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Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:12 pm

Ciscoking wrote:The search goes on...my tape is NOT Monroe, March 7, 1974 ES..the key is the FS before Trying To get To You..it could now be Charlotte, March 9, 1974 ES as Monroe can be ruled out. Monroe is new..btw..too.


is there a tape of the real monroe show?
i thought the circulating one was the same as live from roanoke 74 03 10?

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:40 pm

Yes. ..Monroe is there and ages ago
Roanoke...Was wrongly dated as being
Monroe. . But it was amended also years
Ago...

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Fri Dec 30, 2016 2:43 pm

Ciscoking wrote:Yes. ..Monroe is there and ages ago
Roanoke...Was wrongly dated as being
Monroe. . But it was amended also years
Ago...


?

you mean monroe was mislabeled and later corrected to march 10 roanoke but there is also a real march 7 monroe tape?
if so i would really like to hear it



http://www.elvisoncd.com/EIGENECD_a-z/i ... oanoke.htm

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Fri Dec 30, 2016 10:26 pm

Yes...but its getting difficult now...the tape I got labelled as Monroe, March 7, 1974 ES is probably Monroe, March 8, 1974 ES ..there seems to be the incident with the little girl who got the necklace from Elvis. He protects her from fans while doing Cant Help Falling Love..the makes my unknown tape either Monroe, March 7 ES or Charlotte, March 9, 1974 ES....man....thats not easy..

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:28 pm

Mr. Songman wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Anyone know more about the Monroe, March 7, 1974 AS?

After all, if someone lists out a "Monroe, March 7, 1974 ES," there must also be one from the afternoon.




I can only find information on an ES for the 7th, and a show for the 8th



Hmm, then maybe we shouldn't be referring to the Monroe performance as "Monroe, March 7, 1974 ES."

Only one gig means it should properly read "Monroe, March 7, 1974" so there is no confusion.

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:48 am

What I have now is Monroe, March 7, 1974 ES. Thats a fact.What remains a mystery is this show..

2001 Theme/Vamp ~ SEE SEE RIDER / Elvis starts with ‘wells’ ~ I GOT A WOMAN / AMEN / AMEN / I GOT A WOMAN ~ LOVE ME ~ TRYIN' TO GET TO YOU-two starts ~ ALL SHOOK UP ~ STEAMROLLER BLUES ~ TEDDY BEAR / DON'T BE CRUEL ~ LOVE ME TENDER ~(Johnny B.Goode, Hound Dog missing)- FEVER ~ POLK SALAD ANNIE ~ WHY ME LORD-repeat ~ SUSPICIOUS MINDS ~ Elvis introduces the Sweet Inspirations, J.D. Sumner & the Stamps Quartet, Kathy Westmoreland, James Burton, John Wilkinson, Ronnie Tutt, Duke Bardwell, Glen (Campbell) D. Hardin, Charlie Hodge, Voice, Per-Erik ‘Pete’ Hallin, Joe Guercio & his Orchestra ~ I CAN'T STOP LOVING YOU ~ HELP ME ~ AN AMERICAN TRILOGY ~ LET ME BE THERE-repeat ~ FUNNY HOW TIME SLIPS AWAY ~ CAN'T HELP FALLING IN LOVE / Vamp

The fs before Trying To Get To uncovers it.

And this statement by Elvis should be a hint..

”All kidding aside, of all the places we’ve been to………this second one was one of the best audiences we’ve ever played"..

This means he was already there recently. You think it could be Charlotte, March 9, 1974 ES ?
He gave a pair of shows there on March 9....2:30 pm and 8:30 pm.

Or does this statement refer more to a show he gave days before..? Or both possibilities,..?

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sat Dec 31, 2016 12:58 pm

Ciscoking wrote:What I have now is Monroe, March 7, 1974 ES. Thats a fact.What remains a mystery is this show..



Another mystery is Monroe, March 7, 1974 AS. Any idea where that one might be hiding?

