Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Wed Nov 17, 2010 5:56 am

Juan Luis wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Two more for the list:

Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at the Star-Club, Hamburg (1964)

Now, that is one bad-ass album.

Yes. I read it is considered one of the best live albums of all time from CD REVIEW magazine. Great mag imo that went out of business.

It is definitely in the top ten.

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:57 pm

Have you listened to the complete HB shows or do you just have the 1977 album ?

Sure it was succesful and a fun album, but it was also sonically and musically flawed, because of the reasons above stated. The Beatles, as per usual when playing for a large and noisy crowd circa '64-'65, overcompensated for the sheer bedlam and weren't concentrated enough. Who could blame them. There simply was no room for finesse.

drjohncarpenter wrote:
James27 wrote:Well, The Beatles thought it was a problem, and it was one of the main reasons they quit touring and started experimenting with an incredible string of legendary studio records as a result. That's when they really reached their full potential as a band, after they quit touring.

That is debatable, but none of what you write above applies to the recordings cited. Also, the Beatles did not directly reject the Hollywood Bowl album master prepared for a holiday release in 1964 or the tapes made a year later. Accounts say it was George Martin.

The 1977 issue, an amalgam of their fantastic Hollywood Bowl shows of 1964 and 1965, was hardly "milking the cow." Since the Beatles breakup in 1970 very few reissues had hit the market, and they had never offered an official live release. That the album hit #1 UK and #2 US in 1977 indicates the public was very much appreciative of this long-overdue release. And, as noted, it was influential in its own right.

The album I would select would be one concert from each Hollywood Bowl visit, and it would be a truly exciting release, ranking right up there with the greats already discussed.

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:51 am

James27 wrote:Have you listened to the complete HB shows or do you just have the 1977 album ?

I own copies of all of the above on vinyl and compact disc.

James27 wrote:Sure it was successful and a fun album, but it was also sonically and musically flawed ... there simply was no room for finesse.

Finesse? These are rock 'n' roll shows, with the #1 band in the world kicking ass and taking no prisoners.

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:32 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
James27 wrote:Have you listened to the complete HB shows or do you just have the 1977 album ?

I own copies of all of the above on vinyl and compact disc.

James27 wrote:Sure it was successful and a fun album, but it was also sonically and musically flawed ... there simply was no room for finesse.

Finesse? These are rock 'n' roll shows, with the #1 band in the world kicking ass and taking no prisoners.


One can have finesse and concentration and still kick ass. Sam Cooke's famous Harlem concert is a good example. While you're at it, enjoying your Beatles hobby, you should check out this Beatles stuff on DVD:

The Beatles Channel 9
Live in Washington DC
Sgt. Pepper Companion
Shea Stadium
George Martin In My Life
Something New
Live in Japan
Rainbows 2DVD

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:42 pm

I know you're going wild in question marks, DJC, so to elaborate a bit more:

*The Beatles Channel 9 = GTV Channel 9 at Melbourne's Festival Hall wedn. 17/6/64 --> The Beatles Sing for Shell aired 1-7-64 TV Special; support acts Johnny Devlin, the New Zealand King of R&R Johnny Chester, Sounds Incorporated.
*The Beatles Live in Washington DC 11/2/64
*The Beatles Magical Mystery Tour 40th Ann. Edit
*Something New - The World Tour vol. 1
* Sgt. Pepper Companion - The Making Of + promo videos, outtakes, mono/stereo/dtx mix
*Let It Be + Outtakes (Anthology + other material) + L.D.
*The Beatles Live At Shea Stadium 15/8/65 from ABC Broadcast Master
*The Beatles Live in Japan Tokyo 1966 - 11 songs
* Watching Rainbows 2DVD - DVD1 the Best: '64-'69, 22 promo films + bonus promo Hey Bulldog + orginal broadcast "American Bandstand"
- DVD2 The Rest: '65-'69 alternates + outtakes + bonus promos; later versions 1993-2000 + original broadcasts "The Ed Sullivan
Shows"

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Good luck building up your Beatles collection!

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:42 am

James27 wrote:I know you're going wild in question marks ... Good luck building up your Beatles collection!

Nope. No question marks here. My Beatles archive is sound and comprehensive, and my knowledge thorough and far more extensive. Feel free to post another 20 from your collection, if that's what floats your boat.

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:34 am

No need to be defensive little John, just trying to help out a "newbie", that's all. :)

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Thu Nov 25, 2010 11:26 pm

midnightx wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Two more for the list:

Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at the Star-Club, Hamburg (1964)

Now, that is one bad-ass album.

Yes. I read it is considered one of the best live albums of all time from CD REVIEW magazine. Great mag imo that went out of business.

It is definitely in the top ten.

What are the other 9?

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Fri Nov 26, 2010 10:46 am

Sam Cooke's Harlem album is probably in there.

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sat Nov 27, 2010 6:16 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Two more for the list:

Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at the Star-Club, Hamburg (1964)

Now, that is one bad-ass album.

Yes. I read it is considered one of the best live albums of all time from CD REVIEW magazine. Great mag imo that went out of business.

