Where No One Stands Alone

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[Juan Luis]

You have it minkahead

[Guest]

It is simply awesome! It beats BMG by a quarter of a mile. Fort Baxter has always been known for their high quality soundboards. Southern Style just has an even better way to make the best out of something good. Elvis sings "Where No One Stands Alone" ( Montgomery, February 16, 1977) for the first and the last time ever. This song has also been released before, but it sounds better on Coming On Strong. The result is amazing!

[Jamie]

JLGB,

how did you do this? Do you have some special software? I did a beginners sound recording course about a year ago to support the band my wife is in but unfortunately missed the last 3 to 4 classes when mastering was covered. I seem to recall something called Pro tools? I'd love to know how you go about this as presumably with time and effort it would be possible to improve some of the other flat sounding soundboards - some of the Vegas FTD's spring to mind.

cheers Jamie

[Juan Luis]

JLGB,

how did you do this? Do you have some special software? I did a beginners sound recording course about a year ago to support the band my wife is in but unfortunately missed the last 3 to 4 classes when mastering was covered. I seem to recall something called Pro tools? I'd love to know how you go about this as presumably with time and effort it would be possible to improve some of the other flat sounding soundboards - some of the Vegas FTD's spring to mind.

cheers Jamie

Adobe Audition 2.0 + plug-ins and some I cannot remember (not at home now) ,Cubase etc.. Lots of patience ... . Feel free to PM me for specifics and not bore some people. http://www.iofilm.co.uk/io/mit/001/adobe_production_studio_adobe_audition_2.0.php

[deadringer]

JLGB,

how did you do this? Do you have some special software? I did a beginners sound recording course about a year ago to support the band my wife is in but unfortunately missed the last 3 to 4 classes when mastering was covered. I seem to recall something called Pro tools? I'd love to know how you go about this as presumably with time and effort it would be possible to improve some of the other flat sounding soundboards - some of the Vegas FTD's spring to mind.

cheers Jamie

It can be corrected with some effort using various software. But it was Lene Reidels job, she was paid for this. And she created piece of s**t.

As I suggested before... if this error is not a reason to ask FTD for new pressing-replacement free of charge, then how big mastering error we need to justify the replacement? Imagine that you will buy new CD with lets say Madonna, and there will be obvious mastering error. You will live with it?

[BigredG]

It can be corrected with some effort using various software. But it was Lene Reidels job, she was paid for this. And she created piece of s**t.

She sure did with this one track. Very amateur mistake by the FTD team on a CD which is generally surprisingly good (don't tell Lex I said that )

The rest seems good sound to me

[Jamie]

thanks JLGB and deadringer. I don't have the CD yet but I would agree that if there is a obvious error in production the CD should be replaced free of charge. This happened with the So High CD and this sounds like it's just as bad judging by the critiques on here.

cheers Jamie

[BigredG]

thanks JLGB and deadringer. I don't have the CD yet but I would agree that if there is a obvious error in production the CD should be replaced free of charge. This happened with the So High CD and this sounds like it's just as bad judging by the critiques on here.

cheers Jamie

I think it is worse than So High - just my opinion.

[elbo51]

thanks JLGB and deadringer. I don't have the CD yet but I would agree that if there is a obvious error in production the CD should be replaced free of charge. This happened with the So High CD and this sounds like it's just as bad judging by the critiques on here.

cheers Jamie

I think it is worse than So High - just my opinion.

[TONY]

If we all return them to our dealer(s), something may be done perhaps.

[Juan Luis]

For the record again..did not post song (or this thread
) to go after FTD and was as surprised as everyone of the "error(s)".... and I still have not heard this particular release or the last 3 because I wait for them to pile up. More fun for me!

[thenexte]

It is simply awesome! It beats BMG by a quarter of a mile. Fort Baxter has always been known for their high quality soundboards. Southern Style just has an even better way to make the best out of something good. Elvis sings "Where No One Stands Alone" ( Montgomery, February 16, 1977) for the first and the last time ever. This song has also been released before, but it sounds better on Coming On Strong. The result is amazing!

I'm personally not a big fan of the "Southern Style" enhancement, I think this track sounds just fine (and more balanced) on the original Fort Baxter "Moody Blue and other great performances" release (which, after all, is the unprocessed source). I have not heard the new FTD release yet, but judging from what they did with "Spring Tours" (which was over-EQ'd) it's unlikely that "Unchained melody" will top the 12-year old Fort Baxter release! I'm still amazed how bad the official "Elvis in concert" disc sounds in comparison to other 1977 soundboards. This is the recording that really needs to be cleaned up and mastered from the original tapes (and not the horrible LP production master). With the 30th anniversary of these shows coming up perhaps that's something they might be considering, who knows?

