KISS / Elvis Presley

In my fantasy world Jak I would like to think they came about because of an informal jam session............am I wrong???

Sid
They came because RCA just couldnt get any work out of Elvis.Elvis just didnt have the drive or willpower by this time to go into the recording studio anymore.Elvis was basically just a live artist at this point.He didnt care about making records anymore.RCA came to Graceland out of critical need.It was not an informal jam session.This is what I meant be Elvis laziness.
Jak

Thanks Ger, I respect what you have to say and I shall stand corrected..............I apologise Jak.
It happens to be one of my favourites that's all

Thanks Ger, I respect what you have to say and I shall stand corrected..............I apologise Jak.
It happens to be one of my favourites that's all

Sid
No apology needed.This is a great place to learn info.
Jak

... where do I come from, Joe? Its the planet Reality. But I doubt
you know where to find it...

Hindsight is always 20/20... shoulda woulda coulda... wasn't it you that quite enjoyed the December '76 concerts... but then later on in years changed your mind about them?

It does make one wonder why you would waste your time on someone that you obviously have such little respect for? Elvis was not perfect... that is well documented... but to say he had no balls is...

Oh yes.... you have contributed so much to the Elvis legend by your photo books... I amost forgot there for a minute... because you forgot to mention it, and try to act like your the big daddy of the messagboard/elvis world

JEFF d
EAP fan

Can you imagine that Ger actually claims to be a fan! I'd hate to be his worst enemy.

... aww, poor ol' Joe... your one liners against me start sounding

like a cracked 78... try something new, goodie, goodie, christian boy.

... aww, poor ol' Joe... your one liners against me start sounding

like a cracked 78... try something new, goodie, goodie, christian boy.

You're the one who says the same thing over and over. Unfortunately your EP bashing is taking away from your work, which is sad. Why don't you stick to bootlegs and fifties talk, understanding human nature is not your bag.

Kiss are in the minority when it came to filming lots of that stuff back then.

But there were still quite a few of Elvis's shows filmed. The 6 for TTWII. 4 for On Tour. 2 aloha shows and on In Concert shows.

Comparing to Elvis? Uh-uh, no way. The KISS archives is filled with unreleased material.

... Joe/ Quote : 'understanding human nature is not your bag' <

... understanding raving lunies, like you, Joe, neither.

What are you talking about????????

The only reason Elvis recorded in the jungle room was that he was to lazy to go into the studio.RCA had to bring their equipment to him to try and get material out of Elvis.
Jak

i think it´s accurate.
this reason was often enough confirmed.

Thanks Ger, I respect what you have to say and I shall stand corrected..............I apologise Jak.
It happens to be one of my favourites that's all

Sid
No apology needed.This is a great place to learn info.
Jak

Reading back through the posts leading up to this one tonight, I feel thoroughly ashamed Jak, you say they was no need to apologise........but my apolgy still stands.

I am not all clued up on everything Elvis did and in future I shall watch, listen and learn

He depended way to much on that talentless manager of his, that's why, a gifted conman who could care less about his client's artistic credibility, and who wanted total control.

That ain't true, man. In the 50's Elvis ran the show in the studio. He decided what to record and what to release. Tom Parker let his boy decide just about everything, he didn't want total control at all. Parker's role was to promote the hell out of the stuff Elvis recorded.

Again, Elvis was the boss. And if Elvis wanted something from RCA, Colonel Parker made sure he got it. Parker was a brilliant manager in the early days. He took care of his boy. And this relationship worked very well until Elvis became disinterested with his career and started to take the easy way out. Elvis probably needed some new friends and advisors, to boost his passion for recording and making albums again. But that wasn't Parker's role and so we shouldn't blame him for that. Parker didn't stop him from recording good songs.

I think there was a genuine affection between Elvis and Parker in the early days. Parker was not The Devil.

Keith Richards, Jr.

I should have been more clear, I'm talking primarily about the seventies.

... Joe/ Quote : 'understanding human nature is not your bag' <

... understanding raving lunies, like you, Joe, neither.

You're really a class guy!

... But he didn't. Manager or no manager! He just didnt have an

artistic view on his carreer... and he lacked b*lls.

