Why are a lot of you Not requesting FTD to release 1970 SBs?

The thing is, my guess is the soundboard's
from the early 70's will not be of the same
quality as the latter soundboard's,

Which would mean the latter would be better...

But, wouldn't the early be a better quality
performance because of what we are
working with, an so isn't that more important?

PEP, well put.

I would love for FTD to release a show from the 1970 tours. I just didn't think they had any in their possession.

Pete, it is highly unlikely that BMG doesn't have ONE 1970 soundboard in their possession. Ernst has made it clear that most of the soundboards in the vaults are from 1974-1977 with a few from other years. He was non-committal about whether or not there was anything in the vaults from 1971, but ultimately it was confirmed BMG did in fact have some 1971 tapes when The Impossible Dream was released.

AMEN! Keith, I just hope he realizes some fans are appreciative of ALL of his efforts and that the Elvis World would be lost without him.

Deke, Ernst is very much aware of the support he has from loads of fans. He has his ass kissed left and right. It is when some fans raise some issues (some ridiculous and some legitimate) about certain aspects of releases where he becomes hypersensitive and gets all bunged up. Ernst provides an invaluable service to the Elvis community and he knows it.

i don't know why the fans want the 74-77 over 69-73? more fans need to understand there is more to elvis than just 74-77 shows.

In regards to the new bootleg for Boston 'One night only', i thought they used a 1st or 2nd generation tape source, not the case of great mastering.

But holy smokes! Captured on tape, we have Elvis's 2nd show at Houston, Elvis's FIRST out of Vegas concert on tour since the 1950s in Phoenix, and more great shows liek that. If they are in good quality, we should be requesting them non stop. These are HISTORIC concerts that are possibly in the vaults, and we should be crying for their release even more than soem fairly standard 75 to 77 shows.

Plus, i wanna hear how the atmosphere is in the audience and on stage with Elvis and the band after being threatened by a bomb scare, and the first concert on tour. Thats on the top of my list!

With respect to the Phoenix show of Sept 9th 1970....

You would think RCA would have recorded this
in the same way they did the Vegas shows for
the movie, would they have not?

Has Ernst or anyone from RCA suggested this
was not done.....or has the question even been
asked?

I'm guessing paper work does not exist to support
the idea it would have been recorded...is this correct?

Since of course it is not mentioned in the Tunzi
book Sessions 3...

Has anyone heard anything new or old
regarding this?

PEP

... Listing them 1970 shows is one thing.

Finding them is another! Back in 1990, searching the vaults in Indy,

Ernst, Roger and me only eyed a couple of reels that contained half

shows from jan / feb 70. None of the 1970 tour shows were there

at the time. Im not working for FTD. They might have found/ bought

additional tapes in recent years... but had that been the case, and tapes

turned out to be in decent/ good quality, FTD would have released

one/ some, dont you think so...?

... Listing them 1970 shows is one thing.

Finding them is another! Back in 1990, searching the vaults in Indy,

Ernst, Roger and me only eyed a couple of reels that contained half

shows from jan / feb 70. None of the 1970 tour shows were there

at the time. Im not working for FTD. They might have found/ bought

additional tapes in recent years... but had that been the case, and tapes

turned out to be in decent/ good quality, FTD would have released

one/ some, dont you think so...?

Well, yes your right Ger....logically what can one say....?

However, ahh yes there is always that however word...

We can't explain the motives sometimes for these companies to
sit on certain things and not say anything or come off with
a mom's the word sort of attitude...

But I recall and correct me if I'm wrong as a example...

Wasn't there something going on with Tunzi coming forward
confirming the one hour of bonus material meant to be released
on the TTWII SE DvD back in 2000, where Ernst spoke up and
basically called Tunzi a liar that their was never any plan
or talk to release the extra hour...but then low and behold ...
Opps MGM screws up and sends out the already pre made
Sleeves which showed and confirmed everything Tunzi had
said was true.....???

Doesn't something like this sometimes take away some
creditability of the company involved.....???

I'm sure it wasn't Ernst's fault as he had to stand
by his company...

But isn't it is what it is sometimes
which results in fans thinking well,
who's telling the truth
and who isn't.....?

By the way regarding your trip to NY Ger...weren't you planning
on putting a book together of the experience?

An there was some kind of pressure put in place stopping you
from doing the book?

Or is that not true?...Something else happened?

PEP

Any 1970 soundboard would be very much appreciated. I guess people talk more about 1974-1977 soundboards because of one simple reason: Many of them exist in the vaults, while very few, if any, 1970 soundboards do. It's pointless to request things that don't exist.

I keep hoping that Fort Baxter will release a 1970 soundboard in their Classic Series sometime soon.

About the Ernst situation, I hope he isn't that sensitive. You will always have some people moaning and bitching about everything no matter what. It's their problem. Let them be boring, bitter and pissed off while the rest of us enjoy all these wonderful FTD releases. I think Ernst knows he has many true supporters around here.

Keith Richards, Jr.

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If he knows he is doing the best job he can with the resources he has at his disposal, and he is confident in his creative decisions, why does he give any weight to the negativity that he knows will be there no matter what? It is the nature of the business....

He cares, because first and foremost, he's a fan

Nice words, Keith....I wholeheartedly agree.

Please keep in mind, that most of the shows Tunzi has listed in his book are in private hands.
They were given by Elvis for listing purposes only.
And many of them won't give those tapes away or sell them. because they feel they are personel.
I don't feel happy about this, but I accept it. we all must.
I do think that some of the early shows will be released someday, when the time is right.
There is a saying here in holland; think about the things you got, not the things you miss.
sure I want a 1970 on tour show as bad as all of you. but we must respect the people that don't won't to sell these tapes.
When there is nothing left to release on studio outtakes etc, we will getting allot more soundboard recordings, on the ftd label as on bootleg.
It's all getting to us, but not at this moment.
please be patience.

Eddy.

As it apears to me, an correct me if I'm wrong,
more of you tend to request the latter shows from
the 70's...on a on going basis...then these early
shows.

It really doesn't matter to me what year they are. I'm usually a very patient guy and will take them as they come.

Just keep them coming.

... Good gawd, Eddie you sound like Ritchie Valens' twin brother!

Its bull, Elvis never touched those tapes, and handed them over for listing

purposes only... They were in the collection of sound engineers.

And if... just if... they still excist, the change is minimal they were

sold to private collectors during the last 25 plus years. Outside the

jan26 and feb 23 inomplete shows, that have been around since the

birth of christ, nothing [ or very little ] since have turned up... right?!

... Yeah Pep, I had planned a book of tape Legends under the title:

"True Legends" long ago. RCA put it to a halt, simply[ and rightly

so, from their point of view...] but all info have come out ever since.

... No lost mystery tapes... sorry.

Any 1970 show would be worth having and far more desirable than a 1976 show. I prefer listening to really good audience recordings from 1970 than some later soundboards.

Please keep in mind, that most of the shows Tunzi has listed in his book are in private hands.
Eddy.

Funny thing is jekhb76 Tunzi suggest's just the opposite
on page #556 of his book Elvis Sessions 3...he uses the
word "mostly"


Outside looking in Ger, from what I have read
an seen released over the years it does look
like pretty much everything you had talked
about in the past has become available....
One way or another...

Still would anyone want to consider this.....
Tunzi completed Elvis sessions 3 in 2004
The NY trip happened in or around 90'
if I'm not mistaken, could look it
up but I will just go by memory here
for now....

Anyway my point is almost 14 years
past and within that 14 years.....
I believe well over 10 years ago
Ernst was forced to come forward
where in "Elvis His Man & His Music"
he explained to the fans he was no
longer allowed to say what RCA did
or didn't have in their vaults.....

Within that time period of 10 years
or more some of this material may
have past his path.....because it
did appear to come forward to Tunzi
for him to beable to document it
in his book.....

Just food for thought.....

Not trying to cause any waves here....

PEP

i would really like these shows in soundboard

Dear Folks,

My reaction was not intended to upset people, it was just how I feel about this subject.
There are a lot of collectors who doesn'd want to sell there tapes for various reasons.
I know 2 collectors from germany who have some concert tapes.
Nothing special, but they are still unreleased.
a few shows from 1974 and a couple of 1973.
These people will not reveal anything if they don't want to, that's there rights.
I have asked them a couple of times, if they are willing to release those shows, but they don't want to. I don't know why.
I have had only the change to listen to the tapes, that's all. I have no copy.
have respect, that's all I'm trying to say.

this is the story.
Eddy.

I know 2 collectors from germany who have some concert tapes. Nothing special, but they are still unreleased. a few shows from 1974 and a couple of 1973. These people will not reveal anything if they don't want to, that's there rights.

True.

It seems like the golden era of bootleg soundboards really is over. I think the last truly new, unreleased non-FTD soundboard was Audionics' "El Goes El Paso" a couple of years ago. Although different shows have been released since then, there has been nothing really new. Sad but true. We're very lucky to have the FTD label, no doubt.

Keith Richards, Jr.

... Pepman, the MGM design for the TTWII video that never was... is

that for real? It looks so bad, sorta 30 minutes computer job done

by a fan... Where did it turn up? were more than one copy found /

escaped...? look at the lettering of the song titles... boot style...

And the "alternate" behind some of the song titles... so boot style...

...Pep, or anybody else, have more info on this video tape "artwork" ?

For you lazy bast...s , who only read the last 1 or 2 posts... the artwork

is shown on this page above somewhere.

I do want soundboards from 1970 and 1971.

Why is the sound of soundboards such a hot topic? They were recorded on an ad hoc basis - they were not official recordings - more like stick on a tape and press record and, bang, that's a record of that show. Some have really good sound, others are unbalanced etc. Ok so you may have to listen to a flat sounding recording - but it's still a reasonable document of that show and interesting to hear.

The point is through these tapes, and there must be close to 100 avaliable through BMG/FTD/bootlegs, we have got to hear a lot more of Elvis' career than we'd dreamed possible in, say, 1994.

