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Tue May 23, 2006 1:31 pm

Luuk wrote: Shelby Singleton said the bootleggers had 32 minutes of tapes lasting 2 1/2 hours.


What, when played at the wrong speed ?

Oh, I get it now; we've only had 32 minutes of the original tapes which last a total of 2 1/2 hours !
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Tue May 23, 2006 1:39 pm

ColinB wrote:
Luuk wrote: Shelby Singleton said the bootleggers had 32 minutes of tapes lasting 2 1/2 hours.


What, when played at the wrong speed ?


If Shelby Singleton was correct we now have some 90+ minutes of the 150. According to what I have heard Ernst Jorgensen claims the remainder (some 60 minutes i.e. 1 or 2 tapes) is having terrible sound and Elvis off mike.
Reconsider baby is on that tape/those 2 tapes.

Ger, if you think that it was Charlie Feathers on that tape, can you imagine the disappointment of a lof of fans? The Million Dollar Quartet recording was talked about quite often and was the best there could ever be in the history of rock and roll.

THEM DAMN BOOTLEGS...!

Tue May 23, 2006 1:52 pm

... Luuk,

...A: I was not told, it was the MDQ

...B: I wasnt aware, It was Elvis imitating Hank Snow!

... By the way, I dont think Ernst has the remainder...

Shelby, I think, was talking bollocks, as he often did!

Tue May 23, 2006 1:59 pm

Ger, I have no idea if Shelby Singleton told the truth or not.
At the time we only had the bootleg with 32 minutes. IMO this was the first tape.
Since then we got the last tape plus some odd recordings from in-between the first and the last tape.
Anyway, those days were great with previously unheard recordings seeing the light of day but MDQ for me was not the much rumoured highlight. In fact I hardly ever play it.

Tue May 23, 2006 2:11 pm

Luuk wrote:Anyway, those days were great with previously unheard recordings seeing the light of day but MDQ for me was not the much rumoured highlight.
In fact I hardly ever play it.


Yes, for many years [before their release] the MDQ recordings were a sort of Holy Grail.

But when they eventually appeared, the release seemed to 'dribble' onto the market with little or no fanfare or hype.

The songs make fascinating listening, but were an anit-climax at best when they made their debut.

Maybe they could be re-mastered to make them sound better ?

Tue May 23, 2006 3:20 pm

ColinB wrote: Maybe they could be re-mastered to make them sound better ?


A few overdubs and remixing could work wonders!!! :wink:


:wink: :wink: :wink:

THEM DAMN BOOTLEGS...!

Tue May 23, 2006 5:51 pm

... With a bit of luck, my bud, Memphis Flash, will post some

Radio Recorders Studio related photos here, tonight, or

tomorrow night! I took these, while doing research, with

Ernst, back in the 80s...

Flash, just scan the stuff, and I will add the captions, on a

seperate thread. Okay?! Saves you some time, so you

can dance The Clam, with your youngest, tonight! :lol:

Tue May 23, 2006 8:39 pm

Luuk wrote:If Shelby Singleton was correct we now have some 90+ minutes of the 150. According to what I have heard Ernst Jorgensen claims the remainder (some 60 minutes i.e. 1 or 2 tapes) is having terrible sound and Elvis off mike. Reconsider baby is on that tape/those 2 tapes.

Shelby was not correct. And Ernst never claimed sixty minutes remains to be heard. "Reconsider Baby" is not taken from one of those "tapes," either.

DJC

Tue May 23, 2006 8:49 pm

ColinB wrote:
The songs make fascinating listening, but were an anit-climax at best when they made their debut.
There was at least one bootleg that was released as a sound and time (longer) upgrade, like Elvis Rocks And The Girls Roll was the boot to get for a better sounding rehearsal 68. The BMG release of Million Dollar Quartet is pale in sound (noise reduction) to the Sun semi official release the year before.Image

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Tue May 23, 2006 9:37 pm

Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff wrote:... With a bit of luck, my bud, Memphis Flash, will post some

Radio Recorders Studio related photos here, tonight, or

tomorrow night! I took these, while doing research, with

Ernst, back in the 80s...

