NO OUTTAKES OF HOUND DOG EXIST!

[Tits McGhee]

"Tits" wrote

Why? I mean, it's But if one is going to bash a guy like Bendeth,
do it under your own name.

Like you, you mean. Tits McGhee is my real name - as I've stated many times before

And you're wrong: a big part of the selling (hype, if you will) was in fact
the actual work he put into it, the "improved sound." So all the newspaper
critics and a guys like Piers who wrote positively on this aspect (if
not with some criticism) were all out of it? That's simply not true.

No, no, no. Specialist reviews didn't make my next door neighbour (for example) buy the CD when he saw it in a supermarket. He played it once and then came to me asking what was wrong with 'The Wonder Of You'? "It's not the way I remember it", he said. The CD was such a huge hit because of people like him buying it. I know lots of fans who didn't buy it because of all the mistakes on it. Not everyone wants to rush out and buy every new compilation because it might have a few remastered songs in slightly improved sound on it.

[Gregory Nolan Jr.]

Like you, you mean. Tits McGhee is my real name - as I've stated many times before

I stand corrected.

I agree that it's hard not to factor how much of it was BMG's hype budget
but I do think the educated music buyer (and there are those who
are not 'fans' but like good-sounding, critically-acclaimed music
whose ears perk up when they hear talk about "master tapes" and
"remastering." In in places like the (US-only?) magazine ICE and Goldmine, I swear such talk brought in other general fans.

I witnessed quite a few friends who found their way to it, too. Maybe
they were suckered but without decent sound, they might have not
liked it so much.

I think without that "hook" of "improved sound" (and at least some reality) a lot of news media
might have also tuned out.

In any event, it did work. Could it have worked with echoey '80s
mixes? I doubt it. But thanks for your opinion. We don't have to agree and
I'm pleased to draw out the critics and make them state their case
as I've wondered about this for some time.

[David Bendeth]

THAN A PAIR OF TITS TALKING BEHIND YOUR BACK, DONT STOP NOW, I JUST READ THIS..... GREAT STUFF...MY TEA JUST CAME THROUGH MY NOSE!!
Come on tits get back in there!!!

[ekenee]

Greg Nolan wrote:
You sound totally biased against it. You mean to tell me all the
'60s tracks sound bad? Get real.
I'm not even a huge fan of it
but even I have to concede the improvements on quite a few songs.

Such blanket statements wreak of snobbery.

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Hello, No not biased against it. That is the wrong word. Snobbery...no...again the wrong word. Yes it was a blanket statement. I don't mean all the songs but alot. there are too many songs that sound worse than ever for me to even put it on the player. This tweeking around with sound and experimenting is ok, but don't release it til you have something. But I understand the constraints put on a person by a huge company. But yes, way too many errors on this release.

If it was great, I would say it was great. I am going purely by the sound that comes out of my system based on previous releases on the same songs. For example, the recent releases of the first and second album are the best of that material so far that I have heard. I look forward to the sun box too. So I am not bias, just being honest.

[sam]

THAN A PAIR OF TITS TALKING BEHIND YOUR BACK, DONT STOP NOW, I JUST READ THIS..... GREAT STUFF...MY TEA JUST CAME THROUGH MY NOSE!!
Come on tits get back in there!!!

lmfao!!!

[Tits McGhee]

THAN A PAIR OF TITS TALKING BEHIND YOUR BACK, DONT STOP NOW, I JUST READ THIS..... GREAT STUFF...MY TEA JUST CAME THROUGH MY NOSE!!
Come on tits get back in there!!!

Almost as tragically funny as your version of 'The Wonder Of You'.

[Matthew]

THAN A PAIR OF TITS TALKING BEHIND YOUR BACK, DONT STOP NOW, I JUST READ THIS..... GREAT STUFF...MY TEA JUST CAME THROUGH MY NOSE!!
Come on tits get back in there!!!

Almost as tragically funny as your version of 'The Wonder Of You'.

Seriously, leave it alone. What's your problem anyway. If you don't like the set, don't buy it..it's as simple as that. No need to take a swipe at someone you don't know.

[sam]

Right on Mathew!!!

[Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff]

... One can talk out of his nose about having heard Hound Dog outtakes and get away with it on this mb... Fokkin amazing!

[Elvis' Babe]

i honestly don't know or care about the serious topic on hand here, but one thing--being a person who actually wishes elvis sang several 100 versions less of hound dog:

the fact that somebody named their poor kid tits mcghee is just not getting old anytime soon. i dear hope tits is short for something.

and i thought i was teased in school.

[Juan Luis]

Mr. Bendeth in his farewell address mentioned he disclosed Hound Dog info to someone that he found in other words worthy to decide if he/she will spill the beans! So to speak. So there might be some life left in the old dog! Outtakes that is!

[Tallhair AKA Ger Rijff]

... I already know the answer, like who gives a flyin f... after all these weeks what DB has to say about the outtakes that dont exist in the vaults ?! The guys ego is the size of a weather baloon.

[David Bendeth]

Thats what the cut button is for, use it.

... I already know the answer, like who gives a flyin f... after all these weeks what DB has to say about the outtakes that dont exist in the vaults ?! The guys ego is the size of a weather baloon.

[iamhekev]

And the answer is

[KHoots]

Nobody knows.

