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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:03 am

TCB-FAN wrote: How about I leave the FECC all together ?


WWJD :wink:

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:08 am

rjm wrote: I would say that knowledge of "who fired the shots" is a distraction from the more significant issues. It's not about a "whodunit." It's a "whydidit?" It's not the "who" so much as the "why."


'Who' and 'why' are very important. Also 'how', how has a President killer, fooled you guys into championing his innocence, for so long.

Let's cover all the bases.
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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:10 am

rjm wrote:
Mountain Misst wrote:As the Beatles said, "All You Need is Love".

Big hugs, inclusiveness and tolerance are wonderful personality traits.

If someone doesn't like what someone says, as happens to me, I write what I want to say and then keep it to myself.

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I don't keep a lot to myself. I just say generally say what I think, respectfully.

It's a nice song, but there is also "One-Sided Love Affair." So, I try to understand when things fall apart.

Now, if anyone hits the "Thank" button, someone else may take it the wrong way. So, you are all welcome. ;)

rjm

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LOL

Except everyone is responsible for their own behaviour, 100%, not 50/50.

Now, if someone sexy like Elvis wanted me to hug him back, of course I'd have to do it! lol

Now, we need a pause, lol.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:11 am

mike edwards66 wrote:
TCB-FAN wrote: How about I leave the FECC all together ?


WWJD :wink:



He would be loving.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:19 am

Mountain Misst wrote:
mike edwards66 wrote:
TCB-FAN wrote: How about I leave the FECC all together ?


WWJD :wink:



He would be loving.



Amen to that ! :wink:

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:21 am

rjm wrote: So, the task is to find that purpose for which he died. (But, yes, it is necessary to rule out "the impossible," in Holmesian fashion.)


jurasic1968 wrote:About the ballistic experts: I wrote here before on this matter, but I post again: how Oswald shot JFK in 6 seconds with a damaged telescope and an old rifle and three professional shooters couldn't reach the target after the assasiantion even after they repaired the telescope?!?


Ok, I have to stifle a chortle here. Guys, it has long been known and proven that Oswald had both the means and the ability to carry out the crime. Here's a recent reexamination.

As some guy once said, get readin'. It's elementary.

http://www.examiner.com/article/a-look- ... -the-shots
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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:26 am

rjm wrote: Which means you cannot just dispose of this matter and what it means to our future. It's just that over-inspecting the trees can distract from seeing the forest.


Grasshopper, when you can take the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:31 am

mike edwards66 wrote:
rjm wrote: Which means you cannot just dispose of this matter and what it means to our future. It's just that over-inspecting the trees can distract from seeing the forest.


Grasshopper, when you can take the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.


"Grasshopper" me, son, and you may have bitten off more than you can chew. LOL!

rjm
P.S. -- I won't even speculate as to what fate might befall that poor pebble! ;)

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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:07 am

mike edwards66 wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
mike edwards66 wrote:
rjm wrote:The idea that the a briefly accused dead man did it IS a theory


As is the idea that he didn't.


Knowledge is power:
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80145&p=1250042#p1250042

Get readin'!


Thanks for the advice friendly, friend. Have you ever considered a career as a librarian, you may have missed your calling.


In case I had a sliver of doubt you were wasting my time, you have now erased it completely.

Thanks.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:29 pm

mike edwards66 wrote:
rjm wrote: So, the task is to find that purpose for which he died. (But, yes, it is necessary to rule out "the impossible," in Holmesian fashion.)


jurasic1968 wrote:About the ballistic experts: I wrote here before on this matter, but I post again: how Oswald shot JFK in 6 seconds with a damaged telescope and an old rifle and three professional shooters couldn't reach the target after the assasiantion even after they repaired the telescope?!?


Ok, I have to stifle a chortle here. Guys, it has long been known and proven that Oswald had both the means and the ability to carry out the crime. Here's a recent reexamination.