Andrew

With respect to the Phoenix show of Sept 9th 1970....You would think RCA would have recorded this in the same way they did the Vegas shows for the movie, would they have not?

Doesn't seem likely. It still is debatable as to whether or not the show was filmed by MGM. But until proven otherwise, one can only go by what is currently known and that is Phoenix was not filmed in its entirety. So if MGM only filmed a few crowd/venue shots, there would have been no reason for RCA to set things up for an audio recording of the concert. Highly unlikely that Phoenix is multi-tracked.

They might have found/ bought additional tapes in recent years... but had that been the case, and tapes turned out to be in decent/ good quality, FTD would have released one/ some, dont you think so...?

Ger, as you know, Ernst and BMG have acquired and found a lot of tapes since 1990. It would not be surprising at all if they had a couple shows on soundboard from 1970. Also, just because BMG may have some 1970 tapes in the vaults does not mean they would have released one or two by now. They aren't always so quick to release material in high demand on FTD. Who knows, maybe they don't have the tapes? But that would be surprising....

... Pepman, the MGM design for the TTWII video that never was... is

that for real? It looks so bad, sorta 30 minutes computer job done

by a fan... Where did it turn up? were more than one copy found /

escaped...? look at the lettering of the song titles... boot style...

And the "alternate" behind some of the song titles... so boot style...

...Pep, or anybody else, have more info on this video tape "artwork" ?

For you lazy bast...s , who only read the last 1 or 2 posts... the artwork

is shown on this page above somewhere.

Hi Ger, yes the sleeve & the disc is legit...bought at my local
"Future Shop"retail store on the original release date before
they recieved the memo to pull them....

(Future Shop I should mention is like a HMV Store,
or Best Buy, it is a Large Chain of 20,000 Sq.Ft. Corp.
stores out here, so No hanky panky would be allowed)

I was able to buy three of them, two of which I gave away
to, two of my Elvis freinds....One in Holland & One in Eastern
Canada...

I was lucky to get them as No other store I knew of on
release day, as I phoned soon after I got my three
had them in stock, as the memo had gotten to them
before they were able to put any out....

There are a lot of collectors who doesn'd want to sell there tapes for various reasons.
I.

I don't think you upset anyone jekh76, at least you did not upset me...

I am aware of some of these hardcore collectors,
one of them who I know has many soundboards
along with tons of unreleased Elvis footage, along
with personal items once owned by Elvis Presley...

Nice enough guy, but has No plans anytime soon of
allowing anything he has turned over to the public....

I should mention he was one of the few who owned a ton of outtakes
from TTWII and EOT for years prior to the explosion, I can tell you he
along with a few others were not to pleased, as they had paid thousands
& thousands of dollars for the material to find the material no longer
has any value......

Leaking anything this person may have SB wise as a example would have
to be sold to the right people.....if it were to be sold at all...

The reason why some people keep what they have for themselves,
sometimes its because it is an money issue but more times than not
its because they have something somebody else does not have....

I don't look at things that way, but I do understand it to a certain
degree.....

PEP

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Hi Ger, yes the sleeve & the disc is legit...bought at my local "Future Shop" retail store on the original release date before they recieved the memo to pull them....

I was able to buy three of them, two of which I gave away to, two of my Elvis freinds....One in Holland & One in Eastern Canada...

I was lucky to get then as No other store I knew of on release day, as I phoned soon after I got my three had them in stock, as the memo had gotten to them before they were able to put any out....

PEP, nicely done on your part. This could have been a very cool package if it wouldn't have been pulled at the 11th hour. As it stands now, TTWII still needs to receive proper reissue treatment.

What exactly was MGM's reasoning for pulling the bonus footage so late in the game?

What exactly was MGM's reasoning for pulling the bonus footage so late in the game?

I don't think anyone knows for sure, it has been suggested it was a
money issue.....or a copyright issue.....or just that MGM felt they
would leave the extra footage for a later date...

Chances are, it was proably a money issue...
more than anything else...

Personally for me and for a lot of people outside looking
in MGM made a lot of stupid mistakes with this release
because it could have been so much more....than what it
was, I personally like how it was edited blows the orginal
away in my opinion.....

But again it is nice to have both.....

PEP

Personally for me and for a lot of people outside looking
in MGM made a lot of stupid mistakes with this release
because it could have been so much more....than what it
was, I personally like how it was edited blows the orginal
away in my opinion.....

No doubt the re-edited version is superior to the original. Cutting out those 2 freaks with the cat was worthy of an Oscar. Still, MGM blew a major opportunity on this one....

Pete, it is highly unlikely that BMG doesn't have ONE 1970 soundboard in their possession. Ernst has made it clear that most of the soundboards in the vaults are from 1974-1977 with a few from other years. He was non-committal about whether or not there was anything in the vaults from 1971, but ultimately it was confirmed BMG did in fact have some 1971 tapes when The Impossible Dream was released.

midnightx, don't you think that if Ernst & Roger had at least 1 soundboard from the September or November '70 tour they would've released it by now? These are probably the most-wanted tour shows since they're his first tours since the 50's and he was still on fire at that point. An FTD release of 1 of these shows would sell in big numbers!