Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:07 am
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Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:34 am
Rock Legend wrote:I’m surprised to hear those words coming from you, Nigel. With your constant reporting about Elvis impersonators, ‘Elvis is alive’ debates, and interviews with loonies like Billy Miller, you are certainly not doing anything to change that perception.
Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:49 am
Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:24 am
Little Darlin wrote:I think you would be hard pushed to find any other Artist's back Catalogue looked after as well as Ernst has looked after Elvis'.
Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:49 am
Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:19 pm
Mike Eder wrote:EIN is interesting as are some of the fringe people they interview. Like it or not they are part of Elvis' legacy and I always felt the fact that there are people like these speaks strongly to how much a cultural impact Elvis really has made. They cover every aspect of Elvis so if you don't like one part of their site don't go.
Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:50 pm
Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:37 pm
Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:57 pm
You sorely miss the socio-cultural aspects of Elvis' legacy.
Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:20 pm
Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:06 pm
Swedish wrote:Little Darlin wrote:I think you would be hard pushed to find any other Artist's back Catalogue looked after as well as Ernst has looked after Elvis'.
http://www.brightmidnightarchives.com/ The Doors Music Company
http://www.daggerrecords.com/ Experience Hendrix, L.L.C.
http://www.tbolin.com/ Tommy Bolin Archives
Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:56 pm
ronnyg wrote:Greg Nolan - In no way did I "dismiss" Elvis' albums nor was I trying to talk people into dismissing Elvis' albums. Perhaps this is your interpretation. I was pointing out a fact that Elvis came from an era when popular music was a singles-based medium and people recorded individual songs for the singles market, not for long playing records. This affected the quality of his LP's since they were put together by the Colonel (the artwork and the mix) although Elvis did some of the song selection. By 1966 & 1967, the market shifted to more of an LP format, thanks in large part to such albums as Pet Sounds, Revolver and Sgt. Pepper. However, many artists from the previous era did not make that shift until later, if at all. My argument was that since Elvis' focus was on individual songs, it is not relevant to keep a lot of those same albums in print just because they were out when he was alive. The marketplace is different now than it was when these albums were out and they don't appeal to the mainstream marketplace anymore. They tend to appeal to the collector.
There is a lot of Elvis' material that should be available and I do think some of his stronger LP's should be left alone but there aren't too many out of 60 LP's. For one thing, the playing time of most of Elvis' albums was around 1/2 an hour, the sequencing of songs is random at best, and the mix on the original albums even infuriated Elvis. Look at the howls of protest when FTD used the original mixes on the early soundtrack releases.
There was no dismissal but an attempt to make a case using logic and reasoning. You don't have to agree but please don't shift the meaning of my words to try and bolster your case. I own several copies of all of Elvis' LP's whether on the original LP format or CD's so it would be hypocritical of me to "dismiss" them.
midnightx wrote:KiwiAlan wrote:Adding new compilations creates new products for retailers to order and display. It also gives scope for printed reviews of each new CD. The more product out there the more potential shelf space.It's a lot easier to sell new product rather than stagnet.
Really? Do retailers display all the new comps that BMG/Sony churns out every year? No, the new themed comps end up on the shelves with little fanfare and little-to-no marketing. Just more clutter on the shelves adding confusion to the consumer. Keep a few long-term comps on the shelves and market the catalogue and they will all move.
The Eagles' "GH Volume 1" never has been stagnet. Casual consumers/fans looking for a taste of The Eagles have that option to purchase. The music is what sells, not endless comps. You don't have:
The Eagles - GH Hits 1
The Eagles - GH Hits 2
The Eagles - Love Songs
The Eagles - A Touch Of Country
The Eagles - The Rock Songs
The Eagles - Ballads
The Eagles - A Touch Of Gold
The Eagles - Live
The Eagles - Live In America
The Eagles - An American Band
etc etc etc
Guess there are many ways to make money selling records. RCA/BMG/Sony moves Elvis product like used car sales men.
Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:59 pm
maybe that is the problem with Elvis: there is not a single Elvis, there are many Elvii.
If we want things to change for the better, me must make sure FTD Dcontinues to succeed (boycott bootleggers?!) and 'educate' our near and dear ones.
Boycotting bootleggers will probably not happen, but if i am given a chance to choose between FTD and a bootleg, I know which one I will pick.
Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:37 pm
Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:57 pm
Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:05 pm
and those albums in that format are no longer relevant, in Elvis' case, except to hardcore fans or to those who grew up at that time.
It doesn't matter if the content is heard in their original form or via a compilation to the average consumer, whom these compilations are targeted towards
Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:22 pm
Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:37 pm
ronnyg wrote:You seem to struggle with the idea of separating the material from the format in which it is enclosed. I am not talking about Elvis' music but the packaging that it came in. It (the original LP's) were valid 40 to 50 years ago but are not anymore. You have your right to disagree but I don't think that a person who heard Mean Woman Blues (for example) and liked it does not care if it is on the original LP. In fact, they may be disappointed by the less than stellar playing time on the Loving You disc, even with the bonus tracks. Put it on a compilation with higher quality tracks, a fancy cover, and slap a DSD sticker on the front and you (may) have a customer. I am not saying I necessarily agree but that is the way it is. The Elvis bins in stores are still full of copies of old CD's that haven't sold yet because they don't appeal to anyone but the hardcore fan (who already has everything several times over).
Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:51 pm
Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:56 pm
Mike S wrote:Please contact a doctor (or at the very least an optician) immediately.
Why not start by educating yourself? If you do some research you will find that bootleg titles do not merely offer simple duplication and boycotting them will only deprive you of a lot of good material which will NEVER be released by the FTD label.
From your post above, it obviously won't be an informed choice.
Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:23 am
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Fri Jul 27, 2007 6:45 am
Rock Legend wrote:Mike Eder wrote:EIN is interesting as are some of the fringe people they interview. Like it or not they are part of Elvis' legacy and I always felt the fact that there are people like these speaks strongly to how much a cultural impact Elvis really has made. They cover every aspect of Elvis so if you don't like one part of their site don't go.
That’s not the issue at all. I have praised the website on many occasions, and I consider Piers a friend. But the issue is that Nigel writes here that “Elvis continues to be largely viewed as a relic of a bygone age (tinged by overweight, white jumpsuited clones) rather than applauded for his musical catalog”.
An odd statement to say the least, coming from a person who often praises impersonators, including the “overweight, white jumpsuited clones”. If you honestly feel that the fruitcakes and the impersonators are an essential part of the Elvis legend, then there’s no reason questioning / regretting that it’s often these elements that get all the media attention – and not the music.
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