elvisjock wrote:The crowd shots in EIC were edited in (poorly) at random.
They don't necessarily sync with what we see Elvis doing on screen at that moment.
How true !
When he says "Are You Lonesome Tonight - I am & I was" there follows either enthusiastic applause, or a few seconds of embarrassed silence.
It depends on which version you are watching & how it was edited !
But it alters things dramatically !
Yeah!
And in THIS IS ELVIS. The cinema version has "if you think I'm nervous, you're right!" Followed by a lovely smile and great big cheer.
In the TV expanded edition, he says it, then we get a very serious and baffled looking crowd shot, followed by that terrible version of Love Me with all the microphone trouble!
Editing can utterly change the context of something!
Among the many sad news in his last year of life, this thread gives me a great joy. His life was painful but his fans loved him tenderly. Thanks Doc for giving me back faith in humanity.
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Set in your old ways
Changes are a-comin'
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rickeap wrote:Look at the EIC footage. Apart from one grumpy looking bloke, people seem to enjoy the show.
Yes, but there were also plenty of shots of the audience where loads of people are sitting in their chairs with blank stares. It isn't as if the crowd in Omaha was holding up lighters, swaying to the music. Clearly the vast majority of people enjoyed seeing Elvis (I personally know someone whose father loved the Omaha performance he attended), but to act as if just being in the same building was enough to overlook any deficiencies in the show is misguided.
I do recall one shot, where Elvis is gyrating or moving or doing something during one song, i can't remember it exactly, but it's a side on shot and in the back ground you can see two people just crack up laughing, putting her head in her lap, obviously thinking Elvis is a joke. The crowd in general in EIC is quite embarassing, it makes the whole thing a lot worse, everybody is just sitting there, all a bit odd looking people, with grannies clapping along. etc. In contrast with the crowds you see in EOT, which althought just as diverse, you can actually see an atmosphere, a general excitement. The crowd in EIC look bored as hell.
The crowd shots in EIC were edited in (poorly) at random. They don't necessarily sync with what we see Elvis doing on screen at that moment.
Yeah true, but this isn't edited as it's just one shot, with Elvis in the foreground on stage, and the fans in the background, like I said it's a side on shot across the stage, and as Elvis is attempting some sort of dance like movement during one song, my attention always draws to the two crowd members, and it just makes me sad. People in the audience literally laughing at him.
javierTCB wrote:Among the many sad news in his last year of life, this thread gives me a great joy. His life was painful but his fans loved him tenderly. Thanks Doc for giving me back faith in humanity.
Bless your heart, Javier!
midnightx wrote:hollandgroupc2008, your objective, honest analysis is appreciated.
stupot wrote:The same can't be said about your topic hijacking, attention seeking posts.
hollandgroupc2008 wrote:Are you talking to me or midnightx?
He's referring to midnightx.
However, as I've twice stated, all manner of reply and opinion is appreciated here. stupot, if FECC becomes another "Elvis was always perfect" forum, it will cease to be anything special.
Thanks again, everyone, for the intense interest in what I thought would be a modest topic of discussion.
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I've just noticed this thread and find it very interesting AND with all the bad press Elvis 76/77 gets these days I must say I'm slightly amazed that Elvis was still the top draw in 1977, but as a fan of Elvis and MANY other artists, to me seeing Elvis live would, in my own opinion, no doubt top every other artist that I've seen, jsut because it was eLVis, if anyone can understand that!.
Cool thread Doc, thanks!
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Liverbobs wrote:I've just noticed this thread and find it very interesting AND with all the bad press Elvis 76/77 gets these days I must say I'm slightly amazed that Elvis was still the top draw in 1977, but as a fan of Elvis and MANY other artists, to me seeing Elvis live would, in my own opinion, no doubt top every other artist that I've seen, jsut because it was eLVis, if anyone can understand that!.
Cool thread Doc, thanks!
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Simon1, very well put INDEED!
Yeah...if only once...
But neither do I understand points of view like that girl in Elvis In Concert who says she would never pay to see any other performer! That's some absurd loyalty. Of course I want to see the performers whose music I really like/love LIVE if given the chance!
Yeah, that is another topic, really...
Let's get a deluxe Blu-Ray with "Elvis On Tour", too! A release that has unrelased footage, not merely the original movie minus Johnny B!!
kajsa89 wrote:...But neither do I understand points of view like that girl in Elvis In Concert who says she would never pay to see any other performer! That's some absurd loyalty.
She was probably making the point that, although she wasn't normally the type to ever attend live concerts, she made an exception for Elvis !
I reckon there may be a few like her........................
Colin B Judge a man not by his answers, but by his questions - Voltaire
kajsa89 wrote:Simon1, very well put INDEED!
