Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:16 am
Rob wrote:Oh, all right. Can it at least wait until the weekend?
Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:18 am
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You need to understand that rockinrebel, I, and others are not discussing this issue for our own sakes as far as unreleased material is concerned. The issue at hand is not what I can buy, it's what others will be able to buy in future. I care about the catalogue because I wish for Elvis to be represented well and for him to be given the respect that he deserves. This will not happen unless the product that he is famous for - his music - is presented in a respectable manner that is both aesthetically pleasing (both in packaging and content) and logically and economically organized.
The list posted above is none of these, which I personally find astonishing considering Elvis' stature. What is frustrating is that a worthy list that respects all of these requirements as well as the historic significance of his original output can be produced for Elvis, as it has been done for countless other artists. BMG has clearly chosen to make a marginal profit in the short run instead, rather than invest in Elvis as a respectable artist over the long run.
Perhaps most frustratingly of all, they have used misleading or inaccurate reasons to justify their behavior. That is the issue at hand in these kinds of discussions (although perhaps not this particular one, as rockinrebel mentioned).
Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:35 am
Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:Incidentally, thanks for compiling that information from the site. But what makes you think that "Elvis Presley" (the first album) is only the 1999 issue, plus the FTD you mention? There are scores of the 2005 Kevan Budd remaster in stores (with the restored running order with bonus tracks at the end). The same is true with "Elvis, the 2nd album in the U.S.. You do note that "Loving You" in the same series in '05 is in print.
I gather they include this as well, to say nothing of the 2006 reissue that took the same disc and dressed it up in a "Classic albums" cardboard sleeve, which also occurred with the more limited "Golden Records Volume 2" reissue in late '05 (?), which eliminated the bonus tracks but had a new "E1" -appearing disc...
They picture the old (original) "Elvis Presley" CD, for instance, but you're not every likely to see that in stores anymore, let alone the '99 one. I have, however, seen the old "On Stage" CD in stores long after the '99 expanded edition was picked apart for the last time...
I agree it's all a mess. I can see these lists are not authoritative. They link you to Amazon.com when you click it, but as with other sites, they often are not clear as to what edition you're ordering, so you sometimes have to ask to specify what version it is. Other times, such sites will be specific as to the UPC or edition.
Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:With Elvis and his active catalogue, I always wonder are they really printing up more new copies of the '92 "MSG" disc or say the "His Hand in Mine" CD of a similar vintage, or just continually tapping a huge inventory in warehouses? I tend to doubt the former. Surely they have this stuff stockpiled, am I right?
Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:08 am
Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:06 am
rockinrebel wrote:I have heard the argument for BMG having to issue ‘new’ collections, but when you consider the success of The Eagles “Greatest Hits” and Bob Marley’s “Legend” etc. you do wonder why BMG can’t sell existing titles to new buyers when other record companies don’t appear to have a problem with this.
rockinrebel wrote:Track duplication and poorly presentation in terms of sound quality and packaging, is not going to win Elvis many new fans, and neither is a catalogue that is not totally representative of his best work.
rockinrebel wrote:If BMG can sell the same 30 or 40 hits every year, then surely they could sell the better Presley albums if they were reasonably priced and given some decent promotion? I know this wont happen, but for me the best way to commemorate the 30th anniversary of Elvis’ passing would be to give him a mainstream catalogue that is truly representative of the wonderful musical legacy that he left to the world.
Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:46 am
Peter Franks wrote:This is an official Sony page, you must realize; you'd think they'd be meticulous in the details of their own product.
so large that we could still be drawing from it seventeen years later?
Sat Jan 13, 2007 8:16 am
Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:I do wonder about whether they reprint other apparent steady-sellers like MSG, and the like. It's funny to me that they wouldn't try to throw a "2006" or throw an "FBI warning" on there while (and if) they are re-printing them.
Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:56 pm
shanebrown wrote:I don't think the end of the CD era is actually that close. Downloading may be fashionable at the moment, especially with modern pop singles that are often here one day and forgotten the next. I think that CDs will remain, however, for more standard works - pop albums by well-regarded artists, easy listening, jazz, "older" pop, rock n roll, country and so on. Most of these are bought by people who are music lovers, rather than just people who buy whatever is popular at the time. I think the "music lovers" will continue to buy cds over downloads for a long long time to come. What;s more, there are thousands of albums out there are that are, literally, works of art and only work as an album.