[Juan Luis]

It is simply awesome! It beats BMG by a quarter of a mile. Fort Baxter has always been known for their high quality soundboards. Southern Style just has an even better way to make the best out of something good. Elvis sings "Where No One Stands Alone" ( Montgomery, February 16, 1977) for the first and the last time ever. This song has also been released before, but it sounds better on Coming On Strong. The result is amazing!

I'm personally not a big fan of the "Southern Style" enhancement, I think this track sounds just fine (and more balanced) on the original Fort Baxter "Moody Blue and other great performances" release (which, after all, is the unprocessed source). I have not heard the new FTD release yet, but judging from what they did with "Spring Tours" (which was over-EQ'd) it's unlikely that "Unchained melody" will top the 12-year old Fort Baxter release! I'm still amazed how bad the official "Elvis in concert" disc sounds in comparison to other 1977 soundboards. This is the recording that really needs to be cleaned up and mastered from the original tapes (and not the horrible LP production master). With the 30th anniversary of these shows coming up perhaps that's something they might be considering?

You got it backwards IMo with Moody Blue and great performances..that CD is processed to death..I know trying to make Reconsider Baby(sound better) took me a week but I finally did it...anyway the coming On Strong has little or no processing... FB might have BBE or something lol!!

[Ray]

thenext wrote:

I'm personally not a big fan of the "Southern Style" enhancement, I think this track sounds just fine (and more balanced) on the original Fort Baxter "Moody Blue and other great performances" release (which, after all, is the unprocessed source).

I believe you may well be incorrect, the Fort Baxter (Moody Blue & Other Great Performances) release has echo/reverb, the Southern Style (Coming On Strong) is free of echo/reverb....which is not the Fort Baxter release source reprocessed.

[Jamie]

I'm still playing this song. I dug out the original last night and was surprised how faithful the 77 version is. Completely different vocally in terms of range and feel but I certainly got the impression that this is one song Elvis often re-visited at home. I can't tell from the Montgomery version whether the Stamps were totally familiar with it as they don't start backing until near the end and Elvis has to point out the repeat ending. That got me wondering whether EP and the Stamps still had time on tour to sit around and sing gospel stuff or whether that was no longer the case. I suspect they no longer rehersed before the tour but I guess where they were i the same place for two concerts they may have shared some quality time. Any thoughts?

Once again, I am really pleasently surprised by this song. Elvis had so much soul. It leaves me feeling elated and sad at the same time. If only something or someone could have snapped him out of his depression. With a new manager and quality writers he could have goe on to produce some of the greatest gospel/blues/R&B music. Alas...Still, a great memory. Just going to play it again!.
cheers Jamie

[thenexte]

thenext wrote:

I'm personally not a big fan of the "Southern Style" enhancement, I think this track sounds just fine (and more balanced) on the original Fort Baxter "Moody Blue and other great performances" release (which, after all, is the unprocessed source).

I believe you may well be incorrect, the Fort Baxter (Moody Blue & Other Great Performances) release has echo/reverb, the Southern Style (Coming On Strong) is free of echo/reverb....which is not the Fort Baxter release source reprocessed.

Ray, I think you are right, I analyzed this again and found that these are actually two different sources. FB uses a mono source with added reverb, while SS uses a binaural source with (I would assume) no reverb added, just using the reverb inherent in the binaural source. In terms of overall tonality however I do prefer FB over SS, as the latter sounds a bit too dry to me.

[Juan Luis]

I'm still playing this song. I dug out the original last night and was surprised how faithful the 77 version is. Completely different vocally in terms of range and feel but I certainly got the impression that this is one song Elvis often re-visited at home. I can't tell from the Montgomery version whether the Stamps were totally familiar with it as they don't start backing until near the end and Elvis has to point out the repeat ending. That got me wondering whether EP and the Stamps still had time on tour to sit around and sing gospel stuff or whether that was no longer the case. I suspect they no longer rehersed before the tour but I guess where they were i the same place for two concerts they may have shared some quality time. Any thoughts?

Once again, I am really pleasently surprised by this song. Elvis had so much soul. It leaves me feeling elated and sad at the same time. If only something or someone could have snapped him out of his depression. With a new manager and quality writers he could have goe on to produce some of the greatest gospel/blues/R&B music. Alas...Still, a great memory. Just going to play it again!.
cheers Jamie

Elvis sang it in the same key..I placed Elvis original on one track and the live performance(on another) and played together and in an instance or two BOTH voices matched perfectly and beautifully . Thank you for posting out here and also to those that pmed me. Later...

[Guest]

JLGB, in light of your excellent work on this recording maybe you could perform some of your magic on another elvis at the piano recording - youll never walk alone in 1975? Just a suggestion

[Juan Luis]

JLGB, in light of your excellent work on this recording maybe you could perform some of your magic on another elvis at the piano recording - youll never walk alone in 1975? Just a suggestion

It ain't magic! I wish it were though..just relaxing and listening. heres younger ep on one side and the older on the other..very short snippet. http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=C87F7FBA0D1BFF21

[Guest]

cool