Well said Ger.

... But he didn't. Manager or no manager! He just didnt have an

artistic view on his carreer... and he lacked b*lls.

Well said Ger.

To quote Gomer Pyle, "surprise, surprise."

The KISS archives is [sic] filled with unreleased material.

Oh yeah, it's full of something all right.

The KISS archives is [sic] filled with unreleased material.

Oh yeah, it's full of something all right.

lol i think you mean " brown Out Takes"

The only reason Elvis recorded in the jungle room was that he was to lazy to go into the studio.RCA had to bring their equipment to him to try and get material out of Elvis. Jak

I am not sure the word lazy explains why Elvis didn't go into the recording studio. Anyone who worked as hard as Elvis did cannot be described as lazy. Besides - what is harder work - a gruelling concert tour or a few days visit to the studio?

Saying Elvis did not have balls is not how I would explain his problem. Anyone who can walk out in front of millions of people live via satellite - sober - has to have balls. On top of which he was the first solo artist ever to do so - that must have been scary - yet he went through with it. Tons of other examples ofcourse - his first tv appearance springs to mind.

No - the reason Elvis didn't face up or do certain things was because he was hopelessly gripped in addiction. There is no cure for the recognized illness of addiction and only a small percentage of addicts do recover on a daily basis. Elvis' addiction was facilitated by everyone around him - he had less chance than anyone in history of seeing his problem.

Am I here to defend my hero - yes I am.

Paradoxially an addict has tremendous will power - more so than most people. Their problem is the misuse of will power.

The KISS archives is [sic] filled with unreleased material.

Oh yeah, it's full of something all right.

I took a long time for a useless repsonse, Doccie-Boy.

Please, don't reply to something, you dont know . Stick to youre pathetic world.


NURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only reason Elvis recorded in the jungle room was that he was to lazy to go into the studio.RCA had to bring their equipment to him to try and get material out of Elvis. Jak

I am not sure the word lazy explains why Elvis didn't go into the recording studio. Anyone who worked as hard as Elvis did cannot be described as lazy. Besides - what is harder work - a gruelling concert tour or a few days visit to the studio?

Saying Elvis did not have balls is not how I would explain his problem. Anyone who can walk out in front of millions of people live via satellite - sober - has to have balls. On top of which he was the first solo artist ever to do so - that must have been scary - yet he went through with it. Tons of other examples ofcourse - his first tv appearance springs to mind.

No - the reason Elvis didn't face up or do certain things was because he was hopelessly gripped in addiction. There is no cure for the recognized illness of addiction and only a small percentage of addicts do recover on a daily basis. Elvis' addiction was facilitated by everyone around him - he had less chance than anyone in history of seeing his problem.

Am I here to defend my hero - yes I am.

Paradoxially an addict has tremendous will power - more so than most people. Their problem is the misuse of will power.

During the time of the jungle room sessions I believe downers were the drugs of choice.This does make a person "lazy" and lethargic.Both physically and mentally.I dont know how an addict cab be said to have more willpower than most?I have always seen it as a great weakness of willpower,not the other way around.
Jak

Ger Rijff is totally correct.

Elvis was a very insular man. He seemed to live for the moment. While he strived hard to attain perfection on many cuts, particularly his early records, this was probably done more because he had something to prove to himself and the world, not because he was trying to create timeless records that would survive the ages. Listen to Elvis describing his Sun cuts in a 1970 interview: "Man, they sound funny." It's a totally honest comment from him, and, I think, a reflection of how he saw himself as an artist and person. Elvis had an astonishingly small ego in a certain sense: I don't think he saw himself as an historical figure. He didn't plan for the future, either. He had no personal investments of any kind and didn't ask any questions provided he had the money he needed when he needed it. Remember the 1973 back catalogue deal? According to Jerry Schilling, Elvis was over the moon about it. He'd netted himself a large pile of cash -- true monetary value of his catalogue, and history itself, be damned. That he didn't take greater control of his legacy was probably because he was "just an entertainer" in his own eyes. Even in a relatively unremarkable piece of footage where Elvis chats casually with his backing singers before going on stage in TTWII (cut footage; see YouTube), he drops out a revealing comment: he tells them that his jumpsuit is one of Bill Belew's latest and that Bill just "does something different every time." Elvis had very little input and wore whatever came his way. In "Careless Love", Binder tells how Elvis instantly OK-ed all his ideas for the "Guitar Man" theme, even though Binder was expecting to hear questions and quibbles.