[Swingin-Little-Guitar-Man]

I'd rather have the remaining takes of "Going Home" to be honest.....

[Juan Luis]

I'd rather have the remaining takes of "Going Home" to be honest.....

[KiwiAlan]

Those who rail against E1 are sickening!

That project stands alone as the most comprehensive professional treatment of the Elvis catalogue ever done. PERIOD.

Months of loving care were extended by David and his very talented team. Months - compare that to Vic who tosses off up to 5 albums a week! Or less than 30 minutes per track.

On par with David's work would be Kevan and Sebastion. That could be debated. But it is professional versus amatuer. The professional has time restraints and the amatuer has access and equipment restraints.

But to rubbish Davd's work is pure ignorance tinged with a heavy dose of sheer jealousy.

[Juan Luis]

Those who rail against E1 are sickening!

That project stands alone as the most comprehensive professional treatment of the Elvis catalogue ever done. PERIOD.

Months of loving care were extended by David and his very talented team. Months - compare that to Vic who tosses off up to 5 albums a week! Or less than 30 minutes per track.

On par with David's work would be Kevan and Sebastion. That could be debated. But it is professional versus amatuer. The professional has time restraints and the amatuer has access and equipment restraints.

But to rubbish Davd's work is pure ignorance tinged with a heavy dose of sheer jealousy.

What does that have to do with Hound Dog outtake?

[KiwiAlan]

This thread has gone well beyond Hound Dog when I read garbage such as this:-

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I bought it on the hype, and it's the worst sounding disc since the first cd's came out. I can't listen to any of the 60's cuts. Elvis is back on FTD is probably one of the better sounding discs out there and it probably didn't sell more than 10,000 copies. You can't judge merit on sales these days.

E1 was meant for the general public so the sound really didn't have to be that good, because the taste of the general public isn't that good. Witness the charts these days, and the thread on "today's music".
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Ignorance and jealousy

[Juan Luis]

Well I already mentioned I thought it was good but loud. And after reading about the DVD learned a lot. In a positive way. The way I look at it concerning the other outtakes beaten to death. We will never hear an outtake with such sound quality(good) again. So it is not that bad at all!

[traxfax]

On par with David's work would be Kevan and Sebastion. That could be debated. But it is professional versus amatuer. The professional has time restraints and the amatuer has access and equipment restraints..

No it is not professional versus amateur. Though Kevan did a good job, Sebastian's knowledge and ability goes a bit further...

But to rubbish Davd's work is pure ignorance tinged with a heavy dose of sheer jealousy.

Agreed !

[David Bendeth]

This is about time, money and resources. No one has really had that luxury in many years to work on and Elvis record.
. I think we can all agree that if it was anyone that made this record that there would still be major issues big and small adn another 1000 opinions. After all, thats why we are all here isnt it? To always question the possibilities and imagine the options.

I personally would have loved to have heard Tom Dowd's, Arif Mardin, and Glynn Johns version of E1. That combined with Elvis being there in the studio and the re-creation of some of the strings, backgrounds and horns would have been amazing. Just my thoughts.

On par with David's work would be Kevan and Sebastion. That could be debated. But it is professional versus amatuer. The professional has time restraints and the amatuer has access and equipment restraints..

No it is not professional versus amateur. Though Kevan did a good job, Sebastian's knowledge and ability goes a bit further...

But to rubbish Davd's work is pure ignorance tinged with a heavy dose of sheer jealousy.

Agreed !

[Gregory Nolan Jr.]

In case some of you missed it on the other thread:

"ELV1S: Behind The Mix" (a 2002 promo film)


http://s65.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1LUSRQSK1M4O327DP4B3YVHOA5


This link should only be active for just awhile longer. Enjoy.

[ritchie valens]

acetates seem to turn up more of unreleased 1950's songs over tapes.
there is probily more unreleased tapes in collector's hands since the studios
tossed them in the garbage over the yrs.
case being a story ej told me once.
the binaural jan 12,13 and 19,1957 tapes were taken out of the garbage by bones howe. and brought and sold to rca by bones himself.
rca didn't have the binaural tapes orignally they were stored at radio recorders.and thrown out during their cleanout.
someone told bones he better go look in the garbage there were tapes being trashed. maybe the same thing happened at rca in 1959 when tapes were thrown out. one only hopes that that happened there too.
another thing that happened was that the master reel of i don't care if the sun don't shine was located by i think shelby singleton by accident on another artist's tape since sam was known to have reused tapes.
more missing session reels could possibly be found this way by pure luck.
sessions that have been found not known to exist anymore.
july 1954
nov 1955
jan 10-11-,1956
feb 3,1956
april 14,1956
aug 1956
sept 1956
jan 12-13,1957
jan 15-22 1957
jan 19,1957
april 30,1957
may 1957
jan 1958
feb 1,1958 acetates
june 1958
march and april 1960
1964 acetate of roustabout no 2
i believe that there will be a possibily that the
girls,girls girls sessions
kissin cousins sessions
roustabout sessions will be found quicker than the july 2,1956 sessions will.
one can only hope more 50's reels will be located.
i think the creole stereo session reels might turn eventually too.
yes they were recorded in binaural stereo also.
look at the tape box logo in the flashback book it says transferred from two track tape to mono.