As some guy once said, get readin'. It's elementary.

http://www.examiner.com/article/a-look- ... -the-shots


i read the article, but it's no proof here. There is no proof that Oswald after the army went to a polygon to practice. The evidence is that his rifle was old, cheap and damaged. His last qualification in the army as a shooter was at the lowest level. So if he shoot JFK in 6 seconds with 3 bullets he was the best of the best shooters, regarding the quality of the weapon.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:28 pm

jurasic1968 wrote:
mike edwards66 wrote:
rjm wrote: So, the task is to find that purpose for which he died. (But, yes, it is necessary to rule out "the impossible," in Holmesian fashion.)


jurasic1968 wrote:About the ballistic experts: I wrote here before on this matter, but I post again: how Oswald shot JFK in 6 seconds with a damaged telescope and an old rifle and three professional shooters couldn't reach the target after the assasiantion even after they repaired the telescope?!?


Ok, I have to stifle a chortle here. Guys, it has long been known and proven that Oswald had both the means and the ability to carry out the crime. Here's a recent reexamination.

As some guy once said, get readin'. It's elementary.

http://www.examiner.com/article/a-look- ... -the-shots


i read the article, but it's no proof here. There is no proof that Oswald after the army went to a polygon to practice. The evidence is that his rifle was old, cheap and damaged. His last qualification in the army as a shooter was at the lowest level. So if he shoot JFK in 6 seconds with 3 bullets he was the best of the best shooters, regarding the quality of the weapon.


To offer some degree of levity, back then if you were a bad shot, they said you had "Maggie's Drawers." (It meant you "shoot like a girl.")

Nowadays, of course, "Maggie" herself does her share of real shootin'!

Which goes to show this happened a real long time ago. And yet it still matters. And it matters enough to get folks plenty riled up. As it should for many reasons.

Will we ever know everything? As for the "game" of it, that's impossible; many documents were destroyed. Not classified: destroyed.

Now why do you suppose that would happen? (Strictly a rhetorical question.)

rjm

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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 3:57 pm

rjm, thanks for your reply. Regarding rethorical questions: I think all of us wondered if in that fateful morning of August 16 1977 Linda Thompson was at Graceland instead of Ginger she could save Elvis' life like she did before.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:41 pm

53 years later, and here we are.

I came across an interesting speech by Vincent J. Salandria that some may wish to read.

It certainly impressed the legendary Noam Chomsky:

On November 21, 1998, I delivered a two-hour speech in Dallas (at COPA) espousing the thesis of a high-level national security state plot to kill President Kennedy, and that any concept of a renegade conspiratorial killing was irrational.

On November 23, 1998, I sent a copy of that speech to Professor Noam Chomsky, who had long declared a high-level conspiracy to be irrational. I wrote him: "I have that kind of perverse nature that only benefits from negative criticism. Could you find time to provide some?"

On February 16, 1999, Professor Chomsky replied: "It [the speech] is a lucid presentation of the conclusions that you and others have reached." Lucid in dictionaries is defined as rational. Therefore, Professor Chomsky no longer shares the view that a high-level institutional conspiracy explanation of the assassination is irrational.

http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2012/01/tale-of-tapes-by-vincent-salandria_31.html



Read the speech here:

"The JFK Assassination: A False Mystery Concealing State Crimes" by Vincent J. Salandria
Coalition on Political Assassinations Conference, Dallas, Texas - 20 November 1998

https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/Unspeakable/COPA1998VJS.html

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:05 pm

I have spent 33 years studying the assassination. I believe that Oswald was not the shooter.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:44 pm

mark wrote:I have spent 33 years studying the assassination. I believe that Oswald was not the shooter.


Vincent J. Salandria agrees. He makes a very good speech, check it out.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:19 am

Idiot, tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists. :D :facep:

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:37 am

rocknroll wrote:Idiot, tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists. :D :facep:
How many decades have you studied the assassination?

