the Ink Spots.

And the comments he makes on stage in August 1970 are extremely compelling, to say the least.

Enjoy the knowledge!

Or, as Elvis used to say, "Burnt!"

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:06 am

"Ah sang That's When Your Heartaches Begin and My Happiness. A couple of things the Ink Spots were doing just then."

Interview with Jack Carroll.

Jack Carroll, "I Like Elvis Presley", Weekend Magazine, pp.7-11.

Thus proving my point - what Elvis says one day, he changes the next. Enjoy the knowledge.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:10 am

poormadpeter wrote:"Ah sang That's When Your Heartaches Begin and My Happiness. A couple of things the Ink Spots were doing just then."

Interview with Jack Carroll.

Jack Carroll, "I Like Elvis Presley", Weekend Magazine, pp.7-11.

Thus proving my point - what Elvis says one day, he changes the next. Enjoy the knowledge.


Funny, unlike my post, with the audio and transcript available to all, there is nothing to yours except hot air.

The man's name, by the way, was Jock Carroll.

Jock Carroll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Carroll

Details really aren't your specialty, are they?

Please derail another topic, or do as I instructed and read how your alleged "point" has been well demolished.

Thanks!

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:22 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
poormadpeter wrote:"Ah sang That's When Your Heartaches Begin and My Happiness. A couple of things the Ink Spots were doing just then."

Interview with Jack Carroll.

Jack Carroll, "I Like Elvis Presley", Weekend Magazine, pp.7-11.

Thus proving my point - what Elvis says one day, he changes the next. Enjoy the knowledge.


Funny, unlike my post, with the audio and transcript available to all, there is nothing to yours except hot air.

The man's name, by the way, was Jock Carroll.

Jock Carroll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_Carroll

Details really aren't your specialty, are they?

Please derail another topic, or do as I instructed and read how your alleged "point" has been well demolished.

Thanks!


Not demolished at all. You choose to not believe something written in black and white on a page that states it is a transcript of what Elvis said to him. Not that it matters - you dismiss anything that doesn't suit your tunnel vision approach to life.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:26 am

Return to page 1 and get reading. And say 'hi' to Jack Carroll for me.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:40 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:Return to page 1 and get reading. And say 'hi' to Jack Carroll for me.


Sadly the name is unclear on my copy. so sorry. not that it makes a great deal of difference to the point.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:21 am

Wow! 21 pages devoted to this topic. It seems obvious that Elvis got bored of singing Mystery Train in August 1970 and chose to only sing Tiger Man. Instead of saying something long-winded and hard to understand along the lines of "my second record was Mystery Train and I'd like to do a song that sounds similar to it and that I have been singing as part of a medley with it; a song called Tiger Man" Elvis just simply called it his "second record." Also I think Elvis might have said this because he found it funny to confuse his audience and fans. In one of the audience recordings from August 1970 Elvis seems to laugh when he calls it his second record. When Elvis said "not too many people heard it" I've always thought this was him hinting to the audience that he's just lying that he recorded it and sharing his joke with them.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Sun Mar 30, 2014 1:23 pm

charro1971 wrote:Wow! 21 pages devoted to this topic.


And not a single shred of hard evidence to prove he ever actually recorded it at all. Us Elvis fans just love pure speculation.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:09 pm

charro1971 wrote:I've always thought this was him hinting to the audience that he's just lying that he recorded it and sharing his joke with them.


That's how most people view it.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:42 pm

poormadpeter wrote:
charro1971 wrote:I've always thought this was him hinting to the audience that he's just lying that he recorded it and sharing his joke with them.


That's how most people view it.