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:20 pm

I think the unknown show has a date closer to March 17th.

This because in Montgomery March 6th Voice isn’t introduced.

Elvis starts doing that (that we know) in Roanoke March 10th.

In this unknown show Elvis also introduces Pete Hallin separately. Elvis also does that in Memphis March 20th.
So my guess is that this show could be Murfreesboro March 19th.
What do the stories say when Elvis discovers this kid is from Sweden?

possibilities:
Greensboro 13 March
Knoxville 15 March
Memphis 16 March
Murfreesboro 19 March

I know it’s NOT Richmond March 18th (based on reliable review).

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:05 pm

The key is the fs before Trying To Get To You. No match with the known ARs. I can also rule out Murfreesboro,

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:43 pm

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Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:02 am

merry77 wrote:I think the unknown show has a date closer to March 17th.

This because in Montgomery March 6th Voice isn’t introduced.

Elvis starts doing that (that we know) in Roanoke March 10th.

In this unknown show Elvis also introduces Pete Hallin separately. Elvis also does that in Memphis March 20th.
So my guess is that this show could be Murfreesboro March 19th.
What do the stories say when Elvis discovers this kid is from Sweden?

possibilities:
Greensboro 13 March
Knoxville 15 March
Memphis 16 March
Murfreesboro 19 March

I know it’s NOT Richmond March 18th (based on reliable review).



The Richmond show was also officially released by FTD in November 2011:

Forty Eight Hours To Memphis
http://www.elvisinnorway.no/48hourstomemphis.html



Voice piano player Per-Erik "Pete" Hallin noted he was filling in for one singing member during the tour, perhaps Tim Baty:


You were on stage when Elvis performed 'How Great Thou Art'. What did you think of his performance?

I liked it a lot. But the strongest memory I have of it, was one time when I wasn't on stage, and could listen to him perform it, I remember I was very moved by it. He did the song with an incredible feeling. I was just on stage during a particular period, and that was because I was standing in for a guy in the background chorus. That was during a tour in March 1974.

http://www.elvistodayblog.com/2012/05/he-plays-one-of-most-fantastic-pianos.html





Image

Per-Erik "Pete" Hallin with Voice, Hampton, VA - Monday, March 11, 1974
Hallin to the left of Donnie Sumner, wearing glasses and a beard.

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:19 am

My understanding is that it was Sherrill who took some time off.

The one thing I really want to know is, can Pete play "Aubrey?"

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:48 am

elvisjock wrote:My understanding is that it was Sherrill who took some time off.

The one thing I really want to know is, can Pete play "Aubrey?"



Heh. Not sure how accurate he was, but Nielsen claimed he was on the tour, but maybe he left mid-way through.


In March '74 you went on the road with him. What was that like?

It was fun. People were never ready for the excitement that was generated at the Elvis concerts. Several security guards had their ribs literally broken by women rushing the stage.

http://memphismansion.com/museum/about-elvis/interviews/shaun-nielsen/




Anyway, the Hallin introduction could be a method to identifying this crucial 1974 audience recording.

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 2:12 am

Found the Sherrill mention. It's in "Elvis Day By Day,"by Guralnick and Jorgensen.

March 4, 1974: "Because of ongoing internal disputes within Voice, Sherrill Nielsen leaves the tour after this date and is replaced by the group's piano player, Per-Erik Hallin."

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 8:18 am

elvisjock wrote:Found the Sherrill mention. It's in "Elvis Day By Day,"by Guralnick and Jorgensen.

March 4, 1974: "Because of ongoing internal disputes within Voice, Sherrill Nielsen leaves the tour after this date and is replaced by the group's piano player, Per-Erik Hallin."



Heh, Sherrill makes no specific mention of this in the interview.