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:20 pm

Oswald was the patsy, right.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:57 pm

rocknroll wrote:Idiot, tin foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists.


What a rude post.

Vincent J. Salandria disagrees. He makes a very good speech, check it out.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Sat Nov 26, 2016 3:48 pm

Yeas, the speech is very good and put the "Crime of the Century" in a historical context. Thanks a lot, Doc.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:25 am

Lee Harvey Oswald fired two shots.
One that missed the motorcade altogether, and a second that hit Kennedy in the back and exited his throat and then hit Connelly. (aka the *proven "Magic Bullet Theory debunked")

The third and final fatal head shot can be found here:


*Magic Bullet Theory debunked as single shot #2


Single Bullet Theory Test

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:51 am

jurasic1968 wrote:Yeas, the speech is very good and put the "Crime of the Century" in a historical context. Thanks a lot, Doc.


My pleasure.

It runs nearly 12,000 words, and I question how many here will take the time to read it. Instead we see yet further debates about shooters, and the single bullet theory. But for those who really want answers, it does the job.

Two of the most important paragraphs come near the end of Vincent Salandria's speech.

In providing us with a commitment to a sole assassin killing or an assassination by the Mafia, Castro, Soviet or low-level rogue U.S. group, while providing us with extensive evidence of a high-level conspiracy, the national security state seeks to paralyze our thinking processes. Through Orwellian doublethink the government successfully involved us in years of fruitless debate as to the microanalytic details of how the assassination was executed and what obscure meaning the assassination had on our lives. Through this Orwellian doublethink the government sends us clear signals. It instructs us that if bullets could remove a constitutionally-elected president, and the murderers go unpunished, then we should not take seriously U.S. politics. It instructs us that we should not entertain hopes of accomplishing a truthful explanation of the meaning of the killing.

[snip]

The assassination of President Kennedy and its handling by the government and its compliant media were designed to accomplish not only the firing by gunshots of a President, but also were aimed at mind-manipulation and paralysis of our people. The fact that we have been debating this assassination for thirty-five years demonstrates that the national security state has enjoyed considerable success in accomplishing its goal. By debating the meaning of the assassination of President Kennedy we have served the purpose of our military-intelligence complex to mystify the obvious.




Debating = a fruitless endeavor, mystifying the obvious.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:32 pm

i also liked this paragraph:

To understand fully the nature of the assassination and its coverup one has to view it from an historical perspective. We must look back at least to the year 1898 to examine the militarizing of this country – a process which eventually led to President Kennedy’s assassination.

In 1898 President William McKinley, pursuant to a congressional resolution, authorized the use of United States armed forces to engage the Spanish forces in Cuba. This congressional resolution was followed by a declaration of war against Spain. This splendid little war led the way to an American Empire built upon the strength of the U.S. military. We acquired through this imperialistic effort Puerto Rico, and the Philippine Islands, and we subjected Cuba to a semi-colonial status.

Those conquests failed to satiate our hunger for empire. In the continuing quest to expand our imperialist power we truncated democracy in our nation. Political reform efforts of the progressive period were abandoned. Our oligarchs saw the acquisition of an empire as a means of diverting the American people from the struggle for political reform. struggle for political reform.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:20 am

I go back and forth on this all the time. There are times Im convinced Oswald acted alone, and then there are times I think he couldnt have. We will never really know how good a marksman he was after he left the Marines. He could have been excellent by November 22, 1963, who knows, but yet there are so many loose ends to the assassination. And what gets me most of all, is they say Ruby killed him as part of the whole plot. The coverup to stop him from talking. Well Ruby was rotting away in jail for several year before he died. Why wasnt he interrogated more forcibly? I just dont know what happened that day, but I do remember being called into the school auditorium for the announcement and being sent home. I remember that vividly.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:27 am

It was the same person who shot JR Ewing that shot JFK , I am sure of it :lol: