Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:35 am
Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:45 am
elviscollector101 wrote:is this true - coming from a we'll respected magazine ...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... y-of-four/
Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:48 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:The people have spoken.
The Republican party is blamed by a majority of Americans for this latest debacle.
Can't say that I disagree. People don't like bullies.WASHINGTON, Oct. 10 (UPI) -- A majority of Americans blame Republicans for the government shutdown and would vote to replace every member of Congress if they could, a poll showed Thursday.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/10/10/53-percent-of-Americans-blame-GOP-for-government-shutdown-poll/UPI-96801381447323/
Similar reports:
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-gop-gets-blame-shutdown-072856768--finance.html
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903624-nbcwsj-poll-shutdown-debate-damages-gop
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57606670/republicans-hammer-obama-over-government-shutdown-get-hammered-in-polls/
Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:25 am
Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:49 pm
intheghetto wrote:fecc-mechanic wrote:Is prevention of death a communist, or socialist ideal? Certainly NOT.
AGREED! I don't think staying out of debt is neither communist or socialist either. It's called 'common sense'.
Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:00 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:The people have spoken.
The Republican party is blamed by a majority of Americans for this latest debacle.
Can't say that I disagree. People don't like bullies.WASHINGTON, Oct. 10 (UPI) -- A majority of Americans blame Republicans for the government shutdown and would vote to replace every member of Congress if they could, a poll showed Thursday.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/10/10/53-percent-of-Americans-blame-GOP-for-government-shutdown-poll/UPI-96801381447323/
Similar reports:
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-gop-gets-blame-shutdown-072856768--finance.html
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903624-nbcwsj-poll-shutdown-debate-damages-gop
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57606670/republicans-hammer-obama-over-government-shutdown-get-hammered-in-polls/
Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:08 am
drjohncarpenter wrote:The people have spoken.
The Republican party is blamed by a majority of Americans for this latest debacle.
Can't say that I disagree. People don't like bullies.WASHINGTON, Oct. 10 (UPI) -- A majority of Americans blame Republicans for the government shutdown and would vote to replace every member of Congress if they could, a poll showed Thursday.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/10/10/53-percent-of-Americans-blame-GOP-for-government-shutdown-poll/UPI-96801381447323/
Similar reports:
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-gop-gets-blame-shutdown-072856768--finance.html
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903624-nbcwsj-poll-shutdown-debate-damages-gop
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57606670/republicans-hammer-obama-over-government-shutdown-get-hammered-in-polls/
Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:24 am
Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:20 pm
One more time, for good measure.
No one has commented on this yet, and it's clearly because it says it all.
The American people can't be fooled ALL of the time.
drjohncarpenter wrote:
The people have spoken.
The Republican party is blamed by a majority of Americans for this latest debacle.
Can't say that I disagree. People don't like bullies.
WASHINGTON, Oct. 10 (UPI) -- A majority of Americans blame Republicans for the government shutdown and would vote to replace every member of Congress if they could, a poll showed Thursday.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/10/ ... 381447323/
Similar reports:
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-gop-gets-bla ... nance.html
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... amages-gop
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-576 ... -in-polls/
Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:02 am
Mike C wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:The people have spoken.
The Republican party is blamed by a majority of Americans for this latest debacle.
Can't say that I disagree. People don't like bullies.WASHINGTON, Oct. 10 (UPI) -- A majority of Americans blame Republicans for the government shutdown and would vote to replace every member of Congress if they could, a poll showed Thursday.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/10/10/53-percent-of-Americans-blame-GOP-for-government-shutdown-poll/UPI-96801381447323/
Similar reports:
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-gop-gets-blame-shutdown-072856768--finance.html
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20903624-nbcwsj-poll-shutdown-debate-damages-gop
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57606670/republicans-hammer-obama-over-government-shutdown-get-hammered-in-polls/
Notice how the reports cited all come from entities of the state-controlled media.
Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:48 am
As y'all are so fond of saying, you're drinking the Kool-Aid again.
The reports all cite a poll by the non-partisan Associated Press-GfK.
