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Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:00 am

I think an official release of EIC is long overdue.I think it would have to be released on ftd.I dont think there is a mainstream market for it.The arguement that it would be a step backward for his image is wrong.The people who makeup the "mainstream" market dont care about it's release and would be indifferent.Does anyone think it's release would cause a media frenzy causing the general public to rush out and buy the dvd so they could gawk at him?I just dont think they care so its release would go virtually undetected with the exception of the fans.What if the public did take notice?How about the old saying "There is no bad publicity"?Maybe a few people would be surprised at his voice in spite of his health if they watched it.Either way it will be released officially eventually because it's another source of revenue as someone else stated and they will have to tap that resource sometime.
Jak

Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:22 am

A FTD full release in years to come would be nice. Please keep "Elvis In Concert" away from Joe Public. 1st. there's no income. 2nd. He would be rediculed (back to the late '70th's). Why would you kill him again?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:57 am

The release of "Elvis In Concert" being release
officially is a tough one......
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I have to admit I am a little selfish in wanting
a better quality version than what's already
been available for many years....

For the actual TV Special as well as the outtakes...
Image

However as a example I personally wouldn't
want "Desert Storm"
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To be released to the general
public or even through FTD for that matter......

Because if "Desert Storm" were released through
FTD one day it would eventually end up in the
Graceland shops.....and be sold to casual Elvis fan's
or Teddy Bear fans as some call them as they in
most cases wouldn't understand what they are
watching or listening too.....

Not a good thing in my opinion....

With the suggestion "Elvis In concert" should be
released officially through the main stream.....

I personally would be totally against this....

Going the FTD route in this case maybe.....
but if done, there should be restrictions put in place...

The DvD would be available through mail order only....

No stock should fill any Graceland shop along side the
other FTD's.....or any public shop for that matter....

No hype should be given to the release other then
the mention it would be available through Elvis Fan clubs....

This inreturn may gurantee a higher price tag.....

But would it matter?

The final result the ones that want it , finally get what
they already have, but in pristine quality.....

Plus inreturn this may help out some of the fans clubs....

Like "Man and His Music" or "Elvis Unlimited"
just to name a few....

This in my view would and could work....
and would be a win, win situation....

The reality is the TV Special and the outtakes
as we all know have been available for years
through various sources and will continue to be.....

So, If the argument is to protect Elvis' image....

This would still be acomplished.....

I see No harm to Elvis' image if released in this
way.....

The casual fan won't care, the general public won't
care and nor would the media......

They don't now....so nothing would change if done
right and FTD stick to the rules......of this
particular escape ....or release... :wink:

PEP 8)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:34 am

Those against seem be glossing over the fact that the footage is already widely available (thousands have viewed it online, copies on ebay for example).....albeit in poor quality, with no supporting pre-amble........... the sky hasn't fallen in.
Those for, also seem to be copping stick from those against, somehow assuming we would rather see the EIC material before EOT....get a grip.

Where are all the revisionist when Clambake, Harum Scarum, Kissin' Cousins et al are being reissued yet again??????

PEP, I would be also in favour of FTD releasing the '77 material, but I just think the production costs would make this release impracticable.
With regard to Desert Storm, I heard the 'drugs dialogue' from this show two weeks ago, on a popular Sydney FM station.......I think the media can get hold of this stuff already.

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:18 am

Larry Dickman wrote:Where are all the revisionist when Clambake, Harum Scarum, Kissin' Cousins et al are being reissued yet again??????

Your short-term memory must be slipping away -- you already brought up this inane and irrelevant query on another thread not too long ago, and were rightly shot to pieces for it.

PEP -- Is this cover a second edition?

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I have the original pressing and it sports a different image.

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:46 am

Larry Dickman wrote:
With regard to Desert Storm, I heard the
'drugs dialogue' from this show two weeks
ago, on a popular Sydney FM station.......
I think the media can get hold of this stuff
already.


Larry Dickman there is no doubt the media in any form
can get a hold of what ever material they want on Elvis
good or bad.....if they want to take the the time to do the
research for whatever story they decide to go after Elvis with....
its not hard to do as we all know....

But when its layed out in their lap to go after a story
which they may see as only being negative towards
Elvis because of an official DvD release where Elvis
is not looking his best the fear is that some feel it
would start all over again.....

The issue or the argument and please correct me if
I'm wrong is not to add fuel to the fire so to speak....
by making a big deal out of a "Elvis In Concert" DvD release
so that in return the media decides to go out of their
way to build or focus a story around Elvis where he is made out
to be that over weight drugged out has-been Rock Star....
especially when we know that some of the media goes out of their way
to do so.......

