Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:12 pm

a long long time ago we discussed that on the sinatra forum. An studious posted this:

"edited because the original Rat Pack forum is closed and I can't find the proper link :| "


the conclusion then was that the pianist was the house pianist of the hotel orchestra.

By the way, Sinatra didn't speak with Mitch Miller since he (sinatra) sent him to h*ll in 1952. He hated him.
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Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:18 pm

frus75 wrote:a long long time ago we discussed that on the sinatra forum.

That post actually post-dates this topic. The information is transposed from here.

It's a shame that forum returned nothing of value.

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:33 pm

I used to have contact info for Del Puschert, the sax player from Maryland that was part of the Union Band in Miami when they played at the Olympia in 56. Its a stretch, but if they're union guys he might be able to recognize some of them. If I can can find it at home I'll give him another call and see if there's an email addres I can send him the pic.

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:33 pm

JamesVRoy wrote:I used to have an contact info for Del Puschert, the sax player from Maryland that was part of the Union Band in Miami when they played at the Olympia in 56. Its a stretch, but if they're union guys he might be able to recognize some of them. If I can can find it at home I'll give him another call and see if there's an email addres I can send him the pic.

That would be MUCH appreciated!

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Fri Dec 19, 2008 12:43 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
frus75 wrote:a long long time ago we discussed that on the sinatra forum.

That post actually post-dates this topic. The information is transposed from here.

It's a shame that forum returned nothing of value.


It was discussed back in 2003 on a Rat Pack forum. I remember vividly because my dad was still alive and we both guessed and discussed who was the pianist.

In 2003, my special friend Jerry M. ended telling that his dad was there in the same hotel when the program was shot. He was a Sinatra expert, and dear friend of Charles Granata.

He didn't see the actual recording, but catched a glimpse of Elvis himself! And he remember that the in-house Miami hotel orchestra was on hand and that it could be one of them, because the program was shot in Florida and Nelson flew part of his usual orchestra but picked some musicians from the hotel to complete the line-up but not a pianist because Bill Miller was already there.

When asked (by me on that forum) then why Bill Miller wasn't used he elaborated that Elvis brought Scotty and DJ and the rest where picked from the hotel orchestra, that Bill Miller was Sinatra personal pianist and only played on the duets and on the sinatra solo tracks and he wasn't too keen on playing on those "inferior teenager novelties" (that phrase stuck with me!)

Of course it was that man opinion but I thought it would be some help to share it. I'll try to contact Jerry.

BTW, Sorry by mistake I quoted the new Sinatrafamily forum discussion, I see now that the other forum (closed in 2005) is no longer available...

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Fri Dec 19, 2008 3:07 am

I called and left a message.

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:14 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:The search is still ongoing, for those who care.

For example, this June 1960 document is interesting, but does not shed light on Elvis' support band.

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Any help here will be appreciated.


Here are the instruments played by some of those listed on the document provided by Doc:

Tommy Pederson,trombone
Shorty Sherock, trumpet
Joe Comfort, bass
Norm Jeffries(Norman J. Szukala), drums
Bill Miller, piano
Harry Klee,sax & flute
Maurie Stein, reeds

As we seem to have ruled out both Joe Comfort and Bill Miller, the search continues. I have other sources to tap.

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:42 am

frus75 wrote:In 2003, my special friend Jerry M. ended telling that his dad was there in the same hotel when the program was shot. He was a Sinatra expert, and dear friend of Charles Granata.

He didn't see the actual recording, but catched a glimpse of Elvis himself! And he remember that the in-house Miami hotel orchestra was on hand and that it could be one of them, because the program was shot in Florida and Nelson flew part of his usual orchestra but picked some musicians from the hotel to complete the line-up but not a pianist because Bill Miller was already there.

When asked (by me on that forum) then why Bill Miller wasn't used he elaborated that Elvis brought Scotty and DJ and the rest where picked from the hotel orchestra, that Bill Miller was Sinatra personal pianist and only played on the duets and on the sinatra solo tracks and he wasn't too keen on playing on those "inferior teenager novelties" (that phrase stuck with me!)

Great information! Thank you.


mjsantafe wrote:Here are the instruments played by some of those listed on the document provided by Doc ...

Unfortunately, all those guys are from Sinatra's crew (Nelson Riddle Orchestra). I look forward to anything your resources may come up with! Thanks to you as well.

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:13 pm

Is this of any interest:

"Pianist/ arranger/ composer Anselmo Sacasas (b 23 Nov. '12, Manzanillo, Oriente province, Cuba).

Anselmo Sacasas was a Cuban pianist who, in 1937 along with vocalist Miguelito Valdés, founded the Casino de la Playa Orchestra which became one of Cuba's most highly regarded bands.

Despite the band's success, Sacasas was unhappy during his three year association with it. The band was organized as a cooperative and Sacasas felt that he was poorly compensated for the amount of time and work he devoted to it. In 1940, he and Valdés left the band and came to the United States. Valdés accepted a position with the Xavier Cugat band and eventually went on to a very successful solo career.