Member Tom Wilson notes Nielsen was photographed at the Auburn show on March 5, and Hallin is first seen up front on March 7. In any case, it must have been quite a dispute, he left after just six shows:

3-01-1974 (Tulsa)
3-02-1974 (Tulsa)
3-03-1974 AS (Houston)
3-03-1974 ES (Houston)
3-04-1974 (Monroe)
3-05-1974 (Auburn)

Only 18 more to go!

Hmm, so according to Peter and Ernst, Hallin must be a tenor. ;-)
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Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:10 pm

To avoid confusion. The tape I got from March 7, 1974 ES is in fact Roanoke, March 10 ES. Sorry for the misunderstanding. My unknown show must be one of these.

Monroe, March 4 ES
Monroe, March 7 ES
Charlotte, March 9 ES
Hampton Roads, March 11 ES
Richmond, March 12 ES
Greensboro, March 13 ES

I can rule out all others.

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 6:39 pm

Ciscoking wrote:To avoid confusion. The tape I got from March 7, 1974 ES is in fact Roanoke, March 10 ES. Sorry for the misunderstanding. My unknown show must be one of these.

Monroe, March 4 ES
Monroe, March 7 ES
Charlotte, March 9 ES
Hampton Roads, March 11 ES
Richmond, March 12 ES
Greensboro, March 13 ES

I can rule out all others.

From what I can gather looking at Rex Martin's "New Service Weekly" from this period, it cannot be Monroe - March 4, Hampton Roads - March 11 or Richmond - March 12.

In Monroe Elvis states after 'Funny How Time Slips Away' that they will be back in Monroe in a couple of days, and then states "Until then I bid you an affectionate adios" - This is not what it's like on your tape, so it cannot be this show.

News Service Weekly-142-Monroe-March_4_1974_01.jpeg

News Service Weekly-142-Monroe-March_4_1974_02.jpeg


It cannot be from Hampton Roads or Richmond either, as the following indicates that Elvis sang 'Mystery Train / Tiger Man' in Richmond, which isn't on the track listing of the tape you have, and in Hampton Roads it shows he did a reprise of the last verse on 'Why Me Lord?' and also sings 'How Great Thou Art' - does he do this on your tape? If not, it isn't this show you have.

News Service Weekly-146-7-01.jpeg

News Service Weekly-146-7-02.jpeg


This now just leaves the following concerts as possibilities as being on the tape you have:
Monroe, March 7
Charlotte, March 9 ES
Greensboro, March 13

Keith
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Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:04 pm

Keith wrote:
Ciscoking wrote:To avoid confusion. The tape I got from March 7, 1974 ES is in fact Roanoke, March 10 ES. Sorry for the misunderstanding. My unknown show must be one of these.

Monroe, March 4 ES
Monroe, March 7 ES
Charlotte, March 9 ES
Hampton Roads, March 11 ES
Richmond, March 12 ES
Greensboro, March 13 ES

I can rule out all others.

From what I can gather looking at Rex Martin's "New Service Weekly" from this period, it cannot be Monroe - March 4, Hampton Roads - March 11 or Richmond - March 12.

In Monroe Elvis states after 'Funny How Time Slips Away' that they will be back in Monroe in a couple of days, and then states "Until then I bid you an affectionate adios" - This is not what it's like on your tape, so it cannot be this show.

News Service Weekly-142-Monroe-March_4_1974_01.jpeg

News Service Weekly-142-Monroe-March_4_1974_02.jpeg


It cannot be from Hampton Roads or Richmond either, as the following indicates that Elvis sang 'Mystery Train / Tiger Man' in Richmond, which isn't on the track listing of the tape you have, and in Hampton Roads it shows he did a reprise of the last verse on 'Why Me Lord?' and also sings 'How Great Thou Art' - does he do this on your tape? If not, it isn't this show you have.

