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He couldn't win, really.tsc4280 wrote:Let's don't forget that our boy Elvis picked the list of songs he wanted to sing.....Personally, I think he should have added more recent hits, like "In the Ghetto", "Don't Cry Daddy"....
Nice comments Doc. I agree 100%. This applies to the Beatles who had to deal with producers but ultimately, they are the reason of the success.drjohncarpenter wrote:I don't recall Bob Finkel or Steve Binder singing a single note -- or playing any instrument -- at any live or studio session done for the 1968 NBC-TV Special.carolynlm wrote:Elvis did make the 68 Special his own, that's very true, but he had a lot of help from the producers ...
Without said singing and playing, as done in earth-shattering fashion by Elvis, we would not have anything to discuss in 2006.
Carolyn seems you are even more knowledgable than the so called experts here.carolynlm wrote:Come on people....are you saying that Elvis didn't need the producer or director the '68 Special? That is ridiculous.....Having these people around meant that Elvis could concentrate on the music and nothing else. Elvis listened to Binder and for once (that we know of) stood up to tom parker.....without Binder, would we have had the sit down shows in that particular format? I don't think so....as I said, it was normal for Elvis to sit down with a few mates and jam...nothing special to him, but Binder saw something there that would ultimately appeal to an audience, and he was right.JYM wrote:Nice comments Doc. I agree 100%. This applies to the Beatles who had to deal with producers but ultimately, they are the reason of the success.drjohncarpenter wrote:I don't recall Bob Finkel or Steve Binder singing a single note -- or playing any instrument -- at any live or studio session done for the 1968 NBC-TV Special.carolynlm wrote:Elvis did make the 68 Special his own, that's very true, but he had a lot of help from the producers ...
Without said singing and playing, as done in earth-shattering fashion by Elvis, we would not have anything to discuss in 2006.
Good points...spot on IMOKHoots wrote:I think the reality lies somewhere in the middle. The producer wears many hats, one of which is drawing out the talent of those with whom he is working. He or she is responsible to get the most out of the people involved, and Steve Binder did that because he wouldn't settle for anything less.
Elvis was fabulous during the '68 Special--never was he better, in my opinion. But it took a lot of prodding to wrestle what we saw out of Elvis, who, prior to the taping, was very unsure that anyone would still accept him. I believe Steve Binder's biggest contribution to the show was making Elvis believe in himself again. Once he did that, it was all Elvis.
I agree. If it wasn't for Binder....NON COMEBACK! NO "IF I CAN DREAM"... Binder gave Elvis almost a kick in the rear to get out to perform...then and only then did Elvis let loose (good crowd reaction) after being scared shitless.carolynlm wrote:Come on people....are you saying that Elvis didn't need the producer or director the '68 Special? That is ridiculous.....Having these people around meant that Elvis could concentrate on the music and nothing else. Elvis listened to Binder and for once (that we know of) stood up to tom parker.....without Binder, would we have had the sit down shows in that particular format? I don't think so....as I said, it was normal for Elvis to sit down with a few mates and jam...nothing special to him, but Binder saw something there that would ultimately appeal to an audience, and he was right.JYM wrote:Nice comments Doc. I agree 100%. This applies to the Beatles who had to deal with producers but ultimately, they are the reason of the success.drjohncarpenter wrote:I don't recall Bob Finkel or Steve Binder singing a single note -- or playing any instrument -- at any live or studio session done for the 1968 NBC-TV Special.carolynlm wrote:Elvis did make the 68 Special his own, that's very true, but he had a lot of help from the producers ...
Without said singing and playing, as done in earth-shattering fashion by Elvis, we would not have anything to discuss in 2006.
Sitdown shows could be unforgettable without Alan Fortas and Charlie Hodge. Steve Binder must have ask elvis who is those anouying guys. Alan Fortas had no rhythm feeling he spoil the all sound Fontana try to warn him several times but Binder must have kick his big ass out the sessions. and Charlie annoy me with his artificial laughs.JLGB wrote:I agree. If it wasn't for Binder....NON COMEBACK! NO "IF I CAN DREAM"... Binder gave Elvis almost a kick in the rear to get out to perform...then and only then did Elvis let loose (good crowd reaction) after being scared shitless.carolynlm wrote:Come on people....are you saying that Elvis didn't need the producer or director the '68 Special? That is ridiculous.....Having these people around meant that Elvis could concentrate on the music and nothing else. Elvis listened to Binder and for once (that we know of) stood up to tom parker.....without Binder, would we have had the sit down shows in that particular format? I don't think so....as I said, it was normal for Elvis to sit down with a few mates and jam...nothing special to him, but Binder saw something there that would ultimately appeal to an audience, and he was right.JYM wrote:Nice comments Doc. I agree 100%. This applies to the Beatles who had to deal with producers but ultimately, they are the reason of the success.drjohncarpenter wrote:I don't recall Bob Finkel or Steve Binder singing a single note -- or playing any instrument -- at any live or studio session done for the 1968 NBC-TV Special.carolynlm wrote:Elvis did make the 68 Special his own, that's very true, but he had a lot of help from the producers ...
Without said singing and playing, as done in earth-shattering fashion by Elvis, we would not have anything to discuss in 2006.
But remember, especially in Charlie's case, the guys provided Elvis a huge security blanket. Did they contribute musically? No, but Elvis felt more comfortable having them there, and it's impossible to gauge how important that was. Their "job" was to help Elvis bring out of himself exactly what we saw. If that meant forced laughter at a joke(s) already been told, so be it. Binder gets a lot of credit for having the vision and foresight to understand that.Erhan wrote:...Sitdown shows could be unforgettable without Alan Fortas and Charlie Hodge...Alan Fortas had no rhythm feeling he spoil the all sound Fontana try to warn him several times but Binder must have kick his big ass out the sessions...and Charlie annoy me with his artificial laughs...
KHoots wrote:But remember, especially in Charlie's case, the guys provided Elvis a huge security blanket. Did they contribute musically? No, but Elvis felt more comfortable having them there, and it's impossible to gauge how important that was. Their "job" was to help Elvis bring out of himself exactly what we saw. If that meant forced laughter at a joke(s) already been told, so be it. Binder gets a lot of credit for having the vision and foresight to understand that.Erhan wrote:...Sitdown shows could be unforgettable without Alan Fortas and Charlie Hodge...Alan Fortas had no rhythm feeling he spoil the all sound Fontana try to warn him several times but Binder must have kick his big ass out the sessions...and Charlie annoy me with his artificial laughs...
And, I believe the sitdown shows already are unforgettable.
Right you are, Colin!!!!!But can we as a group of hardcore fans at least agree it was great??? Amazingly, it seems not.......ColinB wrote:Not the final chapter !Scatter wrote:Great points as always Hoots........the 68 Special was indeed a beginning, and Aloha the closing.......sadly so.
But a great final chapter anyway.
Penultimate, maybe.
It was great!!!Scatter wrote:Right you are, Colin!!!!!But can we as a group of hardcore fans at least agree it was great??? Amazingly, it seems not.......ColinB wrote:Not the final chapter !Scatter wrote:Great points as always Hoots........the 68 Special was indeed a beginning, and Aloha the closing.......sadly so.
But a great final chapter anyway.
Penultimate, maybe.
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