Some do it out of spite or just out of pure ignorance......
this is obvious especially when you have someone reviewing
TTWII and suggest what you will see in the movie is
an over weight Las Vegas act...

Obviously its the reporter who ends up looking like the fool,
but when they are dealing with footage where Elvis is not
looking his best they have more of a case......to back up
their story.....

Not to say the media hasn't done this many times in the past....
without this footage......

But again no need to help them out.....

Releasing "Elvis In Concert" as a general release would be a
mistake......even releasing "Elvis In Concert" through FTD
as example if they decide to do so and end up allowing the
DvD in retail outlets or through the Graceland shops would
be a mistake.....

Again we know the footage is out there and readily available
to really anyone if they want it........

But No one seems to make an issue out of it the way its
being done now and No one would either in my opinion if an
official release is available discretely through Elvis fan clubs.....

But again this is just another opinion....

Doc any opinion as to how you feel about my suggestion
if it could be done in a perfert world?

Regarding the different "Desert Storm" insert...I was sent
this a number of years ago.....
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Personally I perfer the alternative insert as it shows the suit
that he was wearing for this performance as well as I'm assuming
the inside pictures are actually from the actual performance...

Doc it you like I can post this on the Picture Forum in regular
size just let me know and I will do so....or for anyone else for
that matter who doesn't have one......

PEP 8)
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Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:50 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Larry Dickman wrote:Where are all the revisionist when Clambake, Harum Scarum, Kissin' Cousins et al are being reissued yet again??????

Your short-term memory must be slipping away -- you already brought up this inane and irrelevant query on another thread not too long ago, and were rightly shot to pieces for it.


Yeah John Boy, you blew a huge hole in my argument. Here was your reply:

John Boy wrote:
"Ah, credibility, a quality you've clearly demonstrated on this MB.
When these are "re-released for the hundreth [sic] time" we'll all be long dead, so it really won't matter, will it, Einstein? I mean, Dick - man (sic)?

Thanks for the laughs."



So damn articulate.....
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Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:17 am

PEP wrote:
Larry Dickman wrote:
With regard to Desert Storm, I heard the
'drugs dialogue' from this show two weeks
ago, on a popular Sydney FM station.......
I think the media can get hold of this stuff
already.


Larry Dickman there is no doubt the media in any form
can get a whole of what ever material they want on Elvis
good or bad.....if they want to take the the time to do the
research for whatever story they decide to go after Elvis with....
its not hard to do as we all know....

Agreed

But when its layed out in their lap to go after a story
which they may see as only being negative towards
Elvis because of an official DvD release where Elvis
is not looking his best the fear is that some feel it
would start all over again.....

I can understand this concern, which I think is the crux of the whole debate......obviously I am of the opinion that the release of this material would be pretty much ignored by the media. (i'm sure it won't be screened in cinemas like TTWII SE)

The issue or the argument and please correct me if
I'm wrong is not to add fuel to the fire so to speak....
by making a big deal out of a "Elvis In Concert" DvD release
so that in return the media decides to go out of their
way to build or focus a story around Elvis where he is made out
to be that over weight drugged out has-been Rock Star....
Where we know that some of the media goes out of their way
to focus on.....

Agreed

Some do it out of spite or just out of pure ignorance......
this is obvious especially when you have someone reviewing
TTWII and suggest what you will see in the movie is
an over weight Las Vegas act...

Strongly agree. :)

Obviously its the reporter who ends up looking like the fool,
but when they are dealing with footage where Elvis is not
looking his best they have more of a case......to back up
their story.....

Not to say the media hasn't done this many times in the past....
without this footage......

And with this footage.

But again no need to help them out.....

Releasing "Elvis In Concert" as a general release would be a
mistake......even releasing "Elvis In Concert" through FTD
as example if they decide to do so and end up allowing the
DvD in retail outlets or through the Graceland shops would
be a mistake.....

Again we know the footage is out there and readily available
to really anyone if they want it........

......but not presented/edited the way it should be, or in the quality it could be.

But No one seems to make an issue out of it the way its
being done now and No one would either in my opinion if an
official release is available discretely through Elvis fan clubs.....

Possibly.

But again this is just another opinion....

Which we are ALL entitled to....apart from what some may say.

Doc any opinion as to how you feel about my suggestion
if it could be done in a perfert world?

Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:44 am

Larry Dickman wrote:
But when its layed out in their lap to go after a story
which they may see as only being negative towards
Elvis because of an official DvD release where Elvis
is not looking his best the fear is that some feel it
would start all over again.....

