Aloha Concerts--Questions??

#283314

Cryogenic wrote:
Scatter wrote:The black leather of '68 wasn't purposely commissioned by Elvis to represent anything or convey a statement to anyone.........the Bald Eagle and Red, White, and Blue of the Aloha jumpsuit was purposely chosen as personally revelatory. A statement to the world of who he was and what he believed.
...because he was going on a world stage.

The black leather represents nothing? That's interesting. I think millions of viewers and journalists would disagree with you.

Exactly. Elvis didn't even like wearing the black leather outfit. But he really liked the jumpsuits.

#283315

Thomas wrote:Why always compare everything to the Beatles?

Paul McCartney is a brilliant composer, performing the songs he creates in his own, unique style. Elvis was an Entertainer, singing more spectacular versions of songs that were already there.

And by the way, "Something" was written by George Harrison..

Mccartney WAS great at producing catchy songs. All of the things people say he is great as is in the past tense. He used to be good at what he did. Good singing wasn't one of them.

Fonzie · #283334

Scatter wrote:He didn't say "Get me some black leather to show the world I'm a rebel"
He did say "Get me something that says "America" for the Aloha Special.

I like that.

re: "Something" -- the only fair performance comparison would be Elvis' Aloha version to the Beatles live version.

.....oops. there isn't one!

But Harrison has a 1970s live version. It sucks compared to the TCB band playing it.

#283349

Fonzie wrote:re: "Something" -- the only fair performance comparison would be Elvis' Aloha version to the Beatles live version.

It just never stops ...

#283352

Mccartney WAS great at producing catchy songs. All of the things people say he is great as is in the past tense. He used to be good at what he did. Good singing wasn't one of them.[/quote]

Listen to the Beatles version of "Long Tall Sally" and then tell me McCartney couldn't sing, Lennon's versions of "Rock and Roll Music" & "Twist & Shout" are awesome vocal performances, I believe that after '66 Lennon always double tracked his vocals whenever he could, but it doesn't take away the fact that they could BOTH sing.

#283356

Liverbobs wrote:Listen to the Beatles version of "Long Tall Sally" and then tell me McCartney couldn't sing, Lennon's versions of "Rock and Roll Music" & "Twist & Shout" are awesome vocal performances, I believe that after '66 Lennon always double tracked his vocals whenever he could, but it doesn't take away the fact that they could BOTH sing.

Those are indeed incredible rock vocals, from two of the best singers in the history of the music. And, lucky us, they were in the same band.

Lennon's vocal on "Money" still burns, over 40 years after it was made.

Both John and Paul double-tracked their vocals as soon as technology allowed (1963), not for lack of vocal power, but for the unique effect it gave the recording. Soon, everyone was doing the same.

In the spring of 1966 this somewhat laborious process was revolutionized by one of the Beatles' engineers, who -- at John's request -- perfected ADT (artificial double tracking), or "flanging," as John later called it. They could cut their vocal once, and then run it through ADT. It's still in use today, and it's still called "flanging."

Yet another innovation courtesy of the Beatles.

#283358

Thanks for bringing yet more clarity to this thread, Doc. It might go unappreciated by the hatemongerers, but it doesn't go unappreciated by me.

#283360

Cryogenic wrote:Thanks for bringing yet more clarity to this thread, Doc. It might go unappreciated by the hatemongerers, but it doesn't go unappreciated by me.

Your words are appreciated as well!

Trust the doc!

#283372

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Liverbobs wrote:Listen to the Beatles version of "Long Tall Sally" and then tell me McCartney couldn't sing, Lennon's versions of "Rock and Roll Music" & "Twist & Shout" are awesome vocal performances, I believe that after '66 Lennon always double tracked his vocals whenever he could, but it doesn't take away the fact that they could BOTH sing.
Those are indeed incredible rock vocals, from two of the best singers in the history of the music. And, lucky us, they were in the same band.

Lennon's vocal on "Money" still burns, over 40 years after it was made.

Both John and Paul double-tracked their vocals as soon as technology allowed (1963), not for lack of vocal power, but for the unique effect it gave the recording. Soon, everyone was doing the same.

In the spring of 1966 this somewhat laborious process was revolutionized by one of the Beatles' engineers, who -- at John's request -- perfected ADT (artificial double tracking), or "flanging," as John later called it. They could cut their vocal once, and then run it through ADT. It's still in use today, and it's still called "flanging."

Yet another innovation courtesy of the Beatles.

Thanks for the extra info Doc, I wasn't aware they double tracked as early as '63, & the "flanging" is some more interesting info that I didn't know!

#283380

Greg - I checked out the Japanese site that is the source of the photo you posted to see if there are more of those cool screen captures. Anyway I used Babelfish to translate the complete text and the results never cease to amaze me. You just can't make stuff like this up. LOL Check out the song list.

1 CC rider/jump all light/write
2 eye gutter woman
3 ? me
4 if u ? me
5 fair retail
6 u ? me ?
8 burning ?
9 R&R medley
10 the wander of u
11 blue Hawaii
12 The bridge which is depended on 12 tomorrow
13 ? mind
14 We would like to believe 14 you
15 American the ? ...

or

As for G tonight with feeling of love [Tonight Is So Right For Love]
H the shopping which is utilized [Shoppin' Around]
In I pocket rainbow fullest capacity [Pocketful of Rainbows]
The A desire served [My Wish Came True]
B fireplace foam/home [I'm Coming Home]

.