Sun Oct 13, 2013 6:30 am
2kd wrote:RJM, I didn't "use" a deceased child to disgust or offend you! If you take it that way then you may want to rethink your whole way of viewing this. I didn't need to stir up anyone's emotions, but this is a very serious issue. If a family falls just a few dollars short, they WILL have to pay more than they can afford. You say that my reasoning of the ACA is irrational because you think you are right and I'm wrong. I say that we can both be right in that we're free to speak out [for or against] something we feel strongly about. Democracy. Remember? The ACA is flawed and it could be a great help to many, many people. But it was done in the dark, under the table. And when Pelosi, told us it had to pass "to find out what's in it", that was a slap in the face! You may not mind having someone like her telling you what to do, but I don't like it. And I don't have to.
The very first day that I joined this forum I was insulted by another person. We got straight, but I've learned that if posters here do not agree with every little detail of every little post they're bullied and bashed. Well I say have at it. It's pretty damn sad that if you're a conservative you instantly become a target. I don't much give a damn what anyone says, I will continue to be a conservative until I take my last breath. I don't begrudge you or anyone else the right to believe or vote as you see fit. I was merely engaging in a discussion, a debate. But now you've made remarks about me that you had no right to make. You took it too far. It's a shame that I have to leave on these terms.
Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:19 pm
2kd wrote:rjm wrote:2kd wrote:RJM, I didn't "use" a deceased child to disgust or offend you! If you take it that way then you may want to rethink your whole way of viewing this. I didn't need to stir up anyone's emotions, but this is a very serious issue. If a family falls just a few dollars short, they WILL have to pay more than they can afford. You say that my reasoning of the ACA is irrational because you think you are right and I'm wrong. I say that we can both be right in that we're free to speak out [for or against] something we feel strongly about. Democracy. Remember? The ACA is flawed and it could be a great help to many, many people. But it was done in the dark, under the table. And when Pelosi, told us it had to pass "to find out what's in it", that was a slap in the face! You may not mind having someone like her telling you what to do, but I don't like it. And I don't have to.
The very first day that I joined this forum I was insulted by another person. We got straight, but I've learned that if posters here do not agree with every little detail of every little post they're bullied and bashed. Well I say have at it. It's pretty damn sad that if you're a conservative you instantly become a target. I don't much give a damn what anyone says, I will continue to be a conservative until I take my last breath. I don't begrudge you or anyone else the right to believe or vote as you see fit. I was merely engaging in a discussion, a debate. But now you've made remarks about me that you had no right to make. You took it too far. It's a shame that I have to leave on these terms.
Leave? Because I said I felt offended? If it was necessary to mention the child, then you implied strongly that those of us who support and will benefit from the ACA are COMPLICIT IN HARMING A GRIEVING FAMILY! You made me feel complicit in an an atrocity, simply because I need this health care, and can no longer afford my individual plan. Without the ACA, anyone with my pre-existing conditions would be out in the cold, and either soon, or already. And so, in addition to that, I have bear the guilt of a grieving family? Do you see how this hurts, and why I characterized it as I did? I wasn't actually blaming YOU: it is a tactic used by politicians and the media, and not only conservatives use it. So, it may not seem as though you "used" this child's family, but such tactics are so frequently employed by both politicians and the media that it seems natural to do it. The thing is that I didn't want to say it that way: I didn't want to say that an ordinary citizen sees this tactic on television and on the radio, and on the new media all the time. I did not wish to call anyone a "puppet" of those in powerful opinion-leading positions because I wanted to RESPECT you. Which means I wanted you to think about it.
It certainly IS a free country and you needn't support this law. But to try to fight it by making others feel complicit in the misery of a family who lost a child was an extremely questionable choice. I didn't hurt this family, just because I support and will use the ACA's individual plans! I did not hurt this family! Do you see what you were saying? And why it is often effective to make such an argument? It's effective because a lot of people are going to feel guilty about such a family, particularly since they are real. And I have nothing to feel guilty about, in this regard; I did not hurt this family by supporting and using the plans under this law. The very subsidized plans this family may have to pay for are those that will benefit people like me. So, it hurts when you say "his name is Samuel" as though *I* am among those who hurt his mother and daddy.