Yeah...if only once...
But neither do I understand points of view like that girl in Elvis In Concert who says she would never pay to see any other performer! That's some absurd loyalty. Of course I want to see the performers whose music I really like/love LIVE if given the chance!
Yeah, that is another topic, really...
I'm not the type of person to go to live concerts. In fact I've never been in my life and have hd no urge to. Yet for Elvis, I'd kill to have seen him. I can understand what the girl means, it's not absurd loyalty, it's more that she's probably never felt compelled to go see anybody else.
elvisjock wrote:The crowd shots in EIC were edited in (poorly) at random.
They don't necessarily sync with what we see Elvis doing on screen at that moment.
Yeah true, but this isn't edited as it's just one shot, with Elvis in the foreground on stage, and the fans in the background, like I said it's a side on shot across the stage, and as Elvis is attempting some sort of dance like movement during one song, my attention always draws to the two crowd members, and it just makes me sad.
People in the audience literally laughing at him.
Are you sure he wasn't doing something funny & amusing to spark their laughter ?
He did introduce lots of little things like that.................
Colin B Judge a man not by his answers, but by his questions - Voltaire
elvisjock wrote:The crowd shots in EIC were edited in (poorly) at random.
They don't necessarily sync with what we see Elvis doing on screen at that moment.
Yeah true, but this isn't edited as it's just one shot, with Elvis in the foreground on stage, and the fans in the background, like I said it's a side on shot across the stage, and as Elvis is attempting some sort of dance like movement during one song, my attention always draws to the two crowd members, and it just makes me sad.
People in the audience literally laughing at him.
Are you sure he wasn't doing something funny & amusing to spark their laughter ?
He did introduce lots of little things like that.................
No, I'll find a video of it on youtube as nobody seems to believe me.
elvisjock wrote:The crowd shots in EIC were edited in (poorly) at random.
They don't necessarily sync with what we see Elvis doing on screen at that moment.
Yeah true, but this isn't edited as it's just one shot, with Elvis in the foreground on stage, and the fans in the background, like I said it's a side on shot across the stage, and as Elvis is attempting some sort of dance like movement during one song, my attention always draws to the two crowd members, and it just makes me sad.
People in the audience literally laughing at him.
Are you sure he wasn't doing something funny & amusing to spark their laughter ?
He did introduce lots of little things like that.................
No, I'll find a video of it on youtube as nobody seems to believe me.
I Think it's You Gave Me A Mountain when he throws his arms around, but I think it's a poor insert shot from somewhere else in the show!
hollandgroupc2008 wrote:I do recall one shot, where Elvis is gyrating or moving or doing something during one song, i can't remember it exactly, but it's a side on shot and in the back ground you can see two people just crack up laughing, putting her head in her lap, obviously thinking Elvis is a joke ...
People in the audience literally laughing at him.
Perhaps you're recalling a bit of silly stage business during "C.C. Rider," where Elvis kind of does a "shimmy" with his left leg, and then his right, just before closing out the song. He did it every night.
They are not laughing AT Elvis, they are sharing in the humour of the moment.
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To get back on topic it amazes me that Elvis was #1 in 1977, but as others have said it was the first chance many people had to see Elvis and his name and the nostalgia were enough to fill the seats.
It would be interesting to see lists from 1970, 1971,1972,1973,1974,1975 and 1976.
midnightx wrote:hollandgroupc2008, your objective, honest analysis is appreciated.
The same can't be said about your topic hijacking, attention seeking posts.
Hijacking? Simply because as an enthusiastic music fan I would have preferred to have seen the dynamic Ronnie Van Zant/Steve Gaines line-up of Skynyrd before the October '77 plane crash or The Eagles performing at a peak level or ELP virtuoso displays of musicianship over a substandard Elvis show from '77? The whole point of this thread is looking at Elvis' impressive box office draw from '77 on a list that contained some other highly acclaimed acts from the period. It is only natural to look at the list and compare and contrast various elements involved. So unless everyone fawns over how great Elvis was, even in 1977, they aren't welcome to contribute to the conversation? Seriously, do any of you guys like analyzing music and putting Elvis' work in the context of the times? Elvis was a legend and still filling arenas, but The Eagles were substantially more popular in 1977 in terms of mainstream appeal as they played stadiums and greatly out-sold Elvis in terms of current record releases. That isn't a knock on Elvis. To accuse me of hijacking a thread is baseless and predicated on an agenda and inspired by propaganda.
It's during Jailhouse Rock, It's the guy in blue in the background, at 7.36 he puts its hands together n appears to be laughing/cringing then turns to the people next to him, then again when the shot cuts back to that position at 7.50 you see him rub his hands together and look downwards then put his head in his hands. In both cases, to me, it's alwaysd looked like he and whoever he is with are basically laughing at Elvis stumbling and gyrating his way through Jailhouse Rock. This isn't the clearest video quality, but I've seen it in better and that's what it looks like to me.
