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Detroit Disaster, September 29, 1974...?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:06 pm

... While browsing thru some old Strictly Elvis mags, yesterday,

I came across an interesting review, from editor Rocky Barra.

A true die hard American Elvis fan.

... Here are some remarks from SE, issue 80, dec. 74 :

"However, I saw two shows that were quite a bit different...

September 29, in Detroit, and the afternoon of October 5, in Indianapolis.

If I were being kind, I would say they were poor... if I had to be honest,

I would say they were AWFUL!

I honestly couldnt believe my eyes [ and ears].

... For the Detroit show, which was the first show I saw on the tour,

Elvis sang 14 songs, and was only on stage for 30 minutes.

He also let Voice and The Stamps sing 3 songs while he stood at the back

of the stage. There wasnt a single show- stopping song [ Trilogy,

Bridge, Polk Salad, etc.] included.

...He also used some of the worst and unnecessary language from

the stage Ive ever heard."

... This afternoon show followed the 2 infamous ones from College

Park, performed sep27, and sep. 28.

... Anybody out there, whos got a copy of the Detroit disaster ?

By the way, Rocky, in those innocent years, ended his review

stating : "Elvis is not on drugs..."

... Quite a remarkable observation made in 1974, in an Elvis

fanclub monthly.

Hmm

Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:42 pm

Hmm I wonder what Rocky have seen. There was no show when Elvis was on stage 30 minutes - except for his 50s shows. Detroit was probably very poor concert but ... the running time was normal ... means Elvis was on stage more than 65 minutes...

Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:56 pm

The tracklisting for the Detroit show is as follows:
C.C. Rider
I Got A Woman / Amen
Love Me
Blue Suede Shoes
It's Midnight
Big Boss Man
Fever
If You Love Me (Let Me Know)
Love Me Tender
Hound Dog
Band Introductions
Lawdy Miss Clawdy
Teddy Bear / Don't Be Cruel
Heartbreak Hotel
Why Me Lord
Let Me Be There
Hawaiian Wedding Song
Johnny B. Goode
Sreamroller Blues
Funny How Time Slips Away
Can't Help Falling In Love


There were obviously more than 14 songs and he didn't let Voice and the Stamps sing three of them.

I'm not sure where old Rocky was that night, but it sounds like it definitely was not Detroit.

Mon Sep 04, 2006 12:58 pm

Rocky probably meant Elvis sung for only 30 minutes.. that's credible..
I've also heard this was a very poor concert.. wasn't it an afternoon performance?

The 2:30 Indianapolis show ain't that bad though.. I would call it "uninspired"

Boy, this was a weird tour :?

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:11 pm

Well there is no way how Elvis could sing it just for 30 minutes... unless some of these songs were instrumental ones :-)

detroit disaster

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:25 pm

... Yes, it was an afternoon show. Elvis played Detroit once again on

october 4. That is the fairly good one, out of the 2 Detroit shows.

But... Elvis would take yet another nose dive on the 5th, in

Indianapolis! Rocky wrote, in the same article : "The same exact thing

at the Indianapolis matinee." ... "but Im not talking about an "off night",

it didnt even seem like Elvis up on stage. The reviews in the papers were

bad, and they should have been."<

I think, the Detroit concert, you guys have, is dated incorrectly.

As quite a few cassetes are, from those years.

... Rocky wasnt a fool. If he mentions 30 min. of Elvis "alive"

on stage, and 3 songs performed by the backing singers, to me

thats the correct information.

... Rocky, on Detroit, once again:

"He was not into a single song, held his head down for most of the

show, and mumbled so much that not a single comment could be

heard by 90% of the audience."<

... Time to change the dates on your audience cassettes, guys!

Re: detroit disaster

Mon Sep 04, 2006 1:35 pm

Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff wrote:Time to change the dates on your audience cassettes, guys!

Even when he clearly makes reference to the fact that he is in Detroit?

Just a gut feeling, but I think I'll trust Elvis on this one.

detroit disaster

Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:02 pm

... Well... Rob, what else do you exspect him to say, doing a 2nd gig

5 days after the one he did on the 29th?! By the way, the 30 min. show

is also mentioned in The Concert Years 69- 77, page 133.

... And adds to this "strange" tour, the matinee show, on the 6th,

in Dayton, Ohio, was also poor in presentation...

Gawd, these shows would make a fine Profile box vol. 3 ! :D

Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:05 pm

I have several of the shows from the September / October tour of 1974. They are the ones that I listen to the least. I have a hard time believing that I'm actually looking forward to this new College Park show that is about to be released.

Morbid curiosity at it's best.

detroit disaster

Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:07 pm

... Why did you change your text that said "Its good to be back in Detroit",

Rob? You know Rocky was right! Cmon admit it!

Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:09 pm

I don't know anything about Rocky, and guess what.......

detroit disaster

Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:21 pm

... and you dont give a flyin f...!

Well, for your information, mr. sourgrape, Rocky Barra edited the

best US Elvis mag ever, during the late 60s and a big part of the

70s : Strictly Elvis. He, and numerous writers and photographers

[ Heis, Shaver, a.o ] gave us first hand information on what was

going on in the Elvis world. So I dont give a flyin f... either if you make

dumb remarks about someone you dont even know, or his very

important role in Elvis fan mag history!

Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:31 pm

I just hate it when somebody calls me a grape.

detroit disaster

Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:41 pm

... Is it that though, Rob, to be corrected on your 70s know how,

by a 50s fan?! Must be, by the way you react...

Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:46 pm

You're only a 50's fan, Ger? I didn't know that.

I'll take Elvis anytime, whether it be the 50's, 60's or 70's. I was just havin' a little fun with you. Take a chill pill and I'll talk to you after your nap, old feller.

Nighty night.

Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:07 pm

Rob wrote:The tracklisting for the Detroit show is as follows:
C.C. Rider
I Got A Woman / Amen
Love Me
Blue Suede Shoes
It's Midnight
Big Boss Man
Fever
If You Love Me (Let Me Know)
Love Me Tender
Hound Dog
Band Introductions
Lawdy Miss Clawdy
Teddy Bear / Don't Be Cruel
Heartbreak Hotel
Why Me Lord
Let Me Be There
Hawaiian Wedding Song
Johnny B. Goode
Sreamroller Blues
Funny How Time Slips Away
Can't Help Falling In Love


There were obviously more than 14 songs and he didn't let Voice and the Stamps sing three of them.

I'm not sure where old Rocky was that night, but it sounds like it definitely was not Detroit.


Maybe it was Mr. Barra who was high that night, because my friend attended that show and said it was great.

Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:14 pm

Strictly Elvis was indeed a fine mag.

I had it from first issue (Spring 1968, I believe) for 5 years. It came out just at the right time, with the '68 Special already planned, and took us through the exciting years that followed.

The record reviews, and subequently live show reviews, were exhilerating. I'm fairly sure there was a picture from Elvis in Detroit, 1970, entering the stage, and I thought, "Wow, Elvis looks too thin. Hope his health is OK!". Seems funny, now.

Unfortunately I had to make a financial decision in 1973, because of the cost of an airmail subscription to the UK, and I only have issues 1 to 60 (think I've got my facts right - it was monthly?). Wish I'd seen subsequent issues.

Steve Morse

Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:30 pm

sept -oct,1974 why was elvis not inspirted during this tour was he bored already by this time?

Re: detroit disaster

Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:24 pm

Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff wrote:... Well... Rob, what else do you exspect him to say, doing a 2nd gig

5 days after the one he did on the 29th?! By the way, the 30 min. show

is also mentioned in The Concert Years 69- 77, page 133.

... And adds to this "strange" tour, the matinee show, on the 6th,

in Dayton, Ohio, was also poor in presentation...

Gawd, these shows would make a fine Profile box vol. 3 ! :D


We have already heard 'It's Alright, Okay, You Win' from Detroit on Dragonheart by FTD. Judging by that performance alone could easily end up with an assumption that this show was extremely poor as a whole..! I would not argue...:-)

Regards

Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:54 pm

Aha Ger! You're really a closet 70's Elvis fan! Just what I suspected all along. Turn in your blue suede shoes and gold lame' jacket immediately you false 50's fan! :lol:

detroit disaster

Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:31 pm

... Okay, Rob, young dick... you can call me an old fellar on chill

pills... fine by me. But youre not wigglin your "I know it all" azz out

of this situation by pretending you were having a little fun with me.

No, its me, having fun with you.

Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:44 pm

But youre not wigglin your "I know it all" azz out

of this situation by pretending you were having a little fun with me.

No, its me, having fun with you.


You tell him Ger! :D

Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:44 pm

Ger wrote: Well, for your information, mr. sourgrape, Rocky Barra edited the

best US Elvis mag ever, during the late 60s and a big part of the

70s : Strictly Elvis.

********************************

I agree, a very cool magazine. Very detailed record reviews. I have some issues from the 70's and its interesting to look back at them and read from a "current" perspective, rather than what we have to do now, and that is, looking back.

Rocky was used to seeing Elvis on top of his game and when he wasn't, I am sure Rocky was dissallusioned. It's possible he made an error in the running time because I think that whole tour is available on audience cassette. And Rocky probably wasn't counting the intro's as concert time.

Ger, didn't Rocky quit this mag because of his dissapointment with Elvis.

I remember reading that Paul Lichter stopped going to Elvis concerts at the end of 1975, after seeing him dozens of times.

I wonder how many fans of this time stopped seeing Elvis because they realized he wasn't the Elvis of "that's the way it is" anymore.

Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:48 pm

Detroit, September 29th 2:30 pm(!)...

The Detroit Free Press mentioned positively:
"He looked, and sounded like an atomic testing ground!"
The rest of the account doesn't mention anything out of the ordinary, and even lists Elvis' physical appearance as "lithe and strong looking"

It was reported however Elvis suffered from a temperature of 102..

So this performance gets both positive and poor reviews..
Listening to "Ok, allright, you win" Elvis voice sounds similar to the FTD South Bend show: at times not very strong..

About Indianapolis, I have this show.. allthough in poor sound, it's like the Dayton afternoon show, and that is..better than College Park.
Elvis himself called this show his worst performance ever!

Cheers, RJ

Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:14 pm

ritchie valens wrote:was he bored already by this time?


I think he was bored a while before this. Bearing in mind he had been back on stage for 5 years by this point.