Not me. I want to believe. :D

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:25 am

charro1971 wrote:Wow! 21 pages devoted to this topic. It seems obvious that Elvis got bored of singing Mystery Train in August 1970 and chose to only sing Tiger Man. Instead of saying something long-winded and hard to understand along the lines of "my second record was Mystery Train and I'd like to do a song that sounds similar to it and that I have been singing as part of a medley with it; a song called Tiger Man" Elvis just simply called it his "second record." Also I think Elvis might have said this because he found it funny to confuse his audience and fans. In one of the audience recordings from August 1970 Elvis seems to laugh when he calls it his second record. When Elvis said "not too many people heard it" I've always thought this was him hinting to the audience that he's just lying that he recorded it and sharing his joke with them.


Have you read this topic? Please go to page 1 and dig in.

Thanks!

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Thu Apr 03, 2014 10:04 am

Count me in as one of the believers too.
Imagine if you will that Elvis did not re-record "When It Rains, It Really Pours" in 1957 and the first time we heard him sing any portion of that song was when they unearthed the rehearsals for the NBC Special. The fact that the Sun version of "When It Rains..." did not resurface until 1982 and other Sun rarities continue to appear 60 years later, gives me hope that somewhere the Sun version of Tiger Man is waiting to be found.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:08 pm

mjsantafe wrote:Count me in as one of the believers too.
Imagine if you will that Elvis did not re-record "When It Rains, It Really Pours" in 1957 and the first time we heard him sing any portion of that song was when they unearthed the rehearsals for the NBC Special. The fact that the Sun version of "When It Rains..." did not resurface until 1982 and other Sun rarities continue to appear 60 years later, gives me hope that somewhere the Sun version of Tiger Man is waiting to be found.


That was 31 years ago - there has been a thorough search for such material since then. Ernst spent 8 years writing and researching the Boy From Tupelo book, but came up with NO evidence the song was ever recorded. The Doc himself has said that the project was the last word on the Sun years - and, if so, we have to assume that no previously-unknown studio recordings ever existed. Elvis said lots of stuff in his concerts that simply was not true - that he repeated the same thing on a number of occasions within a short space of time doesn't make it any more credible. It may well be possible that he sang it live during the Sun years, and I guess there's a chance a recording of that might turn up, but we know everything there is to know about his studio recordings - and Tiger Man is not one of them.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:49 pm

mjsantafe wrote:Count me in as one of the believers too.
Imagine if you will that Elvis did not re-record "When It Rains, It Really Pours" in 1957 and the first time we heard him sing any portion of that song was when they unearthed the rehearsals for the NBC Special. The fact that the Sun version of "When It Rains..." did not resurface until 1982 and other Sun rarities continue to appear 60 years later, gives me hope that somewhere the Sun version of Tiger Man is waiting to be found.


Thanks. Your analogy is a very good one, too!

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:13 am

its funny because after those few times he says it in august 1970 he never says it again. and never said it before then. it could be that in august 1970 something or someone made him think that. and then maybe he realized it was not true and dropped the topic.

has anyone else who was there at sun with elvis been asked and what have they said?

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:19 am

From what I am aware, even Scotty Moore doesn't remember recording it either.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:39 pm

A lot of great information has been brought to this topic. If there is smoke, then probably there is fire.

I believe "Tigerman" was recorded by Elvis during the Sun era.

Nowadays, Scotty and D.J. Fontana would hardly remember any details of recordings. Wonderful things pop from time to time. For example, the live version of "I Forgot To Remember To Forget". I recall reading that Scotty Moore did not remember performing so long a guitar solo during these concerts.

Re: Elvis Recorded "Tiger Man" At Sun --> Mystery Solved ?

Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:26 am

Renan wrote:A lot of great information has been brought to this topic. If there is smoke, then probably there is fire.

I believe "Tigerman" was recorded by Elvis during the Sun era.

Nowadays, Scotty and D.J. Fontana would hardly remember any details of recordings. Wonderful things pop from time to time. For example, the live version of "I Forgot To Remember To Forget". I recall reading that Scotty Moore did not remember performing so long a guitar solo during these concerts.


Thanks for your post. Of course, your thoughts mirror mine.

Sadly, it seems people coming to this topic now and dropping a reply cannot be bothered to actually read the entire discussion first.