Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:21 pm
Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:37 am
Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:29 am
Larry Dickman wrote:Cryogenic wrote:The behind-the-scenes footage alone is heartbreaking. After Elvis receives the Medallion of Life from Monique, and considering how tired he looks, it's very uncomfortable watching him being dabbed and almost prodded by the makeup guy, again and again. It's like they were worried about his face cracking and falling off. The whole mood in that dressing room is so different to anything shown in TTWII. The contrast is evocative of a Shakespearean tragedy. Yet that footage is oddly compelling. The meeting between Elvis and Monique is interesting on a cultural level alone. And he is extremely sweet with that girl. Ultimately, the footage is what it is, and very sad at that.
Never thought I would see the day when I agree wholeheartedly with you.......but......some very poignant
words Cryo.......same goes for your first post on this topic......well said.
Scott Haigh 781990EP wrote:Cryo, ever since you joined this board, you have been a true asset to it . Thoroughly enjoyed your informative posts. Well done mate
Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:35 am
Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:24 pm
Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:34 pm
Yes, the King Of Spades suit was kinder to him from the same tour.
Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:45 pm
Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:46 pm
Ton Bruins wrote:I have footage from the Kansas City show and he looks horrible...
Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:07 pm
Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:13 pm
Steve_M wrote:Well I think there is a mystery. It is as follows:
Why did they make Elvis look and act worse for stage than when he was off it ?
If there is a relevant answer to that then you're right, there's no mystery. But whilst I and others find it mysterious then I think there must be a mystery for it to be mysterious.
Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:44 pm
Steve_M wrote:Xaykev wrote:We must not forget that the stage lightning has a lot to say when it comes to how Elvis looked on stage compared to off stage.
Please don't try to create a myth here...like Dr. Nick fed Elvis with some pills etc..and that's why he looked better off stage than on.
I think it is as simple as that...the stage lightning weren't as forgiving as the light backstage. Elvis was also a bit more relaxed.
People at this forum have some strange opinions sometimes...like they want things to be a mystery
Stage lighting ? The whole arena was lit for the CBS taping, this wasn't stage isolated stage lighting. He was better lit on the stage than he was having just got out of the car.
I don't want to create a myth that Dr Nick fed Elvis pills I want that to be a known bloody fact that Dr Nick fed Elvis pills. Dr Nick is on record as well confessing to having fed Elvis pills.
I don't have an opinion on why Elvis and those around him chose for him to look worse on stage than off it, strange or otherwise.
I would like to form an opinion on this but in order to form a calculated opinion i need to find some answers to something that mystifys me, why did they operate this policy ? not just for CBS (so that throws the "lighting theory out the window) but for many shows especially in 1977.
Next I'll be hearing that the man who at times couldn't barely move on stage in front of the public in 1977 without wincing in pain was able to run around playing football in private whilst on vacation in Hawaii. Bah-ha-hah, I know, I have a vivid imagination, maybe it was the Hawaiian lighting....
Tue Nov 07, 2006 10:47 pm
But I don't think Dr. Nick fed Elvis with drugs during the minutes the door is closed backstage.
Wed Nov 08, 2006 3:25 am
Xaykev wrote:Steve_M wrote:Xaykev wrote:We must not forget that the stage lightning has a lot to say when it comes to how Elvis looked on stage compared to off stage.
Please don't try to create a myth here...like Dr. Nick fed Elvis with some pills etc..and that's why he looked better off stage than on.
I think it is as simple as that...the stage lightning weren't as forgiving as the light backstage. Elvis was also a bit more relaxed.
People at this forum have some strange opinions sometimes...like they want things to be a mystery
Stage lighting ? The whole arena was lit for the CBS taping, this wasn't stage isolated stage lighting. He was better lit on the stage than he was having just got out of the car.
I don't want to create a myth that Dr Nick fed Elvis pills I want that to be a known bloody fact that Dr Nick fed Elvis pills. Dr Nick is on record as well confessing to having fed Elvis pills.
I don't have an opinion on why Elvis and those around him chose for him to look worse on stage than off it, strange or otherwise.
I would like to form an opinion on this but in order to form a calculated opinion i need to find some answers to something that mystifys me, why did they operate this policy ? not just for CBS (so that throws the "lighting theory out the window) but for many shows especially in 1977.
Next I'll be hearing that the man who at times couldn't barely move on stage in front of the public in 1977 without wincing in pain was able to run around playing football in private whilst on vacation in Hawaii. Bah-ha-hah, I know, I have a vivid imagination, maybe it was the Hawaiian lighting....
So you believe that Elvis had the same spotlight on him as the audience???
You must be joking...
Look at Elvis in the middle of I Really Don't Wanna Know....look at the spotlight....is that the same light as in the rest of the hall??
Look how the spotlight make Elvis look different.
The light backstage is much softer, much more forgiving than the spotlight on stage.
And yes, I DO know about the drugs.
But I don't think Dr. Nick fed Elvis with drugs during the minutes the door is closed backstage.
Don't let your imagination become the truth.
