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will ROR FTD do for july 73 sessions what Jungle room did?

Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:25 pm

will this release put those 73 sessions into a new perspective, just like jungle room did regarding the 76 sessions?

Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:32 pm

Why didn’t you post this under the existing thread?

Anyway, the answer is a clear, resounding YES!

Per

Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:41 pm

because the existing thread goes about the release date of all 3 ftd, and I had this particular question regarding just one of them....sorry :oops:

Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:47 pm

frus75 wrote:because the existing thread goes about the release date of all 3 ftd, and I had this particular question regarding just one of them....sorry :oops:


I think a new thread was fair enough in this instance Frus :)

Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:55 pm

That’s all right, Iván, God forgives you.

Wait a minute, am I suggesting I’m God?

You can call up the people at the crazy house and take this crazy man away.

Per

Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:00 pm

Call me crazy, but I've liked these sessions for years. They won't shine a new light for me because some of my favorite 70's material comes from the Stax recordings.

I very much look forward to this FTD.

Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:06 pm

You’ll love it, Rob. I promise you.

Per

Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:08 pm

You not crazy boy. I always liked these sessions too.

Rhythm & Country is my favourite mainstream single disc release :)

Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:52 pm

Raised on Rock, although a bit on the weak side, has always been one of my favorite albums.

Although frustrated with the material, Elvis manages to have fun in the studio, laughing and cussing a lot. It makes for a great listen.

Per

Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:41 pm

The answer is..... YES!

It's strange that (IMO) the best song from this session (It's Diff'rent Now) wasn't issued until 1995,and my other favorite (Good,Bad,But Beautiful) wasn't even recorded by Elvis,while (below) average songs (Girl Of Mine,Just A Little Bit etc.) were issued on the album. Strange choices.

Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:42 am

I was thinking along the same lines earlier today.

There was never, ever a good word written about the JRS tracks. From Jerry Hopkins to Ernst and everyone in between, the performances were universally panned. Though Elvis struggled, the bias of the critics became evident.

I believe we'll soon be reading much more positive reviews of the July '73 material. It certainly wasn't July '56, but I'm confident it wasn't nearly as bad as we've read it was.

Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:36 am

:lol: YES and YES AGAIN!! ...just wait till a few more people out their REALIZE what a fantastic 2 CD FTD this is!!! Personally(having heard the instrumental tracks YEARS ago) I think this is a MONUMENTALLY great FTD Release!!!! :wink:

Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:05 am

I don't think so.

Wishfull thinking for some of you.

I still think the JULY sessions are the weakest Elvis did the 70's.

He redeemed himself with the December session but in July the only strong songs seem to be "I've gotta thing......baby", and "for ol' times sakes". Nice mid-tempo number and a nice ballad.

The other stuff is very average. "its different now" is probably one of the most boring things he recorded. This is the kind of MOR stuff that Perry Como should be singing. Not Elvis. This is the kind of material that can change his image for the worse. Elvis seemed bored with most of this session anyway, and he sounds like it on alot of the songs here.

Don't get me wrong, I am buying it(just as I am buying Easy come easy go, another weak effort), because I am a collector and there should be some interesting studio chat, but I am not going to change my mind about the material. This album is one of the reasons Elvis rarely made the top 40 in the 70's. This album peeked at number 50. No surprise.

Is this album really a "classic"?

Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:47 am

I did not, and would not, call it a classic.

You haven't heard it yet. Most of us haven't heard it. I think many opinions will be changed once we hear the music, as opposed to reading 30 years of accounts of "how it was."

Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:50 am

I liked Rhythm and Country, but felt it leaned a bit too much on the weaker July sessions. Odd that arguably the strongest album culled from the Stax sessions was the final one in the trilogy, Promised Land.

Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:38 am

I agree with what everyone is saying, perhaps i should qualify my ENTHUSIASM by saying that i feel this release will prove to be 'classic' in the sence of offering the BEST possible and complete package from the 'Raised on Rock' Album and its outakes from the July and September 1973 sessions.

Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:47 am

Loads of fans have been waiting a long time for the classic album reissue of ROR. Assuming the sound quality is strong, it will be a popular 70's title in the FTD catalogue. Just imagine if Ernst cleans out the remaining Jungle Room outtakes from the vaults for classic album reissues of From EP Blvd and Moody Blue....

Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:52 am

hey your right! i mean we still have 2 'takes' from the July sessions that can feature on a similar treatment with GOOD TIMES album and of cource PROMISED LAND too. The best thing about FTD putting out double CD packages like this is we get heaps of outakes and a more complete session release! also ultimately the product is 'NEW' in the market place and that isn't a bad thing after 34 years! :roll:

Re: will ROR FTD do for july 73 sessions what Jungle room di

Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:59 am

frus75 wrote:will this release put those 73 sessions into a new perspective, just like jungle room did regarding the 76 sessions?

For the hardcore fan -- maybe. For the casual fan -- never.

Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:09 am

:o Hey arn't the Majority of people on this board 'hard -core' fans??? :roll:

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:13 am

I have always loved ROR (got it in -73) and I think it is one E's best albums in the 70's with some very good songs like For ol times sake, Find out what's happening, If you don't come back. I never understood why so many put the album down. However, I think that this release can make it appear in a better light to those who are not very found of ROR.

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:19 am

YDKM wrote::o Hey arn't the Majority of people on this board 'hard -core' fans??? :roll:


YDKM, DJC thinks maybe :roll:!

Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:44 am

I don't think so because whatever the deficiencies of the 1976 recordings in both performance and material, Elvis had a level of commitment that he didn't in July 1973. That came through in the outtakes and even on something which is controversial on this board like "I'll Never Fall in Love Again" the complaints have always been about Elvis' technical deficiencies rather than his emotional commitment. In July 1973, Elvis did not want to record at all and, with the exceptions of "I've Got a Thing About You Baby" which caught his fancy and "For Ol Times Sake" which served as an outlet for his pain, the masters reflect. It is IMO the worst non-soundtrack studio session Elvis ever did.

The big huge problem with Raised on Rock is that Elvis' performance is so poor. His voice sounds tired on most tracks and all the tracks lack energy. Not that the material is especially strong. "If You Don't Come Back" was a journeyman like track even in its original version by the Drifters. It wasn't bad but there was nothing special about it. "Three Corn Patches" ranks with L&S's worst. "Raised on Rock" has no hook and a misguided lyric. (James' guitar line is great though.) The ballads with the exception of "For Ol' Times Sake" and "Are You Sincere" are hackery. Even on good material though like Roscoe Gordon's "Just a Little Bit", Elvis lacks verve. And if Elvis had been able to create some sense of loudness or anarchy on "Raised on Rock" he may have been able to redeem that piece. He just was not into it.

I blame Parker and RCA for this situation as much as Elvis. If the man did not want to record, he should not have been made to record. Especially at this point in time, there was no need for it. Any other artist would have still been reaping the rewards of Aloha From Hawaii.

There was a comment on here that recordings like these damaged Elvis' sales. I don't think that's necessarily true. (Cher was selling millions of records which should keep you from making a one to one assessment of quality and sales.) Elvis' relative (and I use the word relative advisedly as Elvis moved something like ten million albums domestically in these seven odd years) lack of record sales was mostly due to the fact that there was too much product. No Elvis album had time to establish an identity and presence in the market because it was soon followed by the next Elvis album. Raised on Rock was Elvis' third LP within eight months and his fourth of 1973. No artist in 1973 could keep a similar pace and stay consistently near the top of the charts.

Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:58 am

Well written, Likethebike, and agreed on all points. Thank God he came back with some added fire in December.

E

Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:42 am

samses wrote:I have always loved ROR (got it in -73) and I think it is one E's best albums in the 70's with some very good songs like For ol times sake, Find out what's happening, If you don't come back. I never understood why so many put the album down. However, I think that this release can make it appear in a better light to those who are not very found of ROR.



God I couldn't of said it better. Raised On Rock is a great album, so soulful.