News Service Weekly-146-7-01.jpeg

News Service Weekly-146-7-02.jpeg


This now just leaves the following concerts as possibilities as being on the tape you have:
Monroe, March 7
Charlotte, March 9 ES
Greensboro, March 13

Keith


Thanks, mate. That indeed narrows it down to these 3 concerts. Before Trying To Get To You he says in a joking way something like singing the song on a stool...then we have the fs of the song. Keith you probably have reviews of these 3 shows, too..?

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:19 pm

Ciscoking wrote:Thanks, mate. That indeed narrows it down to these 3 concerts. Before Trying To Get To You he says in a joking way something like singing the song on a stool...then we have the fs of the song. Keith you probably have reviews of these 3 shows, too..?

No, sorry, there is nothing for Monroe on March 7 or Greensboro on March 13, and there is only a review of the afternoon show at Charlotte on March 9. I have posted everything of relevance from Rex's "News Service Weekly" in relation to this tour.

Keith

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:53 pm

Please read this review for Greensboro, March 13, 1974 ES and then listen to what Elvis says before and after Funny How Time Slips Away.

Of interest is the story about this little boy and what Elvis says when he bids the audience goodbye

http://www.elvisconcerts.com/newspapers/press380.htm

Let Me Be There

Funny How Time Slips Away

I think I got it.

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:04 pm

Keith..thank you for the help provided..you led me to the right track.

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:08 pm

Ciscoking wrote:Please read this review for Greensboro, March 13, 1974 ES and then listen to what Elvis says before and after Funny How Time Slips Away.

Of interest is the story about this little boy and what Elvis says when he bids the audience goodbye

http://www.elvisconcerts.com/newspapers/press380.htm

Let Me Be There

Funny How Time Slips Away

I think I got it.

Yes, this does appear to be the same show that you have, although the reviewer incorrectly states that Elvis sang 'Heartbreak Hotel', which he doesn't on your tape.

As a sidenote, here is the track listing of the Greensboro concert I have in my files, from Shaun Livesey (there's a name from the past!) from thirty years ago:
Also Sprach Zarathustra
See See Rider
I Got A Woman / Amen
Love Me
Trying To Get To You
All Shook Up
Love Me Tender
Hound Dog
Fever
Heartbreak Hotel
Polk Salad Annie
Why Me Lord?
Suspicious Minds
Introductions
I Can't Stop Loving You
Help Me
An American Trilogy
Let Me Be There
Funny How Time Slips Away
Can't Help Falling In Love

Keith

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:18 pm

Keith wrote:
Ciscoking wrote:Please read this review for Greensboro, March 13, 1974 ES and then listen to what Elvis says before and after Funny How Time Slips Away.

Of interest is the story about this little boy and what Elvis says when he bids the audience goodbye

http://www.elvisconcerts.com/newspapers/press380.htm

Let Me Be There

Funny How Time Slips Away

I think I got it.

Yes, this does appear to be the same show that you have, although the reviewer incorrectly states that Elvis sang 'Heartbreak Hotel', which he doesn't on your tape.

As a sidenote, here is the track listing of the Greensboro concert I have in my files, from Shaun Livesey (there's a name from the past!) from thirty years ago:
Also Sprach Zarathustra
See See Rider
I Got A Woman / Amen
Love Me
Trying To Get To You
All Shook Up
Love Me Tender
Hound Dog
Fever
Heartbreak Hotel
Polk Salad Annie
Why Me Lord?
Suspicious Minds
Introductions
I Can't Stop Loving You
Help Me
An American Trilogy
Let Me Be There
Funny How Time Slips Away
Can't Help Falling In Love

Keith


Its always a pleasure for me working with true experts who do research on their own and not on google.

Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:28 pm

Here is another review for Greensboro, which I've just found in Elvis Monthly from June 1974

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Elvis_Monthly_173_Greensboro_02.jpeg


Keith
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Re: Help with audience recorded unknown show

Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:53 pm

I think this March 1974 tour was one of the best ever. Great and vibrant concerts with Elvis being in top condition and having everything under control. Extra class !