Sorry if this is off topic, but I thought I'd show it.
rickeap wrote:Look at the EIC footage. Apart from one grumpy looking bloke, people seem to enjoy the show.
Yes, but there were also plenty of shots of the audience where loads of people are sitting in their chairs with blank stares. It isn't as if the crowd in Omaha was holding up lighters, swaying to the music. Clearly the vast majority of people enjoyed seeing Elvis (I personally know someone whose father loved the Omaha performance he attended), but to act as if just being in the same building was enough to overlook any deficiencies in the show is misguided.
I do recall one shot, where Elvis is gyrating or moving or doing something during one song, i can't remember it exactly, but it's a side on shot and in the back ground you can see two people just crack up laughing, putting her head in her lap, obviously thinking Elvis is a joke. The crowd in general in EIC is quite embarassing, it makes the whole thing a lot worse, everybody is just sitting there, all a bit odd looking people, with grannies clapping along. etc. In contrast with the crowds you see in EOT, which althought just as diverse, you can actually see an atmosphere, a general excitement. The crowd in EIC look bored as hell.
The crowd shots in EIC were edited in (poorly) at random. They don't necessarily sync with what we see Elvis doing on screen at that moment.
Yeah true, but this isn't edited as it's just one shot, with Elvis in the foreground on stage, and the fans in the background, like I said it's a side on shot across the stage, and as Elvis is attempting some sort of dance like movement during one song, my attention always draws to the two crowd members, and it just makes me sad. People in the audience literally laughing at him.
Your point is well taken. If you watch the footage, there are various shots of the crowd visible from stage cameras, unedited, during performances. Sometimes they are entralled (like the scarf throwing sequences) and other times there are shots of the grannies clapping along while the rest of the crowd sits with blank stares on their faces (If You Love Me contains such moments). There is no doubt that the audience shots and reaction from TTWII and EOT present a more attractive scenario.
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Sorry for continuing the off-topic, but for me, the shows I would choose on that list are the Isleys/P-Funk/Rufus/Bootsy/Bros. Johnson/Rose Royce and War/Crusaders/Roy Ayers shows. But hey, I am a big fan of black music, especially compared to the amount of stadium dinosaur classic rot on that list. Ugh.
It is precisely because I love Elvis so much that I wouldn't have wanted to see him in the condition he was in that year. But hey, if I was given the choice right now, maybe I would choose Elvis after all. Who knows.
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hollandgroupc2008 wrote:It's during Jailhouse Rock, It's the guy in blue in the background, at 7.36 he puts its hands together n appears to be laughing/cringing then turns to the people next to him, then again when the shot cuts back to that position at 7.50 you see him rub his hands together and look downwards then put his head in his hands.
First of all, it's a woman, not a man.
Elvis Presley - "Jailhouse Rock" (CBS-TV, June 21, 1977)
It appears to be a fan totally enraptured with Elvis singing, right in front of them.
And it makes sense -- probably for the first time in their life they are seeing their hero in person.
. Dr. John Carpenter, M.D. Stop, look and listen, baby <<--->> that's my philosophy!
Watch their movements/reactions and the way he/she turns to the people next to them. To me, it looks like he/she is laughing/cringing at Elvis. It's just the impression I've always got from that bit of footage. You may see it differently.
It's during Jailhouse Rock, It's the guy in blue in the background, at 7.36 he puts its hands together n appears to be laughing/cringing then turns to the people next to him, then again when the shot cuts back to that position at 7.50 you see him rub his hands together and look downwards then put his head in his hands. In both cases, to me, it's alwaysd looked like he and whoever he is with are basically laughing at Elvis stumbling and gyrating his way through Jailhouse Rock. This isn't the clearest video quality, but I've seen it in better and that's what it looks like to me.
Sorry if this is off topic, but I thought I'd show it.
Thanks for this clip.. it's a tricky one.
I noticed it too when I first saw it.
I honestly think the guy or woman enjoys Elvis' Jailhouse Rock version and especially the ending..!
hollandgroupc2008 wrote:Watch their movements/reactions and the way he/she turns to the people next to them. To me, it looks like he/she is laughing/cringing at Elvis. It's just the impression I've always got from that bit of footage. You may see it differently.
The Doc is right, it's a totally enraptured woman who can't believe she is seeing Elvis Presley in the flesh doing perhaps one of her favorite songs!
By the way, kajsa89 and 3577 thank you for the nice comments.
Cheers,
Simon
'The image is one thing, the human being another' - Elvis Presley 1972