I hope you understand why I felt this was over-the-top. The arguments over schooling and suchlike are quite reasonable, and I would argue that there are affordable solutions. When I was bullied, they didn't have homeschooling, and I didn't want to go school anymore! I knew I had to go, no matter what. If you want to know just how bad bullying can get, ask me. Now, kids actually do not have to go to school! They can study at home or in a collective, in a great variety of programs. But it's a reasonable argument because when there *was* no home schooling, private school seemed like the only alternative. My parents took me out of Jr. High because of the bullying, and sent me to Woodward. (It was no picnic, either. I was "new" again. I didn't fit in, again. I didn't know the "correct" hem to put on that blasted ugly dress so the other girls wouldn't snicker at me . . . and more than that, much more than that.) Nowadays, there are many more choices in this situation, most of which are more affordable.
So, I just felt your argument went to a place that was out-of-bounds in fair discussion. School expenses? Fair. A dead child? Not fair.
rjm
You and I dealt with this in PM. (I told you then that I'd decided not to leave). You're right, a dead child is not fair. Not to you, the family or anyone else here. It's never "fair". You have a right to health care under the new law and I hope that you get everything you deserve under the law and more. I won't even try to defend my feelings about the law again, as I've learned that some people here are like sharks. When they smell blood they don't stop until they've devoured the injured. It appears (in some instances), if one's view is different or runs counter to other's views, it's perceived as wrong. If I don't agree with every little detail of this administration, I'm going to be bashed, eaten alive. Had I not cited an actual family, I would have been accused of making up a story to fit my views of the law. It's perfectly fine to be an individual here, as long as I "fit in". Looks like I'm eventually going to get kicked off the forum. I don't feel a need to fit in with everything or everyone. I like my individuality and will continue to be who I am. And when someone tries to kick my ass for it, I might get the crap beat out of me. But I'll go down fighting. I too have been through my own medical hell. And I'm still dealing with it every day. It will take a lot more than strangers on an Elvis forum to get to me. As I told you in PM, I came here to enjoy the information. I fully intend to continue doing just that. Hope you do too. Again, I apologize for hurting your feelings. I never meant to do that. Wishing you good health and hoping you find the help you need. M.
Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:31 pm
2kd wrote:rjm wrote:2kd wrote:RJM, I didn't "use" a deceased child to disgust or offend you! If you take it that way then you may want to rethink your whole way of viewing this. I didn't need to stir up anyone's emotions, but this is a very serious issue. If a family falls just a few dollars short, they WILL have to pay more than they can afford. You say that my reasoning of the ACA is irrational because you think you are right and I'm wrong. I say that we can both be right in that we're free to speak out [for or against] something we feel strongly about. Democracy. Remember? The ACA is flawed and it could be a great help to many, many people. But it was done in the dark, under the table. And when Pelosi, told us it had to pass "to find out what's in it", that was a slap in the face! You may not mind having someone like her telling you what to do, but I don't like it. And I don't have to.
The very first day that I joined this forum I was insulted by another person. We got straight, but I've learned that if posters here do not agree with every little detail of every little post they're bullied and bashed. Well I say have at it. It's pretty damn sad that if you're a conservative you instantly become a target. I don't much give a damn what anyone says, I will continue to be a conservative until I take my last breath. I don't begrudge you or anyone else the right to believe or vote as you see fit. I was merely engaging in a discussion, a debate. But now you've made remarks about me that you had no right to make. You took it too far. It's a shame that I have to leave on these terms.
Leave? Because I said I felt offended? If it was necessary to mention the child, then you implied strongly that those of us who support and will benefit from the ACA are COMPLICIT IN HARMING A GRIEVING FAMILY! You made me feel complicit in an an atrocity, simply because I need this health care, and can no longer afford my individual plan. Without the ACA, anyone with my pre-existing conditions would be out in the cold, and either soon, or already. And so, in addition to that, I have bear the guilt of a grieving family? Do you see how this hurts, and why I characterized it as I did? I wasn't actually blaming YOU: it is a tactic used by politicians and the media, and not only conservatives use it. So, it may not seem as though you "used" this child's family, but such tactics are so frequently employed by both politicians and the media that it seems natural to do it. The thing is that I didn't want to say it that way: I didn't want to say that an ordinary citizen sees this tactic on television and on the radio, and on the new media all the time. I did not wish to call anyone a "puppet" of those in powerful opinion-leading positions because I wanted to RESPECT you. Which means I wanted you to think about it.