Sacasas formed a new band which opened at the Colony Club in Chicago. He continued to lead Latin style bands throughout the '40s and '50s. In 1959 he became the music director at the Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami and, in 1963, the music director at the Club Tropicoro at the El San Juan Hotel & Casino in Puerto Rico. He retired from the music business in 1976."

It's maybe something of a long shot ...

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:31 pm

Here's a pic of the gentleman.

Other websites indicate he took up the Miami job from 1953.
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Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:26 pm

George Smith wrote:Is this of any interest:

"Pianist/ arranger/ composer Anselmo Sacasas (b 23 Nov. '12, Manzanillo, Oriente province, Cuba).

Anselmo Sacasas was a Cuban pianist who, in 1937 along with vocalist Miguelito Valdés, founded the Casino de la Playa Orchestra which became one of Cuba's most highly regarded bands.

Despite the band's success, Sacasas was unhappy during his three year association with it. The band was organized as a cooperative and Sacasas felt that he was poorly compensated for the amount of time and work he devoted to it. In 1940, he and Valdés left the band and came to the United States. Valdés accepted a position with the Xavier Cugat band and eventually went on to a very successful solo career.

Sacasas formed a new band which opened at the Colony Club in Chicago. He continued to lead Latin style bands throughout the '40s and '50s. In 1959 he became the music director at the Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami and, in 1963, the music director at the Club Tropicoro at the El San Juan Hotel & Casino in Puerto Rico. He retired from the music business in 1976."

It's maybe something of a long shot ...


Great find George! Very interesting.

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:29 pm

It looks like the same guy to me if you compare the pics!

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sat Dec 20, 2008 2:56 am

George Smith wrote:Here's a pic of the gentleman.

Other websites indicate he took up the Miami job from 1953.

George, I am almost afraid to say you've cracked the mystery -- but you may just have done so!

Let's compare as best we can ->

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The body type and hairline are a match!

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:13 am

Hot damn.
This, gentlemen, is why FECC is in a class by itself.
Well done!

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sat Dec 20, 2008 12:53 pm

George Smith wrote:Here's a pic of the gentleman.

Other websites indicate he took up the Miami job from 1953.


Here you go George. Looks like you're one of FECC's Detectives now!

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Thanks for solving the case.
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Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:45 pm

Hate to spoil the party, but that's not Anselmo Sarcasas. There may be a little similarity, but that's not him. Although I'm travelling away from home at the moment, I'll have a rummage round to see if I've got his widow's contact details handy--I'm sure I spotted these in my briefcase just the other day.

I'll give her a call later and post 'her reply' backing up my thoughts exactly. That will put an end to all the doubts I have raised so we can all relax, safe in the knowledge of who's the real authority round here.

Sound familiar?

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sat Dec 20, 2008 7:38 pm

Mike S wrote:Hate to spoil the party, but that's not Anselmo Sarcasas.

Dear Mike

Thanks for your contribution: I'm happy to acknowledge that I'm not an authority on Anselmo Sacasas (note that my spelling of his surname is different to yours) so I look forward to receiving your confirmation that this is not the right guy.

As I said, it was a bit of a long shot.

My information came from this website:

http://library.fiu.edu/latinpop/discogr ... oto_S.html

Do you have any idea who the pianist in the picture really is?

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sat Dec 20, 2008 9:13 pm

George Smith wrote:
Mike S wrote:Hate to spoil the party, but that's not Anselmo Sarcasas.

Dear Mike

Thanks for your contribution: I'm happy to acknowledge that I'm not an authority on Anselmo Sacasas (note that my spelling of his surname is different to yours) so I look forward to receiving your confirmation that this is not the right guy.

As I said, it was a bit of a long shot.

My information came from this website:

http://library.fiu.edu/latinpop/discogr ... oto_S.html

Do you have any idea who the pianist in the picture really is?


George, he always says that. Nice work. The resemblance is very strong but the screen capture is god awful quality. Hopefully someone can grab another frame that might be clearer.

here's some more
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Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:44 pm

This might be a bit of an improvement...

-Kevin
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Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sat Dec 20, 2008 10:51 pm

And here's a frame that's been over-sharpened to highlight some detail...

-Kevin
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Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sat Dec 20, 2008 11:28 pm

As we are appraching the silly season where newspapers are desperate for copy --how about someone in the area contact the Miami newspaper and convince them to run a story?

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:10 am

JamesVRoy wrote:George, he always says that. Nice work.

Ah, I see. Sorry, that one flew over my head a bit.

It would be nice to think we're one third of the way there.

Thank you, Doc, for your original post: it's good to find answers but it's more important to keep asking the questions.

Now, who are those bass players ...

Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:11 am

Yes that's him Officer!!

Elvis and band Timex 1960 sharpened_2.jpg
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Re: Sinatra Show - March 1960 -> Name The Band!

Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:19 am

Certainly looks like him, doesn't it!