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Elvis music in a rape scene

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:22 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,240618,00.html

I'm thinking this isn't the best way to market our boy. I really hope the estate thinks twice about letting this one fly. Then again, they did authorize a movie to be filmed inside Graceland that promotes the idea that Elvis could possibly be alive. I know it was the "former owners" but I just hope this gets shot down.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:50 am

this has a good story. not just the rape scene.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:53 am

Promising drama picture with Elvis' music. This is good thing.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:56 am

dakota fanning seems as though she is smart enough to know what she was playing.

brooke shields and linda blair had similar outcries about what they portrayed/chose to portray/were directed to portray. jodie foster played a prostitute at 13, if i remember.

there are always children in adult films that probably they might not be able to see the end product of...sometimes it is necessary. if a film calls for a child to be a murder victim or raped...and it isn't directed for the enjoyment of child pornographists or people who like to hurt children, and it is simply a story element to a larger story... big frickin' deal--as long as the child is aware of their snippits and what they are performing. and i bet that in most cases they are.

i mean, what dakota is doing with the new turn in her film career is hardly the same kind of uproar that one would expect from a catastrophe from the set of the twilight zone movie (vic morrow and 2 kids got beheaded by a helicopter). nobody really got hurt in this case. it wasn't real. it was just a portrayal. and probably a ticket for dakota to get clear of kiddie-friendly cinema... dakota wants to make it big and knows she has to pick roles that may cause people to notice she isn't just a cute face--you can tell she's going for heavyweight status in hollywood.

also--12 year olds understand a whole lot of things. and kids unlike yesteryear have been forced out of self-preservation from their peers and predators alike to understand things.

as for the inevitable attention-grabbing that this film will receive and dakota's current darling status in hollywood, elvis music could be played during a slasher film's murder sequence, much less a rape, and it would only attract notice to him on his own merits...

and perhaps upgrade his status as a serious artist if the right songs were chosen--i wish it wasn't hound dog though--this is a case where i'd be relieved if leiber and stoller kept that overplayed, overmocked, nothing-new, shortcut musical selection out of the film. imagine if they played something with a little bit of depth that hasn't been made fun of a billion times.

i'd at least prefer it over the next elvis impersonators do vegas or journey to graceland movie--which doesn't help elvis, it hurts him.

he can't lose when the whole point isn't a joke on him, but it only helps him when his music is used for non-spoofy thematic effect.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:33 am

Personally, you couldn't pay me to go see a film that depicts (however "tastefully" :roll: ) the RAPE of a child. Yeah, I know..............I'm old fashioned, and I'm not sophisticated enough to understand "art", BLAHBLAHBLAH.

Or perhaps I just don't enjoy being sunk into the lowest common denominator.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:42 am

Scatter wrote:Personally, you couldn't pay me to go see a film that depicts (however "tastefully" :roll: ) the RAPE of a child. Yeah, I know..............I'm old fashioned, and I'm not sophisticated enough to understand "art", BLAHBLAHBLAH.

Or perhaps I just don't enjoy being sunk into the lowest common denominator.
OLd fashioned my frriend?? Nope.. Good DAD.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:44 am

JLGB wrote:
Scatter wrote:Personally, you couldn't pay me to go see a film that depicts (however "tastefully" :roll: ) the RAPE of a child. Yeah, I know..............I'm old fashioned, and I'm not sophisticated enough to understand "art", BLAHBLAHBLAH.

Or perhaps I just don't enjoy being sunk into the lowest common denominator.
OLd fashioned my frriend?? Nope.. Good DAD.


And I know you are as well..........thank you.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:45 am

I will see the film because of Elvis' music, how they have used it and what songs they have choosed.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:08 am

"change of habit" wrote........"I will see the film because of Elvis' music, how they have used it and what songs they have choosed."

Yes, I believe that a 4 year old boy is sodomized during the outtakes that run at the end of the film. I believe it's set to the tune of "I Got A Thing About You Baby". Do let us know if it's tastefully done, and whether Elvis can be heard clearly over the terrified screams. :P

It never ceases to amaze me.............half you people are over on the "Duck" thread, or the "EPE Impersonators" thread bleating about the damage to Elvis' image, yet you don't blink an eye when something ELVIS would have found repulsive is linked to his music.

EPE should be ashamed............but that's nothing new, is it??
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Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:21 am

Sure, licence Elvis' tunes for this movie, but don't ever release any footage of the king post 1973!

Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:38 am

From the article:
Kampmeier doesn't show the actual rape, but it's quite clear, from sources who've seen the film, that as scripted and directed, the scenes in question are going to cause as big if not bigger uproar than when Brooke Shields played a pre-pubescent prostitute in Louis Malle's classic "Atlantic City."

Err.... wasn't the Brooke Shield's film called "Pretty Baby" ?

"Atlantic City" starred Burt Lancaster together with Susan Sarandon's nipples......
.....but I don't recall Brooke being in it.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:41 am

ColinB wrote:From the article:
Kampmeier doesn't show the actual rape, but it's quite clear, from sources who've seen the film, that as scripted and directed, the scenes in question are going to cause as big if not bigger uproar than when Brooke Shields played a pre-pubescent prostitute in Louis Malle's classic "Atlantic City."



I can't fathom how anyone can derive enjoyment or entertainment from viewing anything so reprehensible. Or how anyone can be overjoyed because Elvis will be forever linked with child rape. Revolting, on both counts........

Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:06 pm

Scatter wrote:.............It never ceases to amaze me.............half you people are over on the "Duck" thread, or the "EPE Impersonators" thread bleating about the damage to Elvis' image, yet you don't blink an eye when something ELVIS would have found repulsive is linked to his music.