I can understand this concern, which I think
is the crux of the whole debate......obviously I am of the
opinion that the release of this material would be pretty
much ignored by the media. (i'm sure it won't be screened
in cinemas like TTWII SE)


Your right Larry Dickman....unlikely there would be any plans
for cinema screening, however the odds are if released
through the main stream....you can bet the media like ET,
Extra....maybe CN Entertainment News or whom ever makes
an issue out of the release in a negative way....

The likely hood of this happening is pretty good....

Would you or anyone really want to take the chance
and see this type of thing happen all over again for Elvis?

When it appears more times than not now that Elvis is
getting the well earned respect he deserves
lately from the media...?

Or would you agree the release should be done
discretely if it has to have an official release ?

Where the odds are much better the right
people ...if that's the right thing to say to get
a hold of the release....


PEP 8)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:24 am

PEP wrote:
Larry Dickman wrote:
But when its layed out in their lap to go after a story
which they may see as only being negative towards
Elvis because of an official DvD release where Elvis
is not looking his best the fear is that some feel it
would start all over again.....

I can understand this concern, which I think
is the crux of the whole debate......obviously I am of the
opinion that the release of this material would be pretty
much ignored by the media. (i'm sure it won't be screened
in cinemas like TTWII SE)


Your right Larry Dickman....unlikely there would be any plans
for cinema screening, however the odds are if released
through the main stream....you can bet the media like ET,
Extra....maybe CN Entertainment News or whom ever makes
an issue out of the release in a negative way....

The likely hood of this happening is pretty good....

Would you or anyone really want to take the chance
and see this type of thing happen all over again for Elvis?

When it appears more times than not now that Elvis is
getting the well earned respect he deserves
lately from the media...?

Or would you agree the release should be done
discretely if it has to have an official release ?

I think this is a great idea PEP, I just don't think that's how they will do it....hope I am proved wrong.

Where the odds are much better the right
people ...if that's the right thing to say to get
a hold of the release....


PEP 8)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:40 pm

We just had a program on (still running) about 50 yrs 0f television and the most important 20 television events. Voted by Aussies.

The death of Elvis was No 5
Death of Princess Dianna No 4
JFK no 3
The Twin Towers 9/11 No2
Walking on the moon No 1

They showed early Elvis 69 comeback Elvis and low and behold Elvis from Elvis In Concert the CBS tele show.
This is a program that most af Australia will watch.
Can't wait till tomorrow to read the papers and listen to the news and see all the backlash against the King. The CD sales will stop. It will be unbearable!!!!


PS the Beatles came in at No 19!!! 8)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 3:56 pm

sam wrote:We just had a program on (still running) about 50 yrs 0f television and the most important 20 television events. Voted by Aussies.

The death of Elvis was No 5
Death of Princess Dianna No 4
JFK no 3
The Twin Towers 9/11 No2
Walking on the moon No 1

They showed early Elvis 69 comeback Elvis and low and behold Elvis from Elvis In Concert the CBS tele show.
This is a program that most af Australia will watch.
Can't wait till tomorrow to read the papers and listen to the news and see all the backlash against the King. The CD sales will stop. It will be unbearable!!!!


PS the Beatles came in at No 19!!! 8)


Just watched it to Sam.........I can feel the shockwaves already....the punters are going to astounded.... :shock:

Sun Sep 17, 2006 4:45 pm

Hi Gang,
There are some great answers & feelings expressed here.
So I have added some of the more pertinent & interesting comments to the original Spotlight - along with others that EIN has been sent.
Please have a look to check that you are OK with this, if I have used your comments or if you want you name/pseudonym corrected. (& some needed to be slightly edited for space)

A great discussion,

GO HERE for the EIC Spotlight

Cheers
Piers

Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:39 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Scatter wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:If the cap fits, wear it.

Ahhhhhhhh, there's the rub. The cap isn't for people who dwell in reality. It's for those who construct their own reality.

Right.

Obviously so..........

Scatter wrote:It's out there............it's being seen in crappy audio/video every day by millions.

"Every day by millions"??? Hope the cap is not too tight a fit.

It may well be tight if I tried it. After all, it was fitted especially for you. :wink:

Hundreds of millions of hits DAILY for Google, YouTube,Yahoo,Elvis websites etc. I imagine out of all those hits, the number who either purposely seek the footage out or stumble across clips of it are ENORMOUS. And all without an official release too.

Now.........are you avoiding the pertinent points in my response purposely in an effort to hide the fact that you can't generate a reasonable retort??

HMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......Let's try again.

1) Since the video is damn near ubiquitous on the web, and computer access increases virtually guarantee that millions will see it no matter what EPE does, what do you hope to accomplish with your boycott??

2) Since copies are selling briskly on eBay,as well as various other outlets both well known and obscure, how will you prevent such things in order to keep it out of the hands of the masses??

3) Since the footage is readily accessible to media of all stripes, how do you propose to remove such access in order to keep them from commenting upon it as they have been for 30 years with your EPE censorship??


The "EIN Note" at the end of the essay in question provides the perspective so many of you lack. I suggest all you advocates of this tragic period read it.

Doc, it is you who lack both perspective and common sense in this subject. The fact that you cannot logically or reasonably reply to the salient points raised in this thread are evidence enough of that. To militate for a position that has no hopes of accomplishing what you desire is beyond myopic, and tends toward unreasoning blindness.

An FTD release is the perfect compromise between the extremes of ineffective censorship on one hand, and a mass market release on the other.

Frankly Doc, I understand your sentiments........I really do. But the fact that the tape is indeed out there, and destined to be viewed no matter what EPE does, makes the case.

You're FAR too intelligent to undertake such a Quixotic crusade. Pragmatism should reign here, IMO.

If it's going to be widely seen (and it inarguably will be), It may as well be seen in the best possible light through video/audio/editing wizardry. If EPE does this, making their version the definitive version, it can well overtake the negatives associated with the old EIC in the way Guralnick has overtaken the negatives associated with Goldman's prose in literature.

Just another aspect to consider my friend.......









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Sun Sep 17, 2006 5:53 pm

Scatter wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Scatter wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:If the cap fits, wear it.

Ahhhhhhhh, there's the rub. The cap isn't for people who dwell in reality. It's for those who construct their own reality.

Right.

Obviously so..........

Scatter wrote:It's out there............it's being seen in crappy audio/video every day by millions.

"Every day by millions"??? Hope the cap is not too tight a fit.

It may well be tight if I tried it. After all, it was fitted especially for you. :wink:

Hundreds of millions of hits DAILY for Google, YouTube,Yahoo,Elvis websites etc. I imagine out of all those hits, the number who either purposely seek the footage out or stumble across clips of it are ENORMOUS. And all without an official release too.

Now.........are you avoiding the pertinent points in my response purposely in an effort to hide the fact that you can't generate a reasonable retort??

HMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......Let's try again.

1) Since the video is damn near ubiquitous on the web, and computer access increases virtually guarantee that millions will see it no matter what EPE does, what do you hope to accomplish with your boycott??

2) Since copies are selling briskly on eBay,as well as various other outlets both well known and obscure, how will you prevent such things in order to keep it out of the hands of the masses??

3) Since the footage is readily accessible to media of all stripes, how do you propose to remove such access in order to keep them from commenting upon it as they have been for 30 years with your EPE censorship??


The "EIN Note" at the end of the essay in question provides the perspective so many of you lack. I suggest all you advocates of this tragic period read it.

Doc, it is you who lack both perspective and common sense in this subject. The fact that you cannot logically or reasonably reply to the salient points raised in this thread are evidence enough of that. To militate for a position that has no hopes of accomplishing what you desire is beyond myopic, and tends toward unreasoning blindness.

An FTD release is the perfect compromise between the extremes of ineffective censorship on one hand, and a mass market release on the other.










Damn Scatter, I didn't know you were that smart! :)

Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:09 pm

Can we all agree that FTD is the way to go as far as EIC goes, at least for the time being. Like people have said, EOT hasn't even been released yet, and I wouldn't mind TTWII re-released again, but this time done properly!

Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:59 pm

Joe Car wrote:Can we all agree that FTD is the way to go as far as EIC goes, at least for the time being. Like people have said, EOT hasn't even been released yet, and I wouldn't mind TTWII re-released again, but this time done properly!


No problem from me with that way!!!

:D

Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:29 pm

A few finale comments about this subject....

There is No doubt the CBS "Elvis In Concert"
TV Special would gain a strong audience.....
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If released through the main stream with
hyped up advertising.....

The general public lives for this sh*t and so does
the media...Meaning the negative stuff..

So everyone should keep that in mind.....