It certainly IS a free country and you needn't support this law. But to try to fight it by making others feel complicit in the misery of a family who lost a child was an extremely questionable choice. I didn't hurt this family, just because I support and will use the ACA's individual plans! I did not hurt this family! Do you see what you were saying? And why it is often effective to make such an argument? It's effective because a lot of people are going to feel guilty about such a family, particularly since they are real. And I have nothing to feel guilty about, in this regard; I did not hurt this family by supporting and using the plans under this law. The very subsidized plans this family may have to pay for are those that will benefit people like me. So, it hurts when you say "his name is Samuel" as though *I* am among those who hurt his mother and daddy.
I hope you understand why I felt this was over-the-top. The arguments over schooling and suchlike are quite reasonable, and I would argue that there are affordable solutions. When I was bullied, they didn't have homeschooling, and I didn't want to go school anymore! I knew I had to go, no matter what. If you want to know just how bad bullying can get, ask me. Now, kids actually do not have to go to school! They can study at home or in a collective, in a great variety of programs. But it's a reasonable argument because when there *was* no home schooling, private school seemed like the only alternative. My parents took me out of Jr. High because of the bullying, and sent me to Woodward. (It was no picnic, either. I was "new" again. I didn't fit in, again. I didn't know the "correct" hem to put on that blasted ugly dress so the other girls wouldn't snicker at me . . . and more than that, much more than that.) Nowadays, there are many more choices in this situation, most of which are more affordable.
So, I just felt your argument went to a place that was out-of-bounds in fair discussion. School expenses? Fair. A dead child? Not fair.
rjm
You and I dealt with this in PM. (I told you then that I'd decided not to leave). You're right, a dead child is not fair. Not to you, the family or anyone else here. It's never "fair". You have a right to health care under the new law and I hope that you get everything you deserve under the law and more. I won't even try to defend my feelings about the law again, as I've learned that some people here are like sharks. When they smell blood they don't stop until they've devoured the injured. It appears (in some instances), if one's view is different or runs counter to other's views, it's perceived as wrong. If I don't agree with every little detail of this administration, I'm going to be bashed, eaten alive. Had I not cited an actual family, I would have been accused of making up a story to fit my views of the law. It's perfectly fine to be an individual here, as long as I "fit in". Looks like I'm eventually going to get kicked off the forum. I don't feel a need to fit in with everything or everyone. I like my individuality and will continue to be who I am. And when someone tries to kick my ass for it, I might get the crap beat out of me. But I'll go down fighting. I too have been through my own medical hell. And I'm still dealing with it every day. It will take a lot more than strangers on an Elvis forum to get to me. As I told you in PM, I came here to enjoy the information. I fully intend to continue doing just that. Hope you do too. Again, I apologize for hurting your feelings. I never meant to do that. Wishing you good health and hoping you find the help you need. M.
Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:47 am
Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:09 am
elviscollector101 wrote:the sad part about being here , and i have been member since around 2001 starting with the old forum if i remember correctly , is that when someone voice's their opinion here and it does not match suit with someone else's that thinks they are the hi archy or the grand pu -ba or whatever they begin the to bash them and question why they don't think like they do . i do not know about you guy;s across the ocean but here in the usa we are proud of freedom and in that freedom we have our right to our own opinion and can believe however we feel . alot of hero's died fighting for this for us and we are still in debt to all who served and fought for our right's . i am offended as i know alot are when we voice our thought's on a topic and then have to keep arguing as to why we feel that way . no one on here is perfect and far from it including myself , i have yet to see any here walk on water , so it need's to be made known fecc mech that this would be a heck of alot nicer place if everyone would , even if they do not agree , respect everyone's opinion and not bash them when they give it . i mean this is a public forum to enjoy and appericate the wealth of elvis info and contribute to his legacy as i am sure he would be proud of . but the bickering and bashing need's to stop . we have lost some really good people from here due to the sad lack of respect on here and people thinking they are better than some or they know more than thou . why can't we all just get along , and celebrate the life of one of the greatest entertainer's in history , that is what brought us here together anyway . thanks randall
Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:56 am
RKSNASHVILLE wrote:drjohncarpenter wrote:One more time, for good measure.
No one has commented on this yet, and it's clearly because it says it all.
The American people can't be fooled ALL of the time.
drjohncarpenter wrote:
The people have spoken.
The Republican party is blamed by a majority of Americans for this latest debacle.
Can't say that I disagree. People don't like bullies.
WASHINGTON, Oct. 10 (UPI) -- A majority of Americans blame Republicans for the government shutdown and would vote to replace every member of Congress if they could, a poll showed Thursday.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/10/ ... 381447323/
Similar reports:
http://news.yahoo.com/poll-gop-gets-bla ... nance.html
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... amages-gop
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-576 ... -in-polls/
The NBC poll is seriously flawed.
First: The polsters conducted 800 interviews. 800 out of 300 million is hardly the "majority of Americans".
Second: The internals of the poll cited that of those polled the spread of Democrat to Republican is 43 32. So 43% in the poll are Democrats, 32% are Republicans. That's an 11 point difference there. That's not representative at all of the makeup.
Third: Of the 800 polled, the sampling of government employees was 20%. Do you know the percentage of the general population that works for government? 8%! So the percentage of people in our population that work for government is 8% and 20% of this sample is government workers.
This same poll, which you're not hearing reported, found that 51% believe that Obama "is putting advancing his agenda over what's good for the country."
How about the Associated Press poll that came out earlier this week that showed Obama's approval at it's lowest since he's been in office: 37%. How come we haven't heard a big deal made of those poll numbers?
Now when Bush's approval poll numbers hit 36% (his lowest) there was endless media coverage. Huh - why is that?
Polls are made to create news NOT to reflect public opinion.
RKS
Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:18 am
Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:31 pm
Thu Mar 27, 2014 6:06 pm
Thu Mar 27, 2014 9:41 pm
elvis4life wrote:http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/afge-applauds-bill-to-provide-federal-employees-with-33-pay-raise-in-2015-252445371.html
AFGE Applauds Bill to Provide Federal Employees with 3.3% Pay Raise in 2015
Bill by Reps. Connolly, Moran would provide federal employees with fair increase
AFGE logo. (PRNewsFoto/American Federation of Government Employees)
WASHINGTON, March 26, 2014 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- American Federation of Government Employees National President J. David Cox Sr. today applauded legislation introduced by Reps. Gerry Connolly and Jim Moran of Virginia to provide federal employees with a 3.3 percent pay raise in 2015.
"Federal employees have seen their standard of living deteriorate in recent years due to a three-year pay freeze, unpaid furloughs, and higher retirement contributions for newer workers," Cox said. "A 3.3 percent pay raise would help federal employees recoup some of that lost income and ensure the government is able to recruit and retain the high caliber workers that taxpayers expect."
The Obama administration has proposed a 1 percent pay raise for federal employees in 2015, a pitiful increase in light of how much federal employees have sacrificed these past few years. Federal employee wages were frozen for three straight years. New federal employees are paying between four and six times as much for their retirement without getting anything in return. Roughly 750,000 federal employees lost up to a week of pay last year due to sequestration-related furloughs, costing them $1 billion in lost salary.
"Federal employees are on the hook for $138 billion in lost earnings thanks to years of policies that put slashing the deficit ahead of creating new jobs," Cox said. "A 3.3 percent increase would provide employees with a fair and meaningful raise for the first time this decade."
Cox also thanked the members who signed on to the legislation as original cosponsors, including at the time of this release Reps. Elijah Cummings of Maryland, John Tierney of Massachusetts, Matt Cartwright of Pennsylvania and Michelle Lujan Grisham of New Mexico.
Cox also applauded Reps. Connolly and Moran for ensuring that the 3.3 percent raise would apply both to General Schedule employees and hourly workers under the prevailing wage system.
The American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE) is the largest federal employee union, representing 670,000 workers in the federal government and the government of the District of Columbia.
For the latest AFGE news and information, follow us on Facebook and Twitter.
Logo - http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20131120/MM21150LOGO
SOURCE American Federation of Government Employees
RELATED LINKS
http://www.afge.org
Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:49 am
Mon Mar 31, 2014 11:08 am
Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:29 pm
Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:16 pm
Hosted by ElviCities