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Elvis Autograph on Paul Lichter Book

Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:34 pm

Hello all...

Bought a life long collector's entire collection recently. In the lot was the Paul Lichter book, "Elvis In Hollywood." On the back cover is a written message: "To Paul...I like this one best. Elvis Presley" The scan is below...anyone think this may be legit? The book came out in 76 I believe. That's all I know about the history of the item. I bought the collection from the daughter of the collector (who died recently) and she knows nothing of its history either.

Thanks!
David

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Re: Elvis Autograph on Paul Lichter Book

Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:29 pm

davidtcb1 wrote: ...anyone think this may be legit? ..David


No - it really is not.
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Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:34 pm

I didn't think it was either, but think it's a pretty decent attempt. Ha. Thanks!

Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:22 am

are you meaning legit andonly on your copy or a legit print ??

because its on every copy of the book and knowing the history of the author many will have their doubts but that is a whole new topic

Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:36 am

Gotcha, I didn't know it was on every copy as I don't go out of my way to buy the Lichter books - there were just a couple in the collection I bought. Never considered that it would be printed on the books given the fact that it didn't look authentic to me in the beginning. So, not only was it not actually signed, the reproduction is not even of a real EP signature. Typical Lichter I agree.

Thanks
David

Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:57 am

I'm a newbie here. I've gone to his site and found some nice items. Do you think his prices are too high?

Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:03 am

I've never bought anything from him personally, so I don't really have a handle on his pricing, etc. I think it's been pretty standard thought over the years that things were over-priced. There are others guilty of that too, so again, I can't say.

Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:30 am

sharpguitar wrote:I'm a newbie here. I've gone to his site and found some nice items. Do you think his prices are too high?


Whoa, yeah. Waaay too high.

Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:26 am

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Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:10 pm

I'll bet you can buy the original for the low, low price of $99,999.99.

Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:38 am

Edge Of Reality time...

Steve_M said "With his reputation it wouldn't surprise me to see a Paul Litcher autographed book that's written by Elvis. "

It wasn't written by Elvis, but I was the winner of this item on Ebay the other week!!! For once, not a bad price...


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290064789775&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:UK:11

Re: Elvis Autograph on Paul Lichter Book

Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:35 am

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If the question is, is the autograph and what is said on the picture.
really originally written by Elvis???.....

I personally would say Yes in this case as all writing looks
consistent with Elvis' handwriting....

This particular book "Elvis In Hollywood" by Paul Lichter was released
in 1975' an from the original printing of this book it did have this
picture on the back with of course the reproduction of the writing
and autograph on the picture....

Lichters exaggeration of friendship he had with Elvis climbed
over the top more so when Elvis had passed away up until that
time Lichter certainly may have met Elvis in person and was a
huge fan, but he was no closer to Elvis than any other groupie
of the time....

Nice enough guy in person, sadly over all tho, for a lot of things
Lichter has done to more than a few fans over the years
he has established a reputation where he cannot be trusted
or be taken at his word...

PEP 8)

Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:18 am

That autograph IMO is real and whatever anyone thinks of PL is totally irrelevant.. and to ridicule this person (rightly or wrongly) is a very cheap way to add to your post #s....especially for the ones that simply go by heresay. PS. Not directed at anyone in particular.

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:21 am

JLGB wrote:That autograph IMO is real and whatever anyone thinks of PL is totally irrelevant.. and to ridicule this person (rightly or wrongly) is a very cheap way to add to your post #s....especially for the ones that simply go by heresay.


In my case JLGB I was one of Lichters victims back in 78'....
so for me its not hersay, at the same time as the years went by
one would hear more stories of him not being totally legit with
people as he could have been or should have been......

For me I did not get all that I ordered from him nor did I get the quality
I was told I would get at the time and at the time I should point out
I was spending about $1400.00 US with him which would
be like spending over $3000US today.

Communication was good with him before the money was sent
but not afterwards, the communication pretty much ended after
he had the money in hand....

Nevertheless I met him in person years later,
a couple of times in Memphis and once in Vegas.

In person like I have said he came across as a nice guy
and actually a very like able type of guy, however nice
or not he is one of those people who again has done it to himself
for creating the bad reputation he now has, yet at the same time
I'm sure he's crying all the way to the bank...

So one doesn't have to feel sorry for him.....

Nevertheless your right to a point, right or wrong this may
not be the thread to bring ridicule if some have done it with their
posts, but Lichters back ground does have some relevance in
the thread to help understand who one is dealings with to be
cautious not necessary with the original question at hand but maybe
for future items one may look at.....