Wed Nov 08, 2006 5:46 am
Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:06 am
Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:17 am
e76 wrote:When did Elvis have the surgery? Was it cosmetic or for medical reasons, because I know he did have alot of eye problems. But I agree, he did have beautiful eyes before he got so sick.
Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:42 am
The dialogues are struggling in Rapid City, and Elvis noticed that too.
(I can sing but i can't talk, just like Mell Tellis-whoever that is)
Source is apparently direct from the CBS master copy. The best quality that has ever been seen! Crystal Clear!
File Size: 86MB Length: Over 50 minutes
Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:48 am
Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:56 am
The behind-the-scenes footage alone is heartbreaking. After Elvis receives the Medallion of Life from Monique, and considering how tired he looks, it's very uncomfortable watching him being dabbed and almost prodded by the makeup guy, again and again. It's like they were worried about his face cracking and falling off. The whole mood in that dressing room is so different to anything shown in TTWII. The contrast is evocative of a Shakespearean tragedy. Yet that footage is oddly compelling. The meeting between Elvis and Monique is interesting on a cultural level alone. And he is extremely sweet with that girl. Ultimately, the footage is what it is, and very sad at that.
Wed Nov 08, 2006 11:10 am
Just add blue...but not as much as I did and will counter balance .....
Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:24 pm
Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:59 pm
Wed Nov 08, 2006 1:21 pm
Cryogenic wrote:There's not actually a profound difference. Not beyond what twenty extra years of being alive typically does to a person. Elvis' neck and shoulders are hardly any bigger in the EIC image. Well, OK, his neck is somewhat bloated, but he's hardly a beefburger. He has certainly gained weight, but it isn't a catastrophic amount. Not for a 42 year old man suffering problems. The reality does not match the myth. If anything, Elvis' shoulders have stayed the same or even shrunk! His jumpsuit really does him no favours at all. It's a hideous, sagging mess. Look how it droops off his shoulders! Look how creased it is. With or without my enhancements, it also looks damp and dirty. It's a visual slur. Though it appropriately matches the man wearing it. There is a poetry to it. But it *is* awfully kept. Compare this to the "American Eagle" of Aloha. There is a world of difference!
Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:36 pm
Thanks Steve..Good advice with video is the same with mixing in sound. It is better (if you can) to lower some instruments to highlight one instead of raising a particular level of a loud (oversaturated in film,video) recording etc....Thanks againSteve_M wrote:Don't add blue JLGB.
It's the green that needs subtracting not another color adding, it makes it over staurated.
You need to take green down by 6% to correct it. (If your color settings are set mid range to 50 take it down to 47. If at 0 take it down top -6.
Those shots weren't where I was coming from Cryo re the make up, it was specificly My Way (think you may have used a screen shot on one occasion from that) where you can see the line on the neck where the scarves have rubbed it away.
The color change you made to try and make Elvis look better is a similar one CBS used for their broadcast in 1977. If you compare the VHS recordings made at the time you will see that CBS were not happpy with this "green look" that they gave to Elvis and they altered the color balance. This is now annoying because so many fans have come to think that this is how Elvis looked when the reality is "worse" which doesn't bode well either for a DVD release.
I have noticed that on some of the clips used on DVD they have over compensated back on the green (too far as some blacks now have a green tint) and they have over staurated the color by up to around 8%.
I have spent a few hundred hours (that's not an exageration) with all of the footage that fans know of shot by CBS to make up the the shows using the best respective clips that have been released. Trying to get the color to be as close from one, say the out takes, to another at the other end of the spectrum, like the DVD quality, is an impossible task.
I took the DVD of Unchained Melody where that yellow CD symbol flashes across the screen giving the title of the song etc and managed to remove it using the out takes footage over it, but only on the lower half to cover the yellow CD symbol up. This was a classic case of needing to get the color to be similar because of the desire to not see the join.
Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:29 pm
Steve_M wrote:
Oh dear.
The spotlight used in I Really dont Want to Know was used sparingly and not all the time during the show. See the long shots during the show to see that there is no spotlight on the stage most of the time.
Dr Nick was there as Dr Nick no matter how long the door was closed for. Must have been some time, maybe 30 minutes or so for all that make up to be applied at least. Dr Nick has confessed to giving Elvis pre show drugs. Whether he did or not only Dr Nick and elvis would know. all i know is that Dr Nick confessed to doing so.
The lighting backstage is much softer ?
Okay, I'll but that.
Why did Elvis look much better BACKSTAGE in the SOFTER LIGHTING before he went into the dressing room than he did BACKSTAGE in the SOFTER LIGHTING after he came out of the dressing room ?
Why did he sound so much better (can't wait to hear how this lighting affected his voice) before he went into the dressing room than after he was stage dressed for the concert ?
And that'll be £100 GBP or the equivelant in Euros or $US for the last bit please. Though if I was to comply with your deamnd (I usually consider requests only unless the price is just too good to turn down) I'd faind it hard as I imagine one day to have an On Tour SE release from Turner. You are telling me to not let my imagination become the truth ? Oh dear, I think you'll upset a lot of fans with that kind of approach.
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