It is definitely in the top ten.

What are the other 9?

It fits right into this group of ten:

The Who: Live At Leeds
The Allman Brothers Band: At Fillmore East
BB King: Live At The Regal
Bill Evans: Sunday at the Village Vanguard
James Brown: Live At The Apollo
Bob Dylan: Bootleg Series, Vol. 4: Live 1966, “Royal Albert Hall” Concert
Johnny Cash: At Folsom Prison
Joy Division: Les Bains Douches 1979
Nirvana: MTV Unplugged in New York
Aretha Franklin: Live at Fillmore West

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:55 am

midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Two more for the list:

Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at the Star-Club, Hamburg (1964)

Now, that is one bad-ass album.

Yes. I read it is considered one of the best live albums of all time from CD REVIEW magazine. Great mag imo that went out of business.

It is definitely in the top ten.

What are the other 9?

It fits right into this group of ten:

The Who: Live At Leeds
The Allman Brothers Band: At Fillmore East
BB King: Live At The Regal
Bill Evans: Sunday at the Village Vanguard
James Brown: Live At The Apollo
Bob Dylan: Bootleg Series, Vol. 4: Live 1966, “Royal Albert Hall” Concert
Johnny Cash: At Folsom Prison
Joy Division: Les Bains Douches 1979
Nirvana: MTV Unplugged in New York
Aretha Franklin: Live at Fillmore West


Midnightx, your musical tastes are eclectic, to say the least ...

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:56 am

minkahed wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Two more for the list:

Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at the Star-Club, Hamburg (1964)

Now, that is one bad-ass album.

Yes. I read it is considered one of the best live albums of all time from CD REVIEW magazine. Great mag imo that went out of business.

It is definitely in the top ten.

What are the other 9?

It fits right into this group of ten:

The Who: Live At Leeds
The Allman Brothers Band: At Fillmore East
BB King: Live At The Regal
Bill Evans: Sunday at the Village Vanguard
James Brown: Live At The Apollo
Bob Dylan: Bootleg Series, Vol. 4: Live 1966, “Royal Albert Hall” Concert
Johnny Cash: At Folsom Prison
Joy Division: Les Bains Douches 1979
Nirvana: MTV Unplugged in New York
Aretha Franklin: Live at Fillmore West


Midnightx, your musical tastes are eclectic, to say the least ...

By "eclectic" do you mean bad?

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:38 am

ekenee wrote:
minkahed wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Two more for the list:

Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at the Star-Club, Hamburg (1964)

Now, that is one bad-ass album.

Yes. I read it is considered one of the best live albums of all time from CD REVIEW magazine. Great mag imo that went out of business.

It is definitely in the top ten.

What are the other 9?

It fits right into this group of ten:

The Who: Live At Leeds
The Allman Brothers Band: At Fillmore East
BB King: Live At The Regal
Bill Evans: Sunday at the Village Vanguard
James Brown: Live At The Apollo
Bob Dylan: Bootleg Series, Vol. 4: Live 1966, “Royal Albert Hall” Concert
Johnny Cash: At Folsom Prison
Joy Division: Les Bains Douches 1979
Nirvana: MTV Unplugged in New York
Aretha Franklin: Live at Fillmore West


Midnightx, your musical tastes are eclectic, to say the least ...

By "eclectic" do you mean bad?



Uh, no ...

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:57 pm

midnightx wrote:It fits right into this group of ten:

The Who: Live At Leeds
The Allman Brothers Band: At Fillmore East
BB King: Live At The Regal
Bill Evans: Sunday at the Village Vanguard
James Brown: Live At The Apollo
Bob Dylan: Bootleg Series, Vol. 4: Live 1966, “Royal Albert Hall” Concert
Johnny Cash: At Folsom Prison
Joy Division: Les Bains Douches 1979
Nirvana: MTV Unplugged in New York
Aretha Franklin: Live at Fillmore West

That's a pretty good selection -- but where are Sam Cooke (Harlem Square Club) or the Stones (1969-73)?

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:19 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:It fits right into this group of ten:

The Who: Live At Leeds
The Allman Brothers Band: At Fillmore East
BB King: Live At The Regal
Bill Evans: Sunday at the Village Vanguard
James Brown: Live At The Apollo
Bob Dylan: Bootleg Series, Vol. 4: Live 1966, “Royal Albert Hall” Concert
Johnny Cash: At Folsom Prison
Joy Division: Les Bains Douches 1979
Nirvana: MTV Unplugged in New York
Aretha Franklin: Live at Fillmore West

That's a pretty good selection -- but where are Sam Cooke (Harlem Square Club) or the Stones (1969-73)?

With only about 10 slots, some incredible albums can't make the cut. Cooke's Harlem Square Club is wonderful, but I'm not sure it would knock any of the above mentioned titles out, but maybe it would. The only live Stones album worthy of making an "official" list would be Ya-Ya's, and yet, not only is it arguably not better than those ten titles (including Jerry Lee Lewis' Live at the Star-Club, Hamburg), but the Stones' live output is better represented by underground titles such as 1969's "Liver Than You'll Ever Be" and 1973's "Brussels Affair."