Flash, just scan the stuff, and I will add the captions, on a

seperate thread. Okay?! Saves you some time, so you

can dance The Clam, with your youngest, tonight! :lol:


You're in Luck Ger 8) here they are

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Enterance to Radio Recorders Studio, Hollywood

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playback machine from the 1950's at RR

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Thorne Nogar listening to an Elvis Tape in his studio

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Label of acetate cut at RR

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Bones Howe once assistant of Thorne at RR

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Original safety copy of "Is It So Strange" a.o.

That's what Ger send me, I've copyrighted two of the pictures, don't want to see them back in some Chech bootleg ...
:D :D

Tue May 23, 2006 9:43 pm

Cool pix!

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Tue May 23, 2006 10:02 pm

... Flash, THANKS!

So many illustrations from my books have been ripped, that, yes,

putting my name on two, wasnt a bad idea, Flash!

I have a lot more "goodies", I would like to share, with you all.

Any interest, in reading handwritten letters, from Marion Keisker?

She replied to my letters, a couple of times, back in 87...

Maybe, together with some other Sun related rarities, this coming

weekend?!

Lemme know!

Tue May 23, 2006 10:16 pm

Ger this is a great topic very intresting i learn something new everyday on this mb thanks


jess :D

Tue May 23, 2006 11:30 pm

That Thorne Nogar sure looks like a cool gentleman, when did you snap these pics Gerry? Looks like the 80´s, I notice Bones Howe has stacked some CD´s on the rack so must be 80´s at least.
Now how about finally publishing the cancelled book TRUE LEGENDS, I remember paying for it and then getting a refund informing that the publication had been withdrawn. Now is the hour...More stories...

Tue May 23, 2006 11:34 pm

i wonder what elvis session tape Thorne Nogar is listening to

jess :roll:

Tue May 23, 2006 11:49 pm

Maybe the King Creole-sessions, imagine outtakes of Trouble and the other cool sazzy jazzy tunes from that golden movie!

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Wed May 24, 2006 12:45 am

Any interest in reading handwritten letters from Marion Keisker?

She replied to my letters, a couple of times, back in 87...

Maybe, together with some other Sun related rarities, this coming

weekend?! I'll also post photos of my pet racoon.


Bring 'em on, Ger! Would love to read what Marion had to say. Would also love to see your pet racoon. What's his name? Does he have tallhair as well? Is he one of those rare tallhair racoons?

Wed May 24, 2006 1:41 am

JLGB wrote:The BMG release of Million Dollar Quartet is pale in sound (noise reduction) to the Sun semi official release the year before.

This 1989 set on Charly (UK) was a straight copy of the 2 LP bootleg release from six months prior. The 1990 BMG release was probably from tape source.

DJC

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Wed May 24, 2006 1:43 am

Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff wrote:Any interest, in reading handwritten letters, from Marion Keisker?

YES!

Please make it a new thread, something like "Marion and the SUN Legacy"!

And ASAP!!!

DJC

Wed May 24, 2006 2:04 am

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Wed May 24, 2006 2:16 am

Funnily enough, when they released the "Reconsider baby" segement from MDQ a couple of years later on the 50's box set (1992) it featured *much improved sound* compared to the 1990 MDQ release, almost as if a much better generation of tape sources was used for that one. I don't think BMG had these tapes in their possession at the time MDQ was first released and probably only acquired them later. Once can only hope that one day the entire session will be re-released from the best tape sources available with adequate mastering and restored sequencing.

Wed May 24, 2006 2:25 am

thenexte wrote:"Reconsider baby" ... almost as if a much better generation of tape sources was used ...

Not almost, but actually.

thenexte wrote:I don't think BMG had these ... at the time MDQ was first released and probably only acquired them later.

