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Did Elvis die on purpose?

No. He wanted to continue living longer.
31
43%
Yes. He hoped to escape the world and his pain and problems.
9
13%
Nil. His death was total 100% accident.
32
44%
 
Total votes : 72

Did he or didn't he?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:46 am

A notorious poll perhaps

Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:49 am

Please clarify I'm unsure as to what to vote. By yes do you mean suicide ?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:53 am

well, that's the catch.

You could or could not interpret a "yes" to be suicide. That's up to the voter.

I mean if he died as unexpected accident and woke up in the afterlife so to speak and was told he was now dead,
would he react:
"Good! I'm glad to finally get away from it all. I had enough."

:?:

or react: "No! Not yet. There was so much more I planned to do with my life."

:?:

I honestly don't see him being a guy who'd struggle to stay alive
as if he was looking FORWARD to anything beyond '77
What? 1978? What was he hoping to do?
The same ol' schedule and mgmt plan of a '77, 76, 75.... ?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:10 am

Marriage and more kids, or at least a boy ?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:23 am

Come to Brazil and make some concerts!!! :D
I really donĀ“t what would come next.....

Hi

Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:55 am

Graceland Gardener wrote:

I honestly don't see him being a guy who'd struggle to stay alive
as if he was looking FORWARD to anything beyond '77
What? 1978? What was he hoping to do?
The same ol' schedule and mgmt plan of a '77, 76, 75.... ?

Put like that, everybody lives a humdrum life. Isn't the ordinary workman doing the same year in, year out? At least Elvis lived a much more unique life. I don't think-at least I certainly hope!- Elvis looked upon his life like that.
Ill he was, but I certainly don't think he was suicidal.
Cheers
Simon

Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:09 am

Simon,

but an ordinary workman doesn't have ex-friends putting out a tell-all book on him, revealing the man's dark side and foul language, and violence and drug-use.

Ordinary workman don't have a boss taking 50% of their money and the only way to really sever the ties with that boss is>>death do we part.

Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:18 am

What a stupid bloody poll.GG :roll:

Sean

Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:28 am

He probably felt trapped more than anything. I mean a work-a-day guy can quit his job and start a new career but Elvis had all of these assets to maintain, a fan base that grasped for anything he had a hand in, a manager that felt that the boy owed him, a staff that depended on him, a drug dependancy that delt a large blow to his work ethic and state of mind, and a theatened reputation.

To improve his state of mind and life he would have had to put himself first and said "Well, this is what I have to do to improve things, if that messes with other people's lives then too bad."

Taking a year off pros:
Better health
Restored frame of mind

Taking a year off cons:
No new money (because of sold royaties)
Tom Parker
Fans
No chance to defend his reputation for the year
Fired Staff

It was too much for him to handle in his paranoid and drug addicted state. Rather than considering this he would have taken attack 1 to get away from it. I don't think he ended his life on purpose, but he likely didn't see any other way out.

Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:38 am

He never would have done anything like that on purpose, especially with Lisa in the house.

He never would have wanted her to see him like that.

Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:23 am

Rob,

the Lisa-was-there factor only goes so far.

He knew she was down the hall....
but he called for his 3 pill packs anyway.

He knew she was down the hall....
but he put the pills in his mouth anyway and swallowed.

Overdosing is the act of putting too much/many of them in you.
Which he did on purpose.
....knowing she was there.


Maybe he didn't plan on dying with her right down the hall.
But he willfully took an over-dosage with her right down the hall.


"a 100% accidental death" would be anything from a car/plane wreck to a bolt of lightning, least of which slipping in the tub and hitting his head.

Buddy Holly, for example died from a 100% accidental death.
We know Elvis did not.
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:23 am

I think his religious convictions were too strong for Elvis to even *contemplate* suicide...

Axe

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:38 am

If that were the case then I'm sure his convictions would prevent him from being high almost constantly at that point.

Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:47 am

Elvis didn't want to die, but he sought oblivion. In other words, he didn't go into that bathroom on 8/16/77 and swallow those goddamned pills with the deliberate intent to do himself in. It was just another 'day in the life' for that time period. But the body can only take so much abuse, and his simply gave out on that day. For the previous several years he had been commiting 'Irish suicide' so to speak, but with pills instead of booze.

Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:51 am

Sean Ryan wrote:What a stupid bloody poll.GG

Consider the source.

