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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:24 pm

And experts all agree, in real coutrooms? Really? Seriously?

The truth? The truth is that NO ONE was ever convicted of this crime!

That is not a "theory." That is history. The idea that the a briefly accused dead man did it IS a theory, never adjudicated in court.

That is the only historical truth.

rjm

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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Fri Feb 07, 2014 9:12 pm

rjm wrote:And experts all agree, in real coutrooms? Really? Seriously?

The truth? The truth is that NO ONE was ever convicted of this crime!

That is not a "theory." That is history. The idea that the a briefly accused dead man did it IS a theory, never adjudicated in court.

That is the only historical truth.



Thank you.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:38 pm

rjm wrote:The idea that the a briefly accused dead man did it IS a theory


As is the idea that he didn't.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:05 pm

mike edwards66 wrote:
rjm wrote:The idea that the a briefly accused dead man did it IS a theory


As is the idea that he didn't.


Knowledge is power:
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80145&p=1250042#p1250042

Get readin'!

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:58 am

Here's the absolute truth.....The American people will NEVER know who ACTUALLY fired those shots at President Kennedy in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas @ 12:30 PM CST on November 22, 1963. You can take that to the bank. The JFK Assassination, I'm afraid will forever be shrouded in mystery as to 'who dunnit' and why. There is just not enough conclusive and absolute evidence to justify that.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Sat Feb 08, 2014 7:38 pm

About the ballistic experts: I wrote here before on this matter, but I post again: how Oswald shot JFK in 6 seconds with a damaged telescope and an old rifle and three professional shooters couldn't reach the target after the assasiantion even after they repaired the telescope?!?

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:09 am

TCB-FAN wrote:Here's the absolute truth.....The American people will NEVER know who ACTUALLY fired those shots at President Kennedy in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas @ 12:30 PM CST on November 22, 1963. You can take that to the bank. The JFK Assassination, I'm afraid will forever be shrouded in mystery as to 'who dunnit' and why. There is just not enough conclusive and absolute evidence to justify that.


I guess you can leave the topic now. Thanks!

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:10 am

jurasic1968 wrote:About the ballistic experts: I wrote here before on this matter, but I post again: how Oswald shot JFK in 6 seconds with a damaged telescope and an old rifle and three professional shooters couldn't reach the target after the assasiantion even after they repaired the telescope?!?


These are parlor games, and exist solely to distract from the real questions that every good citizen should ask.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:13 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
TCB-FAN wrote:Here's the absolute truth.....The American people will NEVER know who ACTUALLY fired those shots at President Kennedy in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas @ 12:30 PM CST on November 22, 1963. You can take that to the bank. The JFK Assassination, I'm afraid will forever be shrouded in mystery as to 'who dunnit' and why. There is just not enough conclusive and absolute evidence to justify that.


I guess you can leave the topic now. Thanks!



Wouldn't this be the situation, though, Doc? I don't understand why you aren't being inclusive.

This topic interests me.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:23 am

Mountain Misst wrote:Wouldn't this be the situation, though, Doc? I don't understand why you aren't being inclusive.

This topic interests me.


Check my reading list, pick up some of choices, invest some time in what they report, and draw your own conclusion.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:35 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
TCB-FAN wrote:Here's the absolute truth.....The American people will NEVER know who ACTUALLY fired those shots at President Kennedy in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas @ 12:30 PM CST on November 22, 1963. You can take that to the bank. The JFK Assassination, I'm afraid will forever be shrouded in mystery as to 'who dunnit' and why. There is just not enough conclusive and absolute evidence to justify that.


I guess you can leave the topic now. Thanks!



How about I leave the FECC all together ? I'm sure you'd like that a lot. Thanks to your wisecracks & agenda based bias over the past few months, I've seriously considered it several times.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:03 am

TCB-FAN wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
TCB-FAN wrote:Here's the absolute truth.....The American people will NEVER know who ACTUALLY fired those shots at President Kennedy in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas @ 12:30 PM CST on November 22, 1963. You can take that to the bank. The JFK Assassination, I'm afraid will forever be shrouded in mystery as to 'who dunnit' and why. There is just not enough conclusive and absolute evidence to justify that.


I guess you can leave the topic now. Thanks!



How about I leave the FECC all together ? I'm sure you'd like that a lot. Thanks to your wisecracks & agenda based bias over the past few months, I've seriously considered it several times.


Whatever you choose to do or not do is up to you.