Correct. They really had to "shake" things up to find another source.

thenexte wrote:Once can only hope that one day the entire session will be re-released from the best tape sources available with adequate mastering and restored sequencing.

It sounds SO excellent in the correct order, with ALL the extant peices in place. And such a reissue is something I've advocated for several years now. Given a lack of BMG interest in the 1950s material, as dictated by the marketplace, a "deluxe" FTD would really be sweet.

DJC

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Thu May 25, 2006 4:51 am

Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff wrote:Thanks for posting, Mike.

Maybe, it was a co production, between Richard & Vic...?

When I met up again, with Vic, in the early 80s, his spare bedroom,

housed several boxes with the GS album...

I heard Richard took his own life. Either in jail, or shortly after he

got out :( ... Any truth in that story?

Richard Minor, was a very nice guy. Dammit! Most of the Boot Yanks

were good dudes. They knew the risk, but their punishment was

way over the top!

Pat, thanks for your list! It helps, dating the US boots.


Ger:
It might have been a co-production - I am not sure. But, I think Vic may have been tied up with the authorities when Richard produced the LP. From the book I read, which quote Richard from an interview with the author, Richard was still alive in the 1990s, but he had gotten out of the business. He really perferred vinyl and the glorious covers.

As for Richard Minor, I don't know what happened to him - he was mentioned in passing in the book. Thank god fro Vic and all the rest of these guys otherwise I doubt their would be an FTD series now.

Hope all is well, Ger. Keep up your great posts and the awsome pics.

them damn bootlegs

Thu May 25, 2006 9:39 am

......... VIC, the continuing story [ part 4]

... Im dizzy,walking on clouds, when we leave the Hilton

showroom. Looking at my lady, I give her a big grin.

She smiles back at me. I cant find the right words, to

describe, how happy I feel!... After nearly 20 years,

I finally got to see Elvis in the flesh. All 6 feet of him!

Outside, theres a cold wind blowing. We decide on taking

a taxi, back to The Holiday Inn.

The driver, asks, if we enjoyed the show...?

From our reply, he figures, were not Americans.

..."Where you from?" ... Holland???!!!

"You travelled all the way from Europe, to see Elvis Presley?!"

"Dont miss out on Wayne Newton, hes really big, here in Vegas!"

We dont want to be rude... and give him a friendly nod.

...Wayne, frikkin Newton!

We head straight for the Bar!

... Vic, slightly drunk, asks: "Well...? Was he good?"...

We go over some of the highlights, with him.

..."Frikkin magnifico!... The Party, here tonight, sucked big time!"

Why? What went wrong, we ask Vic ?

..... [ To Be Continued, After a Quick Breakfast Break...]

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Thu May 25, 2006 11:00 am

Was that quick enough for you, as it was for me? :D
______________________________________________

..." There was a good crowd, but after the showing of The

Dorsey footage, they quickly left. Hardly sold any boots at

all!"... Im trying to explain, the majority of the fans, especially

those from The UK, hardly have any pocket money, at all,

during their stay in Vegas, this week! "They saved for years,

to make the trip, and get tickets for the Elvis shows!"

... "some survive on just a 0. 99 $ breakfast, each and

every day..." Buying a $ 10 boot, is a luxery, they cant afford".

... Vic understands.

While more, and more fans, are coming back, from the Elvis

show, and plaster against the Bar, sharing their super souvenirs,

with other fans, we leave the crowded Bar, and continue our

conversation , with Vic, in the Hotel Lobby.

... " Im about to get a box full of session tapes, shortly!"

The Colonna grin, is back on his face.

... "Hours and hours, of never before heard outtakes!"

"Its stuff, recorded at Radio Recorders, in Hollywood!" [ *** ]

... This is the moment, for my lady, to make a speedo return,

to the Bar!..... "Outtakes?" ... And off, she is!

________________ Coffee break. To be continued!...

[ *** ] See page 10, for photos of RR related.