EPE did the right thing when they put Elvis
in a coma after Aloha from Hawaii.....
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Hey, we all know Elvis continued to live after
the Aloha Special and continued to do a few
amazing things with some of his music.....
and still continued to have his looks for a few
more years....
Image
But for someone just getting into Elvis
One needs to take baby steps and to take
the time to enjoy what else Elvis did in
his career to understand how things
ended up....
Image
So, for that reason alone there is
No doubt "Elvis In Concert" should have its
day.....
Image
But released in a way were Elvis
keeps the image of still being one
of the Greats if not the Greatest
Rock Icon of all time.....

Discretely and diplomatically.....

Nevetheless there is still more fish
to fry...more TV appearances from the 50's
need to be released, a few more movies,
another TTWII and EOT release.......
as well as a few more secret items
along the way......

For us the panic is over at least we do
have an unofficial release available of the
special in fairly good quality and the
outtakes are there as well.....
Image
Maybe not in the
best quality, but at least they are out
there if you want to see them...

Bottom line there is no doubt that I
as well as a lot of you want this in
better quality, but Iam prepared to
wait for many more years if need be....
and I would much prefer something
new coming out through the import market
or through something like FTD if
projected more or less through
Elvis world channels...meaning the
fan club mail order....on this project.

PEP 8)

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:08 am

PEP -

Please do post that alternative cover -- it is better than the original.

Sadly a "private," low-ket FTD release on DVD is just a pipe-dream. If Ernst got approval to make such a project -- not that he would WANT to -- he would have to justify its ability to recoup the money invested in restoring the footage and audio for release. And BMG would insist on some kind of publicity, and rightfully so.

For all the selfish, short-sighted "fans" who advocate a release on DVD of Elvis' lowest professional moment, I sleep very well at night knowing that EPE and Lisa Marie Presley completely and totally agree with my view.

Nighty-nite!

Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:11 am

drjohncarpenter wrote: I sleep very well at night knowing that EPE and Lisa Marie Presley completely and totally agree with my view.

Nighty-nite!


I'm sure they wouldn't want to not agree with your view. It is your view they are always talking about. They told me they wont do anything till it passes by DJC!!! :roll:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:55 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:PEP -

Please do post that alternative cover --
it is better than the original.


Doc, or for anyone the alternative front and back
cover for "Desert Storm" can be found here
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/v ... hp?t=25052
along with a Alternative cover
for "Night Fever in Vegas"

PEP 8)

Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:35 am

Larry Dickman wrote:
sam wrote:We just had a program on (still running) about 50 yrs 0f television and the most important 20 television events. Voted by Aussies.

The death of Elvis was No 5
Death of Princess Dianna No 4
JFK no 3
The Twin Towers 9/11 No2
Walking on the moon No 1

They showed early Elvis 69 comeback Elvis and low and behold Elvis from Elvis In Concert the CBS tele show.
This is a program that most af Australia will watch.
Can't wait till tomorrow to read the papers and listen to the news and see all the backlash against the King. The CD sales will stop. It will be unbearable!!!!


PS the Beatles came in at No 19!!! 8)


Just watched it to Sam.........I can feel the shockwaves already....the punters are going to astounded.... :shock:


So far I haven't heard one comment about the appearance of Elvis in the EIC clip shown last night. Not on radio, television, no breaking news items and nothing in public. Seems everyone must have already known. Or it didn't bother them.:roll:

Lets move on!!! :wink:

8)

Question

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:12 am

After EIC originally aired on CBS in 77, did Elvis' record sales drop noticeably? I know the album went platinum, but was it in the shops before the show aired? How did the show do in the ratings? Was it a blockbuster like Elvis '68 or Aloha, or did it get beat out by reruns of Happy Days and 3's Company? I wonder how many fans turned off their television's in disgust, "that guy was a mess! incoherant, stoned, looking like a corpse!"

Re: Question

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:21 am

Lonely Summer wrote:After EIC originally aired on CBS in 77, did Elvis' record sales drop noticeably? I know the album went platinum, but was it in the shops before the show aired? How did the show do in the ratings? Was it a blockbuster like Elvis '68 or Aloha, or did it get beat out by reruns of Happy Days and 3's Company? I wonder how many fans turned off their television's in disgust, "that guy was a mess! incoherant, stoned, looking like a corpse!"


Right on the mark, Lonely Summer !!!


8)

Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:32 am

Lonely Summer -
I believe EIC garnered strong ratings. The general commentary that I recall was shock/sadness at how ill and heavy he looked, but that the voice was still there. From a musical standpoint the only low moments for me were/are the weak-voiced Teddy Bear-Don't Be Cruel, the mumbled Jailhouse Rock, and the anemic Hound Dog. Although he does start and finish HD pretty well.