DJC

Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:55 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Sean Ryan wrote:What a stupid bloody poll.GG

Consider the source.

DJC


The Doc adds nothing!!!


:roll:

Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:56 am

Except the usual insult.



:P

Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:57 am

Graceland Gardener wrote:Rob,

the Lisa-was-there factor only goes so far.

He knew she was down the hall....
but he called for his 3 pill packs anyway.

He knew she was down the hall....
but he put the pills in his mouth anyway and swallowed.

Overdosing is the act of putting too much/many of them in you.
Which he did on purpose.
....knowing she was there.


Maybe he didn't plan on dying with her right down the hall.
But he willfully took an over-dosage with her right down the hall.


"a 100% accidental death" would be anything from a car/plane wreck to a bolt of lightning, least of which slipping in the tub and hitting his head.

Buddy Holly, for example died from a 100% accidental death.
We know Elvis did not.


GG, that doesn't hold anty water at all.

I had a friend who got run over by a car a few years back. He didn't want to die, he didn't want to get run over.

But, he still choose of his own free will to cross the busy road.

He still chose of his own free will to do so in a manner that was not using full due care and attention.

Elvis may have taken the pills freely, but you have to ask the question, did any of his chosen actions take place with the intent of taking his own life or with the intent that he knew he was putting his life in extreme danger.

I believe he thought he was helping himself, not making himself worse.

Ignorance is not the same as knowingly intending.

Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:00 pm

Steve_M wrote:...I believe he thought he was helping himself, not making himself worse...


I don't know about that, Steve. By 1977, Elvis had to know he wasn't doing himself any favors by taking all those pills. He may have convinced himself that he needed to take the stuff, but I don't believe he truly felt he was helping himself.

Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:07 pm

I don't know if he was helping himself or not or if he believed that or not, like you it is only what I believe, not what I know to be true or not.

I even think the worse the pills made him the more he blamed that on his condition and the more he felt he needed to take the pills.

That said he was addicted to some of them. This is why my belief came into play. Like any addict they believe their own myths they tell others in order to get the stuff.

But deliberately take actions with the intent of killing himself ?

Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:28 pm

If Elvis was going to commit suicide then he wouldn't've wanted to be found fallen off the toilet with his pants round his ankles, he was too much of a proud man to have wanted to be remembered like that. Full stop.

Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:32 pm

Steve_M wrote:...I even think the worse the pills made him the more he blamed that on his condition and the more he felt he needed to take the pills...


We are in KHoots with that! :D

Was Elvis intent on killing himself? None of us can know for sure, but I don't believe that to be true.

Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:43 pm

I agree pretty much with what Pete said. I don't believe Elvis entered that bathroom knowing that he would never leave alive. I think it was just the routine. His heart could no longer handle what he was taking because of the years of abuse.

That said, I believe (some conditions notwithstanding, such as the way he was found, etc.) that Elvis would be somewhat ambivilant about dying at that point in his life. He was frequently depressed. I don't think he believed that the pros outweighed the cons or that he had many alternatives to the path he was on. Wasn't it Linda Thompson who quoted Elvis as saying he had, "a self destructive nature." I think that speaks for itself.

He may not have intended to die that day, but I don't think he cared much at that point whether it would eventually happen sooner or later.
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Tue Aug 23, 2005 8:43 pm

[quote="Liverbobs"]If Elvis was going to commit suicide then he wouldn't've wanted to be found fallen off the toilet with his pants round his ankles, he was too much of a proud man to have wanted to be remembered like that. Full stop.[/quote]

This is the #1 reason against suicide. Add to the fact that he was reading porn, not a Jesus book. Elvis would not have been waiting to meet his maker looking at porn.

Ad that the medication that was supposed to replace the Codiene the dentist gave him, was not found in his system. If you are going to kill yourself, why not take that medication also. He made sure it was sent for.

So that drug wasn't used, but the drug that they found the highest concentration of in his body was Codiene. To me it's obvious that he confused the Codiene with the, was it Placidyl? We've heard the stories about his bad reactions in the past to Codiene.

Ok now proceed to beat me up on my spelling.

:oops:

Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:03 pm

Remember, he did tell Linda that he knew he was self destructive. He was a bright guy, he must have known what he was doing to himself on some level. Addicts are self deception masterminds.