#283384

CD King wrote:The Beatles are definately the Greatest and best rock n roll group of all time.

Nope, the Rolling Stones are.

#283385

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Cryogenic wrote:Thanks for bringing yet more clarity to this thread, Doc. It might go unappreciated by the hatemongerers, but it doesn't go unappreciated by me.
Your words are appreciated as well!

Trust the doc!

Even if I don't agree with what both you and Cryogenic say all of the time, you gentleman bring alot to this forum, and that's much appreciated.

#283386

My favorite rock vocals from the Beatles from the songs I've heard is John Lennon singing Helter Skelter.

#283391

Me2 wrote:
Thomas wrote:Why always compare everything to the Beatles?

Paul McCartney is a brilliant composer, performing the songs he creates in his own, unique style. Elvis was an Entertainer, singing more spectacular versions of songs that were already there.

And by the way, "Something" was written by George Harrison..
Mccartney WAS great at producing catchy songs. All of the things people say he is great as is in the past tense. He used to be good at what he did. Good singing wasn't one of them.

My last words in this stupid argue. 1) McCartney is still producing some good work. "Chaos and creation in the backyard" is really good. 2) Paul recorded the extremely raw "I´m down" and the tender "Yesterday" the same evening in 1965. Very few artists has that flexibilty when it comes to singing.

//Björn

#283393

Ok...

I have to admit that nobody here understand how to compare singing abilities.

The Beatles sang all by the throat! All the time.

They were average singers. It is not a fault because the majority of pop singers sing by the throat. You can have good results in studio and with a microphone.

Everybody know the story of McCartney who had to go out yelling in order to scrap HIS THROAT to finish Hey Jude I think. Maybe it was Lennon for Twist and shout, I don't remember...

Did Elvis had to do this in 1968? During the TV special he sang from the throat and sang to the mask or the nose and passed from one to another like he wanted. This man as an uneducated singer was a GENIUS.

PLEASE!

#283395

In Aloha, Elvis sang to often from the nose and that explain the results on Something and Hound Dog for examples.

#283398

Guys, to me what I feel from reading the posts regarding Elvis voice compared to the mops is like if someone watch TTWII SE with me and say: Elvis was fat!

Geeeezzz

This is very bad cause I can't do nothing for it...

#283400

Denman wrote:My favorite rock vocals from the Beatles from the songs I've heard is John Lennon singing Helter Skelter.

Err.....That was Paul...!

#283401

Paul sang Helter Skelter. Originally it was a 25 minute song edited to about 4 for the White Album. It's Ringo who shouts, "I've got blisters on my fingers!" at the end. Paul sang this last year at the Grammys. He did an excellent version, especially when considering he was 63 last year.

He did a terrific rockabilly song called Name and Address on his London Town album from 1978. He said he wrote this for Elvis to do but Elvis died before hearing it.

#283409

Liverbobs wrote:
Denman wrote:My favorite rock vocals from the Beatles from the songs I've heard is John Lennon singing Helter Skelter.
Err.....That was Paul...!

Really? Sorry, I was always told it was John. Thought so myself.

#283418

JYM wrote:Ok...

I have to admit that nobody here understand how to compare singing abilities.

The Beatles sang all by the throat! All the time.

...the majority of pop singers sing by the throat.

Did Elvis had to do this in 1968? During the TV special he sang from the throat...

That's funny stuff. Hey, it doesn't matter one iota to me if an artist sings "by the throat," elbow, knee or ass. I listen by the ear, and the Beatles were all fine vocalists.

#283424

Joe Car wrote:Even if I don't agree with what both you and Cryogenic say all of the time, you gentleman bring alot to this forum, and that's much appreciated.

Joe, thank you for being so kind.

Denman wrote:My favorite rock vocals from the Beatles from the songs I've heard is John Lennon singing Helter Skelter.

Man, you really know your stuff ...

#283428

KHoots wrote:
JYM wrote:Ok...

I have to admit that nobody here understand how to compare singing abilities.

The Beatles sang all by the throat! All the time.

...the majority of pop singers sing by the throat.

Did Elvis had to do this in 1968? During the TV special he sang from the throat...

That's funny stuff. Hey, it doesn't matter one iota to me if an artist sings "by the throat," elbow, knee or ass. I listen by the ear, and the Beatles were all fine vocalists.

Then we have very different ideas about what a "fine vocalist" is. "Fine" isn't even really a compliment is it?

Fonzie · #283435

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Cryogenic wrote:Thanks for bringing yet more clarity to this thread, Doc. It might go unappreciated by the hatemongerers, but it doesn't go unappreciated by me.

Wow- that sucking-up sucking sound could be heard all way across the hemishpere.

BTW, what do the Beatles have to do with ALOHA

Another ELVIS THREAD ruined.

But I maintain that Harrison's Live 1970s "Something" pales in comparison to the "Something" by Elvis & TCB Band

Trust The Fonz

Guest · #283436

Fonzie wrote:what the flying f--- rat's ass does The Beatles have to do with ALOHA

Another ELVIS THREAD ruined.

Hey Fonz,
Aggravating isn't it?