PEP 8)

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:22 am

Mark Nicholson wrote:Edge Of Reality time...

Steve_M said "With his reputation it wouldn't surprise me to see a Paul Litcher autographed book that's written by Elvis. "

It wasn't written by Elvis, but I was the winner of this item on Ebay the other week!!! For once, not a bad price...


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290064789775&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:UK:11



Good price Mark. That book can go from $40-45 if there are not 2 around that really want it.

Mon Jan 29, 2007 5:38 am

Pep quote: Nevertheless I met him in person years later,
a couple of times in Memphis and once in Vegas.
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So when you met him, did you confront him and tell him that he owed you money and or merchandise?

Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:55 am

I already stated a while ago I have nothing negative to say. I have purchased quite a bit when I was completing my US collection..no problems except for a boxset and it was dealt with. But this is uncalled for people know beforehand and ask stupid questions knowing very well the answer so people like you have your day with this man. That is not right. If he jipped you a zillion years ago you should have done something about it THEN. IMO. I AM DONE HERE SO IF I DO NOT ANSWER..DON'T MEAN SQUAT!..NO MATTER HOW PROVOCATIVE ANYTHING IS DIRECTED AT ME...... :) BYE..

Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:23 am

Based solely on the merits of the handwriting-the autograph is a forgery.

Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:49 am

ekenee wrote:Pep quote: Nevertheless I met him in person years later,
a couple of times in Memphis and once in Vegas.
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So when you met him, did you confront him and tell him that he owed you money and or merchandise?


ekenee, Yes I actually did confront him, you have to
remember tho this was almost 15 years later and I met
him by accident in memphis,
so of course I was unprepared.....

But even if I would have been prepared what would
most people do for you 15 years later, not too many........

Nevertheless his response was if I had, had a problem
with him, he would be willing to correct the problem or
he would see what he could do.....

But of course I would need to come up with what
the wrong was at the time and beable to prove it
which of course would make sense if it were to go
any further.....

So, in that way ironically he really was off the hook.....

But like I said outside looking in he was a like able
sort of guy...

We all live an learn.... :wink:

PEP 8)
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Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:22 am

I actually ripped Paul off when he tried to rip me off :!: :!: :!:

Hey, Do unto others like they would do onto you, only DO IT FIRST :!: :wink:

Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:45 am

With respect to the writing.....and signature
here are some confirmed Elvis signatures
and some Elvis writing taken from the Nixon
letter...

It's a tough one, the signature does have some
merit in my opinion or just a very good forgery,
but of course I'am no professional at this....

What are your opinions???
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PEP 8)

Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:05 pm

WOW,

thanks for this PEP

Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:58 pm

But this is uncalled for people know beforehand and ask stupid questions knowing very well the answer so people like you have your day with this man.


I don't think it's fair to suggest DavidTCB1 posted his question already knowing the answer, just to people could have a go at Paul Lichter. It seemed like a genuine post to me.

I've never had dealings with Paul, but am aware of his reputation.

As for UF, and others, I've never found their advice, or opinion, to be anything other than honest and well intentioned.

To be fair, the examples PEP has posted only prove the signature to be fake, in my opinion - none of the genuine sigs he posted bear anything other than a passing resemblance to the one on the book.

Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:17 pm

davidtcb1 wrote:Typical Lichter
..........

Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:49 pm

Gotcha, I didn't know it was on every copy as I don't go out of my way to buy the Lichter books - there were just a couple in the collection I bought. Never considered that it would be printed on the books given the fact that it didn't look authentic to me in the beginning. So, not only was it not actually signed, the reproduction is not even of a real EP signature. Typical Lichter I agree.


At least lets have the full quote, otherwise it's not a fair representation. Otherwise, I could just post a partial quote from PEP's answer, perhaps
a very good forgery

but it doesn't really mean what he said.

However, "Typical Lichter" is probably a fair representation of Pauls reputation. Overcharging, poor deals and an overblown sense of his friendship with Elvis. His claim to have the last autograph of Elvis', as he had a package signed for on the 16th Aug was an especially crass piece of self publication.

I've never bought anything from him personally, so I don't really have a handle on his pricing, etc. I think it's been pretty standard thought over the years that things were over-priced. There are others guilty of that too, so again, I can't say.


I don't think David was being un-necessarily harsh on Paul there, do you? I don't think the original post was a set up, and again, I don't think UF is mistaken in his opinion of both the autograph, or the person.