Don't get mad, Joe. History is what it is. Just as Elvis was who he was. We shouldn't seek to deny it, even if it's rarely what we want or expect. It's shocking and upsetting that Elvis didn't fight and strive for more standards and more things in his life, but a person is like a house of cards: remove one part and the whole thing falls down. His personality, like all ours, had been shaped from birth, and that had positive attributes, and negative ones. But they all went together to make Elvis Elvis. To quote Shakespeare: "He was a man, take him for all in all. I shall not look upon his like again."

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Listen to Elvis describing his Sun cuts in the MSG 1972 interview: "Man, they sound funny."

He said it in 1970 for Rodeo press conference...

Listen to Elvis describing his Sun cuts in the MSG 1972 interview: "Man, they sound funny."

He said it in 1970 for Rodeo press conference...

Corrected!

Ok..being a HUGE Kiss and and an Elvis fan on top of that, I can answer some questions on the KISS side of this discussion.
KISS DID NOT own ANY of these shows that were used in new 3 DVD set. All most all the footage has been around for at least 20 years in the bootleg market. They (KISS) over the years stole or extorted the footage back from the fans. KISS did not pay to have these shows filmed. All of the footage was used from the different locations in house closed circuit feeds. Most places filmed the shows and them offered them up to the band for sale after the show. Most declined and were never seen again. But these managed to hang on somehow over the years and here they are. So, why did it take so long for KISS to release this stuff. Easy, they never had it. Now Paul & Gene's greed are getting to them and see the chance to make some bucks.
Being a huge bootleg freak for KISS, I had EVERYTHING on the DVD's except for like 10 minutes of footage.

The KISS archives is [sic] filled with unreleased material.

Oh yeah, it's full of something all right.

I took a long time for a useless repsonse, Doccie-Boy.

It's nice to read you finally admit your replies are useless.

Everyone else already knows!

Bwaah-haa-haa!

Ger Rijff is totally correct.

Elvis was a very insular man. He seemed to live for the moment. While he strived hard to attain perfection on many cuts, particularly his early records, this was probably done more because he had something to prove to himself and the world, not because he was trying to create timeless records that would survive the ages. Listen to Elvis describing his Sun cuts in a 1970 interview: "Man, they sound funny." It's a totally honest comment from him, and, I think, a reflection of how he saw himself as an artist and person. Elvis had an astonishingly small ego in a certain sense: I don't think he saw himself as an historical figure. He didn't plan for the future, either. He had no personal investments of any kind and didn't ask any questions provided he had the money he needed when he needed it. Remember the 1973 back catalogue deal? According to Jerry Schilling, Elvis was over the moon about it. He'd netted himself a large pile of cash -- true monetary value of his catalogue, and history itself, be damned. That he didn't take greater control of his legacy was probably because he was "just an entertainer" in his own eyes. Even in a relatively unremarkable piece of footage where Elvis chats casually with his backing singers before going on stage in TTWII (cut footage; see YouTube), he drops out a revealing comment: he tells them that his jumpsuit is one of Bill Belew's latest and that Bill just "does something different every time." Elvis had very little input and wore whatever came his way. In "Careless Love", Binder tells how Elvis instantly OK-ed all his ideas for the "Guitar Man" theme, even though Binder was expecting to hear questions and quibbles.

Don't get mad, Joe. History is what it is. Just as Elvis was who he was. We shouldn't seek to deny it, even if it's rarely what we want or expect. It's shocking and upsetting that Elvis didn't fight and strive for more standards and more things in his life, but a person is like a house of cards: remove one part and the whole thing falls down. His personality, like all ours, had been shaped from birth, and that had positive attributes, and negative ones. But they all went together to make Elvis Elvis. To quote Shakespeare: "He was a man, take him for all in all. I shall not look upon his like again."

I have more respect for Micheal Jackson's nose surgeon then I have for Ger's opinion.