All I suggest is that, with your post of "absolute truth," you have clearly reached the limits of what you can contribute to this particular topic.

But, hey, prove us wrong. ;-)

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:33 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Mountain Misst wrote:Wouldn't this be the situation, though, Doc? I don't understand why you aren't being inclusive.

This topic interests me.


Check my reading list, pick up some of choices, invest some time in what they report, and draw your own conclusion.


This is a public forum, and inclusiveness is needed. This makes me sad that people feel that they have to leave for giving an opinion which most people would agree with anyway.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:38 am

TCB-FAN wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
TCB-FAN wrote:Here's the absolute truth.....The American people will NEVER know who ACTUALLY fired those shots at President Kennedy in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas @ 12:30 PM CST on November 22, 1963. You can take that to the bank. The JFK Assassination, I'm afraid will forever be shrouded in mystery as to 'who dunnit' and why. There is just not enough conclusive and absolute evidence to justify that.


I guess you can leave the topic now. Thanks!



How about I leave the FECC all together ? I'm sure you'd like that a lot. Thanks to your wisecracks & agenda based bias over the past few months, I've seriously considered it several times.


If you think someone "would like that a lot" then why would you do it?

I learned to be tougher since I've been here, than I have ever been in my life. And to know which battles are worth it. And how to "battle" without "losing it," which is something I value that I never could do before.

I used to get very pouty, but I have changed. If you believe something, stick up for it! That doesn't mean some folks couldn't stand to rephrase what they meant sometimes. (And you'll notice that *is* what happened. Not everyone expresses themselves the same way.)

Do not leave. I mean, that's my advice.

rjm

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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:53 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
TCB-FAN wrote:Here's the absolute truth.....The American people will NEVER know who ACTUALLY fired those shots at President Kennedy in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas @ 12:30 PM CST on November 22, 1963. You can take that to the bank. The JFK Assassination, I'm afraid will forever be shrouded in mystery as to 'who dunnit' and why. There is just not enough conclusive and absolute evidence to justify that.


I guess you can leave the topic now. Thanks!


I would answer it differently, and I think the answer would be closer to your point, John.

I would say that knowledge of "who fired the shots" is a distraction from the more significant issues. It's not about a "whodunit." It's a "whydidit?" It's not the "who" so much as the "why." In the end, that's what matters -- to the future.

Jackie Kennedy, early on, had commented that she wished, at least, he gave his life for a purpose, and not just "some silly little communist." Well, he may have been little, but there was nothing silly about those with whom he got involved, and they sure weren't "communists." Quite the opposite. (That can be proven, from the New Orleans incident leaflets.)

So, the task is to find that purpose for which he died. (But, yes, it is necessary to rule out "the impossible," in Holmesian fashion.)

And that's how I would answer the post.

I think a more detailed definition of what is meant by "parlor games" would clear up much misunderstanding - and perhaps bruised feelings. (I take it that your main point is that the whole "whodunit" is a distraction. Is that correct?)

So, in a way, TCB-FAN is on to something: if indeed we'll likely never find out who fired the fatal shot, then that is not what ought to be investigated. But that unlikely condition does NOT mean the end of investigation, but that it must take a different course. (Which is explored well in several of the cited books.)

@drjohncarpenter

@TCB-FAN

:)

rjm

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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:50 pm

Do not leave. I mean, that's my advice.

rjm



Me, too. :D

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:26 pm

To me, it's clear that the communists (Cuban or USSR) had nothing in common with the crime. In 1963 JFK and Nikita Khrushchev from the USSR signed a treaty regarding the nuclear weapons and agreed on many other problems. So, how stupid could they had been to be involved in murdering the president of the US????

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:59 pm

rjm wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
TCB-FAN wrote:Here's the absolute truth.....The American people will NEVER know who ACTUALLY fired those shots at President Kennedy in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas @ 12:30 PM CST on November 22, 1963. You can take that to the bank. The JFK Assassination, I'm afraid will forever be shrouded in mystery as to 'who dunnit' and why. There is just not enough conclusive and absolute evidence to justify that.


I guess you can leave the topic now. Thanks!


I would answer it differently, and I think the answer would be closer to your point, John.


You are of course welcome to respond in any way you please, but if you revisit this topic from top-to-bottom, you might just see someone with more interest in distracting with odd videos and uninformed cant. To then serve up a steaming, fetid pile of condescension, with ALL CAPS and bold face print, tells me they have exhausted the patience of any reasonably intelligent person, proven they have no interest in embracing other ideas, and need to return to other site endeavors, such as posting miscaptioned photos.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:35 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
someone with more interest in distracting with odd videos and uninformed cant.


To then serve up a steaming, fetid pile of condescension, with ALL CAPS and bold face print,


they have exhausted the patience of any reasonably intelligent person,


proven they have no interest in embracing other ideas,


and need to return to other site endeavors, such as posting miscaptioned photos.




Anything else you would like to add to all of the "nice" things you've said about me so far ???

I also have an extensive "compliment" list about you Doc, but if I were to list them, not only would I be banned permanently from this group, I would be arrested, charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law....soooooo, I'll just take the high road and keep my compliments to myself. TYVM.

As the old adage goes ...."Give 'em enough rope....."
Keep the compliments coming Doc........ :smt023
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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:45 am

As the Beatles said, "All You Need is Love".

Big hugs, inclusiveness and tolerance are wonderful personality traits.

If someone doesn't like what someone says, as happens to me, I write what I want to say and then keep it to myself.

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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:31 am

mike edwards66 wrote:
rjm wrote:The idea that the a briefly accused dead man did it IS a theory


As is the idea that he didn't.


Actually, that's our system of law. It's not a "theory" at all.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Everyone.

(With, of course, the exception of those who have freely confessed to a crime.

And some crimes are committed in full view. Same difference.

And I am not speaking of coerced confessions. Sirhan Sirhan is guilty of killing Bobby Kennedy. One can theorize about bullet holes, Polka Dot dresses, larger implications, etc. But he is still guilty.)

Is this principle disposable?

That's the problem I have with so much of the "proper" media figures who call someone who was never convicted of anything - who lived for only 48 hours after the crime, "a killer." This is just monstrously wrong: an insult to our system.

I agree that many, if not most are confusing the forest for the trees - that playing endless "evidence games" only distracts from the larger, more important issues of why this happened, and who it benefitted.

But part of the "forest" is this desecration of our principles. Lee Oswald is not guilty. You either respect the principles of our society, or you do not. And too many "respectable" people do not respect those principles. (When Johnny Carson, for instance, tried to make a fool of Jim Garrison, that wasn't just disrespectful to Garrison, but to the United States of America.)

In so many ways, this event ripped us all apart.

rjm
P.S. -- I really don't want to read the entire thread again. But reading as much as you can about history - and how it works, is a very good idea. Which means you cannot just dispose of this matter and what it means to our future. It's just that over-inspecting the trees can distract from seeing the forest.

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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:35 am

Mountain Misst wrote:As the Beatles said, "All You Need is Love".

Big hugs, inclusiveness and tolerance are wonderful personality traits.

If someone doesn't like what someone says, as happens to me, I write what I want to say and then keep it to myself.

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It's unclear what you're driving at, and no one embraces love more than I, but this is a discussion forum. If you are suggesting everyone suddenly choose to be assentive, then this place loses its reason for being. The challenge, for some, is to be able to discuss ideas and absorb information without behaving like schoolyard miscreants. However, this is the internet, and although it is a wonderful world it is also -- at times -- indiscriminate.

Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:42 am

Mountain Misst wrote:As the Beatles said, "All You Need is Love".

Big hugs, inclusiveness and tolerance are wonderful personality traits.

If someone doesn't like what someone says, as happens to me, I write what I want to say and then keep it to myself.

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I don't keep a lot to myself. I just say generally say what I think, respectfully.

It's a nice song, but there is also "One-Sided Love Affair." So, I try to understand when things fall apart.

Now, if anyone hits the "Thank" button, someone else may take it the wrong way. So, you are all welcome. ;)

rjm

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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:54 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
No one embraces love more than I.


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Re: Most believe Lee Harvey Oswald was 'patsy'

Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:57 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
mike edwards66 wrote:
rjm wrote:The idea that the a briefly accused dead man did it IS a theory


As is the idea that he didn't.


Knowledge is power:
http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80145&p=1250042#p1250042

Get readin'!


Thanks for the advice friendly, friend. Have you ever considered a career as a librarian, you may have missed your calling.

However, and also, on this occasion your undoubtedly good intentioned suggestion, as to how I should improve my knowledge, is misplaced.

I suggest your careful rereading of my point, this will reveal that I was stating an indisputable fact. Namely, the idea that 'Oswald didn't do it' is also a theory.

The theory I refer to, is of course, the JFK conspiracy theory. You may be familiar with it :wink: