Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:01 am
e76 wrote:Sorry, I dont know how to put what someone else said in a box. But anyway, why did you write this? Was Larry Geller on Elvis black list at the time of Elvis death? I always get a weird feeling about Larry Geller.[/url][/list]
Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:14 am
Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:19 am
sid wrote:Larry Gellar was revered enough by Vernon, to ask him to style Elvis's hair after his death I think that speaks volumes for him as a man.
sid wrote:I would take everything he said with a pinch of salt
Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:00 am
I do not think that! But on multiple levels8, fallacious8, fallacy8... I know by reading you look up to him and so I guess he must be flattered cause imitation is a form of it.....but if I were to give advice to a very smart kid (not thinking of you ) I would tell him/her that it is best to be yourself or more original....but what do I know!!!Cryogenic wrote:
You really ought to stop thinking I'm N8.
I'm not N8
Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:44 am
JLGB wrote:but if I were to give advice to a very smart kid (not thinking of you ) I would tell him/her that it is best to be yourself or more original....but what do I know!!!
Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:13 am
Memphis Flash wrote:Other than Elvis' affair with Hope Lange, who was an older woman ...
Memphis Flash wrote:David Stanley, who remains good friends with Lamar Fike, once told me, in the most serious tone, "Albert Goldman's book is the most accurate book ever written about Elvis."
Memphis Flash wrote:He is still 50% owner of the book, however.
JLGB wrote:Elvis did great but 68 special was CREATED tv magic not real magic on the stage like in the 69 comeback or 50s explosion ... It is myth like Goldman wrote ...
Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:21 am
Condescension hidden?! Yes and no....you have the right to imitate and be in awe of anyone you want and even be a show off with your grey matter! BUT don't disrespect me. I am sure you can find another place to tear a hole into.Cryogenic wrote:JLGB wrote:
Condescension hidden within a superficial shell of humour?
Oh, c'mon, JLGB........
Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:36 am
Everything you say is very true except the editing. But of 4 performances for television taped...those minutes edited within the framework of the special were masterfully chosen even dialogue that faded before Elvis himself admitted to mumbling comes off better and even lets the viewer go off imagining theres more intellectual words spoken about the big change in the music field then. I will concede Doc I have exagerated....But the 4 or so hours filmed (although for the most part great) are not MAGICAL like those minutes seen originally in 1968. Makes sense?drjohncarpenter wrote:
Editing has NOTHING to do with his singing or guitar playing on June 27, 1968 -- perhaps the greatest rock and roll EVER put to tape by anyone -- or the incredible work done on tracks like "Trouble/Guitar Man," "Saved" or "If I Can Dream."
How anyone can say otherwise is beyond belief!
Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:44 am
JLGB wrote:BUT don't disrespect me. I am sure you can find another place to tear a hole into.
Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:09 pm
JLGB wrote:But the 4 or so hours filmed (although for the most part great) are not MAGICAL like those minutes seen originally in 1968. Makes sense?
Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:21 pm
Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:36 pm
Cryogenic wrote:JLGB wrote:BUT don't disrespect me. I am sure you can find another place to tear a hole into.
You're taking this waaaaaaaay too seriously. Just like Steve took my crack in another thread too seriously. Is everyone on pills or something?
Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:01 pm
Thanks Doc! Again you are correct Doc! But the MAGIC in 1968 could not have happened with any show broadcast in an unedited form as seen many years later. This would have been without Trouble openning and IICD ending plus the rest including segments (the whole TV special with live segments inserted to tease and let imagination wander) from every one (I think) of 4 performances 2...sitdown...2 standup.....the legend,myth...grew and the Bootleg,HBO and finally DVD NEVER IMO equaled (lived up to the impossible expectations) the legend or myth created in 1968...I cannot express myself any better and thanks again for link!drjohncarpenter wrote:JLGB wrote:But the 4 or so hours filmed (although for the most part great) are not MAGICAL like those minutes seen originally in 1968. Makes sense?
If you're referring to the June 27, 1968 sit down shows, you have lost me. They're two of the greatest concerts in the history of rock and roll.
Here's an outstanding look (in PDF format) at why June 27 is important:
"The Little Theater" by Greil Marcus
Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:10 pm
Blue-Gypsy wrote:Thanks for the links Doc! You have turned a rather bland thread into somthing very informative.
Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:29 pm
Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:16 pm
For the record. I think it was/is a very cool myth contrary to Goldman's view having no credit to Elvis at all or very little. I cannot stress that enough. I read that part and right away agreed with the Myth but disagreed with author's contempt of Elvis. Nevertheless I learned from it and by that time in the book knew how to weed out the meanness of the author against his subject. Interesting read over 20 years ago with lots of NEW info....lucky us today with the internet and sites like this one.Cryogenic wrote:Blue-Gypsy wrote:Thanks for the links Doc! You have turned a rather bland thread into somthing very informative.
The Doc is virtually always to be credited, but you evidently missed my own refutation of JLGB's claims and my allusions to both of Greil Marcus essays. Since the Doc posted those, here is another great refutation of Goldman's goop:
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