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:40 am

Brussels Affair ? Recorded in Brussels ?

Brussels is a cool city man, I lived there for 8 years. Always something happening. But it's harsh too, a lot of violence, criminality, dirty streets and buildings, drugs and winos. But apart from that, a great multicultural atmosphere when you know where to go and where to stay away, also great food when you know where to find it, great jazz and blues clubs and nobody cares about anything or anybody, so you can live pretty anonomous there. Which can be a good (freedom) or a bad thing (loneliness). I get the same feeling in Paris, except Paris is much prettier. Never been to New York, but I would love to go there.

I remember another song from AC/DC "Bedlam in Belgium", ever heard of that ? We are a country of eating and drinking, so every band that plays here can get totally wasted on a variety of fantastic beers and wines, but at least they have their bellies stuffed with quality food. Women are pretty as well here 8).

Well, here ends the tourist guide, anyway.

midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:It fits right into this group of ten:

The Who: Live At Leeds
The Allman Brothers Band: At Fillmore East
BB King: Live At The Regal
Bill Evans: Sunday at the Village Vanguard
James Brown: Live At The Apollo
Bob Dylan: Bootleg Series, Vol. 4: Live 1966, “Royal Albert Hall” Concert
Johnny Cash: At Folsom Prison
Joy Division: Les Bains Douches 1979
Nirvana: MTV Unplugged in New York
Aretha Franklin: Live at Fillmore West

That's a pretty good selection -- but where are Sam Cooke (Harlem Square Club) or the Stones (1969-73)?

With only about 10 slots, some incredible albums can't make the cut. Cooke's Harlem Square Club is wonderful, but I'm not sure it would knock any of the above mentioned titles out, but maybe it would. The only live Stones album worthy of making an "official" list would be Ya-Ya's, and yet, not only is it arguably not better than those ten titles (including Jerry Lee Lewis' Live at the Star-Club, Hamburg), but the Stones' live output is better represented by underground titles such as 1969's "Liver Than You'll Ever Be" and 1973's "Brussels Affair."

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:01 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:Traipsing through the archives, it seems January 1962 was being considered for a Presley tour!


Image

Elvis at the NASA Exhibit in Seattle, September 1962
Photo: James W. Young


Image

Milwaukee Sentinel - August 6, 1961


The mind reels with the many set list possibilities since his last gig, in Hawaii on March 25, 1961.

These are just some of the great songs issued since that Hawaii show, into December:

Flaming Star
Summer Kisses, Winter Tears
I Feel So Bad
Wild In The Country
There's Always Me
Give Me The Right
In Your Arms
Put The Blame On Me
His Latest Flame
Little Sister
Can't Help Falling In Love
Hawaiian Wedding Song


Oh, what a thrill a 1962 tour might have been!

It is already established in the literature that a Sep-Oct 1962 U.S. tour fell apart because management couldn't get RCA to underwrite it, and FECC offered the recently-discovered rumours of a Feb 1963 benefit gig:

Feb 1963 Benefit Show --> Very Mysterious!
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=54847

But a January 1962 tour is new to these eyes.

Anyone know more?




I emailed Ray Walker of the Jordanaires about the 1962 tour that never happened.
He said there was no tours in 1962 until 1969 and only charity connected shows.

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:20 pm

Suspicious Minds wrote:I emailed Ray Walker of the Jordanaires about the 1962 tour that never happened.
He said there was no tours in 1962 until 1969 and only charity connected shows.

Um, Walker not saying anything that we don't already know.

Did he make any direct comment about the focus of this topic?

Even with what you posted here, one may note that Ray is mistaken: Elvis did not undertake a tour in the later years until September 1970.

Re: Jan 1962 Tour --> Quite Mysterious !

Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:55 am

Let's not forget the excellent live albums in this wonderful era

Henrix @ Monterey (and the Band of Gypsies 69/70)
The V.U. live in '69 (R.Q. tapes)
Otis Redding in Europe
the Doors at the Aquarium & MSG
etc.

ekenee wrote:
minkahed wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
midnightx wrote:
Juan Luis wrote:
midnightx wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Two more for the list:

Jerry Lee Lewis - Live at the Star-Club, Hamburg (1964)

Now, that is one bad-ass album.

Yes. I read it is considered one of the best live albums of all time from CD REVIEW magazine. Great mag imo that went out of business.

It is definitely in the top ten.

What are the other 9?

It fits right into this group of ten:

The Who: Live At Leeds
The Allman Brothers Band: At Fillmore East
BB King: Live At The Regal
Bill Evans: Sunday at the Village Vanguard
James Brown: Live At The Apollo
Bob Dylan: Bootleg Series, Vol. 4: Live 1966, “Royal Albert Hall” Concert
Johnny Cash: At Folsom Prison
Joy Division: Les Bains Douches 1979
Nirvana: MTV Unplugged in New York
Aretha Franklin: Live at Fillmore West


Midnightx, your musical tastes are eclectic, to say the least ...

By "eclectic" do you mean bad?