Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:44 pm
ronnyg wrote:If you really believe Elvis at his worst beats the Beatles vocally, check out his version of Hey Jude.
Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:49 pm
Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:00 pm
JYM wrote:...Elvis at his worst will beat any of the Beatle vocally...
Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:08 pm
Don't forget we're talking about music, which is one of the arts.
In the world of art, imperfections can make things 'perfect' !
It's all subjective.
jeanno wrote:About the highlights of the show, nobody mentioned I´M SO LONESOME I COULD CRY. That was an outstanding performance. Apart from that, there were inspired and less inspired performances. This is not by any way EP best show but,at least, it was a triumph.
Joe Car wrote:Reading this thread is like being in the twilight zone, I really can't believe what's being said. First there are the " bloated" comments", are you people fricking blind? How many classic photo's and portraits have we seen over the years from this show, too numerous to mention I dare say. Then his eyes were "glossy", again, what show were you people watching! Here's a guy who put on more great and memorable performances on TV that any performer that ever lived and under extreme pressure situations, because when EP appeared on TV, it was an event. From Berle, through the Sullivan shows, through the ridiculous Steve Allen show, then the comeback at Sinatra, then again the 68 special, ( the greatest performance in rock & roll history ) he then is asked to perform under the biggest stakes imaginable, a world-wide telecast done for the first time and knocks them dead, never mind the restictions, never mind that he had no margin for error. We fans have become really a--holes and unfair to Elvis and his legacy. The guy had to look perfect, sing perfect, dance, move and groove and speak perfect (even though he was prone to stutter a bit, even as a young man) or he gets critized. He wasn't a machine for phuck sakes and he wasn't God.
Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:28 pm
Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:"ColinB" wrote:Don't forget we're talking about music, which is one of the arts.
In the world of art, imperfections can make things 'perfect' !
It's all subjective.
Well said!jeanno wrote:About the highlights of the show, nobody mentioned I´M SO LONESOME I COULD CRY. That was an outstanding performance. Apart from that, there were inspired and less inspired performances. This is not by any way EP best show but,at least, it was a triumph.
Kylan mentioned it, as did I when I quoted him on some of the knock-out performances...Joe Car wrote:Reading this thread is like being in the twilight zone, I really can't believe what's being said. First there are the " bloated" comments", are you people fricking blind? How many classic photo's and portraits have we seen over the years from this show, too numerous to mention I dare say. Then his eyes were "glossy", again, what show were you people watching! Here's a guy who put on more great and memorable performances on TV that any performer that ever lived and under extreme pressure situations, because when EP appeared on TV, it was an event. From Berle, through the Sullivan shows, through the ridiculous Steve Allen show, then the comeback at Sinatra, then again the 68 special, ( the greatest performance in rock & roll history ) he then is asked to perform under the biggest stakes imaginable, a world-wide telecast done for the first time and knocks them dead, never mind the restictions, never mind that he had no margin for error. We fans have become really a--holes and unfair to Elvis and his legacy. The guy had to look perfect, sing perfect, dance, move and groove and speak perfect (even though he was prone to stutter a bit, even as a young man) or he gets critized. He wasn't a machine for phuck sakes and he wasn't God.
Also very well said. We can dissect the show to death, but the total impact was mind-blowing. This "glass half-empty crowd" really starts to get carried away. You'll notice that those who most pull it apart (Cryogenic, Scott Haigh, etc. ) are also quite young (under 25, correct?) and grew up with the luxury of repeating a video or DVD, studying it! The rest of us either saw it live or on occasional re-broadcasts on network tv when it was an event! Back then (pre-52 channels on cable, pre-VH-1, etc), you got what the tube put out. In the case of Elvis, outside of his movies in theaters or re-run on TV, this was the first time many had seen the King in action since '68. I say it was a total triumph, with a few demerits easily overlooked.
Perpective, people!
Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:38 pm
New Jersey Mike wrote:Someone better equipped can probably assist me with this, but I do seem to remember reading contempary reviews which had many of the same criticisms..... that said, The Aloha show is one of my all time faves from the king and I still frequently watch the deluxe Aloha DVD.
Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:42 pm
KHoots wrote:Was it a great show? Not really. But it was a great event.
Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:Perpective, people!
Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:46 pm
Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:47 pm
Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:New Jersey Mike wrote:Someone better equipped can probably assist me with this, but I do seem to remember reading contempary reviews which had many of the same criticisms..... that said, The Aloha show is one of my all time faves from the king and I still frequently watch the deluxe Aloha DVD.
I'd like to see that. I don't expect either the critics (NY Times? Rolling Stone? Variety?) to have over-come their sniping about Elvis even by '73, but I go on what regular people seemed to say then and since then.
Any "evidence" of such anti-Aloha criticism is welcome.
Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:54 pm
Aloha From Hawaii Via Satellite
Elvis Presley
RCA 6089
Released: February 1973
Chart Peak: #1
Weeks Charted: 52
Certified Double Platinum: 5/20/88
My God! Another live album from my hero. He's turning them out as fast as he once made movie soundtracks. And with as little point, in view of the fact that the material, pattern, structure and sound vary so little from record to record. On the other hand, they sell better than his current studio albums, and those haven't exactly been aesthetic triumphs, so maybe there is some logic to it.
Just the same, "Suspicious Minds" has been released live from Las Vegas, Madison Square Garden and Hawaii and not one of these versions comes close to the sheer artistry of the Memphis studio original.
The live "Burning Love" is a mockery of Elvis' best single since "Suspicious Minds." (Mockery? What an exageration.- GN)
The "American Trilogy," El's version of Mickey Newbury's simple but effective blending of "Dixie," "All My Trials" and "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" doesn't generate anything near the power of actually seeing him do it. (overstated, methinks...)
In the enjoyable documentary Elvis On Tour he turns his performance into a visual drama. By contrast, the live recording magnifies the worst element of Elvis' stage show -- the simplistic horn arrangements, poorly performed -- while the film magnifies the depth of Elvis' commitment to the music. (Nonsense about the horns, the performers...)
I usually enjoy hearing him do the ballad staples he became identified with during the movie phase, especially the by-now haunting "Can't Help Falling in Love," with which he closes each concert (and here given its worst recording yet). But when he strays into the pure Caesar's Palace repertory that includes "What Now My Love," "You Gave Me a Mountain," and "My Way," depression crosses over the line into disgust. Typical baby-boomer angst about getting old: thank god Elvis did this music.
As usual, Elvis tries his hand with some recently popular chart material; thus, a mediocre "Something," (oh sure!) and a bloated "Steamroller Blues, (you're hopeless, Landau) " only partially salvaged by some elegant James Burton lead guitar. The band is impersonal but astoundingly tight and professional throughout.
Charlie Gillett once noted that in his early records Elvis sang at the top of his vocal range but that soon after the move to RCA he started singing lower. The high notes were the mark of an innocently beautiful approach to rock & roll singing, the bass ones more symptomatic of his penchant for self-mockery. (what crap, Landau) And on this album he seldom crawls past the middle register at all, a sure sign of what he's thinking about himself. (Whatever...!)
There are moments when he pushes past every fault of the format and generates not just smoke but fire -- as on a rousing "See See Rider."
But it is his good moments more than the bad ones that remind me of Greil Marcus' comment that Elvis Presley's whole career has been a throwaway. (Maybe it's a good thing you moved onto Springsteen...! Be gone! )
Albums like this one prove he was right. It is just that when I hear in the smallest ray of hope -- like the interplay between Presley's voice, Burton's guitar, and Ronny Tutt's drums on "Rider" -- that I remember that there isn't a reason in the world why he couldn't make an album that was good from beginning to end. Does he have to throw it all away?
- Jon Landau, Rolling Stone, 3/29/73.
Typical Rolling Stone rockist crap. There is, however, an element of truth that there were some troubling signs about Aloha, compared to say, '68, or TTWII or even EOT....
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Bonus Reviews!
Although he is perhaps one of the world's greatest music legends, Presley proceeds to slay an audience with more guts and more soul and more intensity vocally than any performer alive. His shows are not only a production, but a musical "happening." And this live recording, which offers eight tunes previously unrecorded by Elvis, is not only a historical event because of the satellite broadcast and the U.S. TV special of the Hawaiian performance, but because Elvis, a focus point in the origin of rock, is perhaps back, cooking again like he seldom has in the past several years. Only on a couple of the tunes does he fail to exhibit that "spirit" for which he paved the way. Best cuts: "My Way," "What Now My Love," and a sparkling version of "Fever."