EPE should be ashamed............but that's nothing new, is it??


I can't stop shaking my head.....your observation is so right!

Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:47 pm

I agree with you completely Scatter!

I haven't seen this and have NO plans of doing so. It's disgusting imo.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:01 pm

Chill out :D

You are getting upset about something no one has seen yet. Hells bells the movie doesn't have a name.

The rape seen is off camera according to the director.

To be accepted by Sundance it must have some merit.

The closing credits claim by Scatter is just simply illogical - it just not fit the plot.

Some of you are sounding like those Preachers who wanted to ban Elvis in 1956 :D

Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:07 pm

Scatter wrote:"change of habit" wrote........"I will see the film because of Elvis' music, how they have used it and what songs they have choosed."

Yes, I believe that a 4 year old boy is sodomized during the outtakes that run at the end of the film. I believe it's set to the tune of "I Got A Thing About You Baby". Do let us know if it's tastefully done, and whether Elvis can be heard clearly over the terrified screams. :P

It never ceases to amaze me.............half you people are over on the "Duck" thread, or the "EPE Impersonators" thread bleating about the damage to Elvis' image, yet you don't blink an eye when something ELVIS would have found repulsive is linked to his music.

EPE should be ashamed............but that's nothing new, is it??

Think what you wan't.

Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:25 pm

jak wrote:I read somewhere that the character uses Elvis music to help cope with her situation.To have a knee jerk reaction just because of the subject matter doesnt make any sense.It wont tarnish Elvis' music.Maybe it will be positive.
Jak


I dont think anything positive can come from something with Elvis music and rape scene in the same sentence somehow.

What a way to get into the news, just as we are about commemorate the 30th year of his passing.

Would EPE have had to give their permission for it' use?

Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:43 pm

Scatter wrote:EPE should be ashamed............but that's nothing new, is it??


Scatt... based on what the article says, I don't think EPE has been involved to this point... but I'm sure we'll hear more about it.

What could do the movie in, though, is the soundtrack of Elvis Presley records. It's unclear whether the Presley estate will approve the licensing of the ultimate pop idol's voice as the film's backdrop, or even if the writers of the song "Hound Dog" — Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller —won't do something to keep their famous composition out of it.

Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:24 am

I don't give a damn what any of you think.........there is no redeeming value in insinuating or portraying the rape of a child in a film. Everything's fair game these days, as long as it has some supposedly redeeming message.

Just what message are you hoping to carry away from this??

"Gee, after seeing this film, I believe I'm leaning against child rape now. I really had no opinion about a 40 year old man using an innocent little girl for sexual gratification until I actually got to see it acted out on a 40 foot screen. Thank goodness it was portrayed on screen so I could make an intelligent evaluation."

Please..........spare me the libertarian tolerance of this sort of abomination for "art's sake". Is anything too degenerate to be put onscreen anymore?? No, I suppose not..........and that says more about US than it does the filmmaker.

Whether or not Elvis' music was in this would not mitigate the offensiveness of that portrayal. But add to it the linking of Elvis with something that he would have abhorred and REFUSED to be associated with, and it's more disgusting still.

"Yup...........poor closed minded, intellectually backward Scatter. Now, let's get to the cineplex.........there's a new film where a girl does a donkey."

Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:34 am

Thanks Caro..........at least I'm not completely alone :lol:

As for the thought that this film may lead to some sort of reform..........please. What are they going to do?? Prompt a public outcry that rape is bad?? OOoooooooooo...........

Illegalize it?? Give it a stigma??

A bit redundant, no??

I don't have to go see the pile of dung some dog left in my yard to know it stinks. It's nonsense to say I can't have an opinion ABOUT THE DEPICTION OF CHILD RAPE in a film unless I go WITNESS the child rape. Pleeeeeeeeeze

Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:38 am

I find the controversy kinda stupid. When I listen to Gene Kelly's Singing in the Rain I think about the movie of the same title, not a bunch of droogs raping a woman in A clockwork Orange (on the other hand, an absolute masterpiece, and I find the rape scene disturbing and hauntingly good at the same time)

Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:11 am

shanebrown wrote:I was actually referring to scatters message, carolyn, and i do see both side of the situation. However, to slate a film before its even issued does seem to me to be ludicrous.


Well Shane my mate............it seems ludicrous to me for you to say I have to SEE a child rape before I can condemn it. To each his own.........

Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:21 am

Capt. Ross Carpenter wrote:Sure, licence Elvis' tunes for this movie, but don't ever release any footage of the king post 1973!


So true, so true!

Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:42 am

ColinB wrote:From the article:
Kampmeier doesn't show the actual rape, but it's quite clear, from sources who've seen the film, that as scripted and directed, the scenes in question are going to cause as big if not bigger uproar than when Brooke Shields played a pre-pubescent prostitute in Louis Malle's classic "Atlantic City."

Err.... wasn't the Brooke Shield's film called "Pretty Baby" ?

"Atlantic City" starred Burt Lancaster together with Susan Sarandon's nipples......
.....but I don't recall Brooke being in it.


Anybody else think the article is wrong on this ?

Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:20 am

ColinB wrote:
ColinB wrote:From the article:
Kampmeier doesn't show the actual rape, but it's quite clear, from sources who've seen the film, that as scripted and directed, the scenes in question are going to cause as big if not bigger uproar than when Brooke Shields played a pre-pubescent prostitute in Louis Malle's classic "Atlantic City."

Err.... wasn't the Brooke Shield's film called "Pretty Baby" ?

"Atlantic City" starred Burt Lancaster together with Susan Sarandon's nipples......
.....but I don't recall Brooke being in it.


Anybody else think the article is wrong on this ?
Susan Sarandon 2 films.
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