I think you can safely say that people over, say, thirty are unlikely to change their music-buying habits significantly, no matter what they buy. They are used to buying a material album rather than a file on a computer and will continue to resist any changes to that. Buying the odd song or two on itunes is different to buying complete albums and putting them onto cd yourself. And what about live albums? They don't really work at all in mp3 form as surely there are very small gaps between each track?
Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:33 am
Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:54 am
JerryNodak wrote:My music buying habits are as Shane describes them. Unfortunately I believe midnightx is right and the end of the cd era is close at hand. If and when that day comes my music buying days will be over. I will not sit on the"Net" or wherever downloading music into some electronic gadget. I must have a physical something to hold in my hands that represents the music I'm enjoying.
I realize many/most will view this attitude as belonging to a dinosaur, but so be it.
Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:49 am
sam wrote:JerryNodak wrote:My music buying habits are as Shane describes them. Unfortunately I believe midnightx is right and the end of the cd era is close at hand. If and when that day comes my music buying days will be over. I will not sit on the"Net" or wherever downloading music into some electronic gadget. I must have a physical something to hold in my hands that represents the music I'm enjoying.
I realize many/most will view this attitude as belonging to a dinosaur, but so be it.
I'm with you Jerry!!!
Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:39 am
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:18 am
bajo wrote:As the FTD classic series moves on, I think it would have been a good idea to take CD1 of the double package and release it as a main label full fledged original album with bonus'.
As such both the collector and the casual buyer would have a chance to get an upgraded "classic" to each their own.
And I'm thinking of the studio/live albums.
CD 1 of TTWII-SE set in original TTWII album artwork. CD1 of Elvis Is Back and so on.
And not least, I would like to have the original ON STAGE album, remastered, back in print!
Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:20 am
rockinrebel wrote:I have no idea how many copies an album such as Gram Parson’s “G.P.” or Gene Clark’s “No Other” sells each year, but I think it would be safe to say that they are not flying off the shelves. However, the respective record companies must recognise that these are classic works, and therefore they remain in print.
I wish BMG could show the same sort of faith in titles such as “Elvis Is Back” and “Elvis Country”. They may not be the biggest sellers, but they are quality albums, which if purchased by a casual buyer should certainly make them want to seek out additional titles from the Elvis catalogue. Unfortunately I couldn’t say the same for some of the ‘new’ titles which are currently on offer.
Matthew wrote:Things is, they have already tried this, albeit not with alternate takes. The 1997-2000 upgrade series featured original albums with extra tracks and covered Elvis' career start to finish.
Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:10 am
Well it looks like this ship has passed with the Elvis Presley catalogue. Compilations will continue to thrown out on a yearly basis, great titles such as MSG will remain in print but in terrible form, great studio works such as Elvis Country will remain out of print and hard to find, etc. Basically, Elvis' mainstream catalogue will remain in complete disarray. Very sad for one of music's greatest talents and greatest recording artists.
Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:57 am
Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:I do agree, that it's getting to be a late hour for a turn-around. If anything, the demise of the "deep catalog" record store (i.e. a place that just sells recorded music) has hastened this cheapening process.
Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:44 pm
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:42 pm
Keith Richards, Jr. wrote:Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:I do agree, that it's getting to be a late hour for a turn-around. If anything, the demise of the "deep catalog" record store (i.e. a place that just sells recorded music) has hastened this cheapening process.
But does this really matter? I am a complete music nut, but I have to admit that I haven't bought a CD in a record store in years, I buy everything online. In most cases the record store didn't have the CDs I was looking for. My online stores have just about everything.
Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:05 pm
Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:Yes, it does matter, as the end of the "brick and morter" store has hastened the end of the actual CD.
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/v ... ight=tower
Those who congratulate themselves on the cheaper on-line prices have inadvertantly excellerated the download phenomenon- and I'm gulity of this too.
I'm sorry to hear that you never leave your house but the record store as an institution does deserve at least some lamentation as it passes, and that they no longer can really survive does not bode well for the digital platter. I have used on-line stores myself but liked that stores existed for a variety of reasons.
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