- Billboard, 1973.
I like you, Billboard, I really do.![]()
This was Elvis Presley's most celebrated live performance, viewed by over a billion people worldwide via satellite. It includes "C.C. Rider," "Burnin' Love," "Early Morning Rain," "Love Me," "Fever," "Big Hunk of Love," and 24 more.
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Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:23 pm
My friends (young people, who aren't really fans) want to see Aloha, cause it's theire favorite. (I have shown them some 50's performances, the comeback special, TTWII, and Aloha)dreambear wrote:carolynlm wrote:Not perfect???? Some of you are very difficult to please.
If there was anyone who was trying to 'sell' Elvis....the Aloha concerts are a pretty good place to start."
If you play the Aloha broadcast to young people ( I tried a couple of times), the reaction I gets is that he´s stiff and doesn´t rock out. But they think he´s quite cool in "On tour".
But my 87 year old father, thinks that Aloha is the best one...just because of the stiffness and the many ballads. So it depends on who you try to sell Elvis to.
//Björn
Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:28 pm
Replacing 'Welcome to my world' for 'It's impossible'? No thanksScott Haigh 781990EP wrote:
I would've loved if Elvis replaced songs like 'Welcome to my world' and 'Long tall Sally/Whole lot of shaking going on' with stuff that had'nt been released yet, like 'Its impossible', or something rocknroll he had'nt even tried like 'Too much'.
Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:29 pm
Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:33 pm
Joe Car wrote:First of all, his version of Something smokes the Beatles version
Cryogenic wrote:Elvis has a lovely smooth voice on this rendition of "Something", but he sounds a little dispassionate, too. His version is a little bit withdrawn and sullen -- when it should be sultry and enrapturing. The Beatles have this one.
Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:41 pm
Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:03 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:The 1973 Landau review of the "Aloha" soundtrack is hardly "crap."
drjohncarpenter wrote:But what Landau observes on the "Aloha" soundtrack is an artist who was losing his way, a man who was becoming consumed by too many shows in Las Vegas since that 1971 gig and beginning to repeat the sins of his wasted years in Hollywood. And Elvis was not yet "old" at 38 -- as Landau well knew -- he was just choosing to let his talent slide, which is evident to the reviewer.
Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:14 pm
Cryogenic wrote:A very eloquent summation. I particularly like the highlighted bit (hence the reason for doing so). Elvis was going down in 1973 and had been for some time. It was slow, subtle, almost insidious, but it was happening.
Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:22 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:
But what (Jon) Landau observes on the "Aloha" soundtrack is an artist who was losing his way, a man who was becoming consumed by too many shows in Las Vegas since that 1971 gig and beginning to repeat the sins of his wasted years in Hollywood. And Elvis was not yet "old" at 38 -- as Landau well knew -- he was just choosing to let his talent slide, which is evident to the reviewer.
It hurt to read the truth, especially coming from someone with a great background in popular music like Landau, but that's the way it was.
Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:43 am
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Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:23 am
jak wrote:Over the years I've met two ordinary fans who actually attended the televised concert.Even though I consider it to be just an average performance I couldnt help being envious while talking to these people about their experiences and how great it must have been to be in the audience.Good or bad it was a milestone and is part of the Elvis mythology.They both described the show as out of this world and unreal.If my rear end had been in a seat that night I probably would say the same thing.I got to see Elvis perform once and the one thing that will always stay with me was the power of his persona.Im sure with the hype that must have surrounded that show combined with the stage effects along with Elvis' charisma the people who were there had an experience they will never forget and would think me crazy for calling it average.I wish I had been there for that "average" concert.
Jak
Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:29 am
Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:48 am
carolynlm wrote:Absolutely N8.....you just need to watch Elvis striding off the stage with the 'crown' in his hand to see he was very confident that he had done a good job.....the two fingers pointing in the air, with the small glance to the others......brilliant stuff......
Thu Jul 13, 2006 4:53 am
N880EP wrote:Generally speaking[/b]: there will always be those who have a hard time accepting or forgiving Elvis for not living up to what he once was or what they wished him to be or become, ............... but, ..... the 70's Elvis was exactly what you see in the Aloha Special (which is usually either "good" or "bad", depending on where each individual fan's mindset / preferences are to begin with).
The Aloha events are my perennial favorites.
N8
Thu Jul 13, 2006 5:05 am
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