Live 1950s's non-TV video & audio footage of Elvis found

They didn't even bother to seek out the master-tapes of the 68 Special (which are in the hands of a private collector that offered to work with them) for the 68 Special box.

The 2004 DVD set is mastered from 2nd generation video tapes?

At one point a female fan has to be kindly escorted back to her seat ...

Her interview afterwards may be heard on A Golden Celebration (RCA 1984, BMG 1998) -- it's a hoot.

They didn't even bother to seek out the master-tapes of the 68 Special (which are in the hands of a private collector that offered to work with them) for the 68 Special box.

The 2004 DVD set is mastered from 2nd generation video tapes?

Indeed it is.

Indeed it is.

What is your source of information on this?

EPE claimed they used first-gen masters, didn't they? Your comment means they were being dishonest.

Concerning the 14 year old fan that came on stage in Tupelo, if you listen closely to the audio you hear Elvis saying, "hi" as she approaches the stage.

Elvis was so relaxed and polite to his fans even when they clearly broke the rules and did not stay in their seats.

Indeed it is.

What is your source of information on this?

EPE claimed they used first-gen masters, didn't they? Your comment means they were being dishonest.

Here is the story on the 68 tapes as I understand it:

In 1968, after the two broadcasts on NBC, the show master was to be turned over to Elvis and the Colonel (as in the edited post-production version, not the production bits themselves). I had heard this from the collector who has the 0-generation masters that he acquired years ago from someone who worked on the show (he wouldn't name the individual, but I'm assuming that he is referring to Steve Binder). Sometime before the collector acquired these tapes, copies were made for EPE.

The box set however, is mastered from 1991 transfers from EPE's copies, which would make the set mastered from tapes that are 2 generations away from the zero generation masters. I learned this from EPE employee a couple of years back, and it was basically confirmed in the posts monkboughtlunch made in this thread:

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28878&highlight=special+beta

I have no reason to disbelieve the collector who claims to have the 0-generation masters as he is an INCREDIBLY reliable source. He offered the tapes to EPE for this project, and they weren't willing to pay for them when they could just use their copies.

I don't remember EPE ever claiming that this set was from the master tapes, they did advertise it as "newly remastered", and I think they were content to let people assume they were from the masters.

EPE is notoriously prone to take the easy way out on projects like this, because to alot of people in control of the money in their corporate offices, Elvis is little more than a product, and the less money they spend the more they net, and this attitude is really unfortunate.

spare me please! the quality is fantastic, what do you want? EP to come out of your tv and shake your hand? most people bitch on here because they cant stand sitting thru the boring long hrs of watching Elvis do retake after retake of the production numbers, but boy when they didn't have it, all you heard was whining about why we don't get everything! gimme a break! this place sends me up the wall!

... this place sends me up the wall!

Now Kylan come down from there and behave!!!

"this place sends me up the wall!"


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Sounds like a quote from the "spiderman" movie.

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.....the discovery and imminent release of Tupelo footage by MRS is going to be one of the highlights of 2007 for those who love Elvis.
Lives were changed by Presley performances like those in Tupelo on September 26, 1956.

When asked about the existence of 50's performance footage, EPE usually says [something like]
"Oh, the only pro-shot stuff was done by newsreel cameramen who only shot small segments for the news bulletins".

It always seemed odd to me that they would go to all the effort & trouble of setting up the equipment to just film a few seconds.

It seems that at the Tupelo shows they did, indeed, film quite a bit of the proceedings.

So, the next question must be:

"What other Elvis stuff still exists out there ?"

I think we should be told !

It's surprising that the unused newsreel footage was kept and has survived all these years. Maybe this was just a one-off incident where 'outtakes' were preserved or there could be much more still out there. It would be interesting to know the history of the Tupelo film since 1956 then we could judge how likely it is that similar material might still exist. But it does raise hopes!!

Indeed it is.

What is your source of information on this?

EPE claimed they used first-gen masters, didn't they? Your comment means they were being dishonest.

first generation 3/4 format..I* guess technical..it turns out it was another superior format that was recorded...and probably a hassle to get the few players of that format in existance on Earth.. Cannot recall how the mentioned format iswas named.

spare me please! the quality is fantastic, what do you want? EP to come out of your tv and shake your hand?

Did I say the quality was poor?

I asked whether it could be any better.

Relax.

But Kylan didn't say that you did say the quality was poor.

Hence my first sentence.

But Steve didn't say that your first sentence didn't say that Kylan didn't say that..................................... Oh, forget it................

Indeed it is.

What is your source of information on this?

EPE claimed they used first-gen masters, didn't they? Your comment means they were being dishonest.

first generation 3/4 format..I* guess technical..it turns out it was another superior format that was recorded...and probably a hassle to get the few players of that format in existance on Earth.. Cannot recall how the mentioned format iswas named.

NBC recorded everything on 2" quadruplex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_inch_Qua ... _videotape

If the 1968 video masters were not used, it's a bummer, but the 2004 DVDs are pretty gorgeous in any case.

Back on topic, is there a firm release date for the Tupelo DVD?

Hello,

The announced release date is in approximately two weeks on June 11, 2007.

Daryl

Regarding the format used, I would have thought it would
have been the One Inch Sony broadcast format used,
Not 3/4 U-matic...

Has EPE or Binder ever suggested the 3/4 inch format
was used?

By the way here is a picture of Binder re-editing the
68' footage for the Elvis memories Special hotsed by
Ann Margret in the early 80's...

Or was it late 70's?

Anyway here's the picture....


PEP

By the way here is a picture of Binder re-editing the 68' footage for the Elvis memories Special hotsed by Ann Margret in the early 80's... Or was it late 70's?

"Memories of Elvis" first aired on NBC-TV in November 1977, with a rebroadcast in August 1978.

However, Binder is on record as saying he had nothing to do with this special. He was surprised when he saw it, as they used his original 90-minute cut, which was rejected in 1968 by NBC-TV executives when they decided to only slot an hour for the December broadcast.

Thus, I wonder when your photo was taken, and for what reason.

By the way here is a picture of Binder re-editing the 68' footage for the Elvis memories Special hotsed by Ann Margret in the early 80's... Or was it late 70's?

"Memories of Elvis" first aired on NBC-TV in November 1977, with a rebroadcast in August 1978.

However, Binder is on record as saying he had nothing to do with this special. He was surprised when he saw it, as they used his original 90-minute cut, which was rejected in 1968 by NBC-TV executives when they decided to only slot an hour for the December broadcast.

Thus, I wonder when your photo was taken, and for what reason.

Doc, I did some more research on the photo, it appears the photo was taken late 1984.....

PEP

Doc, I did some more research on the photo, it appears the photo was taken late 1984 ...

Well, January 1985 was the debut broadcast of "One Night With You" on HBO, maybe the photo was taken by HBO for publicity purposes.

Doc, I did some more research on the photo, it appears the photo was taken late 1984 ...

Well, January 1985 was the debut broadcast of "One Night With You" on HBO, maybe the photo was taken by HBO for publicity purposes.

Yes, I would agree with you.

I didn't want to mention the video "One Night With You"
because as you can see in the background of the picture,
Binder is seen working with footage which was not used in
that video of course....

However maybe he was killing two birds with one stone.....
as the Complete Special did follow soon after.

Within a year or two...

Did it not...?

Or was it sooner?

PEP

However maybe he was killing two birds with one stone.....
as the Complete Special did follow soon after ... Or was it sooner?

Sooner -- Elvis '68 Comeback Special was issued on VHS by Music Media in 1984, likely in time for the Christmas shopping season.

The tape runs 76 minutes -- it is the same 90-minute broadcast edit Binder found NBC used for the "Memories Of Elvis" special in 1977:

Trouble / Guitar Man
Lawdy Miss Clawdy
Baby, What You Want Me To Do
Heartbreak Hotel / Hound Dog / All Shook Up
Can't Help Falling In Love
Jailhouse Rock
Don't Be Cruel
Love Me Tender
Are You Lonesome Tonight?
GOSPEL Sequence
That's All Right Little Mama
Tiger Man
Trying To Get To You
Baby, What You Want Me To Do
One Night
Memories
ROAD Sequence
If I Can Dream
CREDITS

What work Steve Binder did in 1984 is unclear.