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John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:05 pm

LOL, good story, Tom.

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Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:22 pm

Nice, thanks.

(Lennon had, of course, already returned his OBE at that point.)

Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:26 am

George Smith wrote:Nice, thanks.

(Lennon had, of course, already returned his OBE at that point.)


Indeed, John had done so in 1969. Tom Jones' stories do not betray even a hint of "hatred" for Lennon, which some here try to propagate as fact.

These are the dates Tom refers to in that clip:

28 March 1965: Thank Your Lucky Stars | The Beatles Bible
Broadcast: 03 April 1965
http://www.beatlesbible.com/1965/03/28/television-thank-your-lucky-stars-8/

18 April 1975: "Salute to Sir Lew" | A Salute to Sir Lew Grade
Broadcast: 13 June 1975
http://bestbrandyeb.blogspot.com/2012/03/john-lennon-salute-to-sir-lew-grade.html
http://lifeofthebeatles.blogspot.com/2009/03/april-18-1975-salute-to-sir-lew.html
http://ubb.mojo4music.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=693869

Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:18 am

Not to cause upsets, just as a study of human behaviour, and for interest:

In my view, Tom Jones was being diplomatic, from 1.10 to 1.27. In my view, Tom was showing annoyance when portraying the story, with Gordon Mills advising Tom, "That's his sense of humour, don't get...". Tom then said that they became friends later on (so they certainly weren't friendly at that junction). It is interesting to see how the dynamics were. I also thought it interesting how Tom commented that John was jealous of him, this may have been a personality trait. With Elvis being humble and sensitive to other people's feelings, and going on Tom's experiences portrayed in the video, I can see how there could have been personality differences. There are cultures that are sensitive to hearing people run down, so I can understand how this situation would have occurred.

In the public eye, seemingly to me, John appeared to become frustrated and disrespectful pretty quickly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF9BOqGbjPc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnF80aLEcSU

Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:31 pm

Mountain Misst wrote:Not to cause upsets, just as a study of human behaviour, and for interest:

In my view, Tom Jones was being diplomatic, from 1.10 to 1.27. In my view, Tom was showing annoyance when portraying the story, with Gordon Mills advising Tom, "That's his sense of humour, don't get...". Tom then said that they became friends later on (so they certainly weren't friendly at that junction). It is interesting to see how the dynamics were. I also thought it interesting how Tom commented that John was jealous of him, this may have been a personality trait. With Elvis being humble and sensitive to other people's feelings, and going on Tom's experiences portrayed in the video, I can see how there could have been personality differences. There are cultures that are sensitive to hearing people run down, so I can understand how this situation would have occurred.

In the public eye, seemingly to me, John appeared to become frustrated and disrespectful pretty quickly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF9BOqGbjPc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnF80aLEcSU


i agree, there was an interview 1963 when John was asked about his opinion on Elvis, and john said he didn't like his new songs and said poor old Elvis! he had the right to not like him but saying poor old Elvis is disrespectful , he talks about Elvis starting from 2:39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeTMTvMtWVc
Last edited by yaso on Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:02 am

Mountain Misst wrote:Not to cause upsets, just as a study of human behaviour, and for interest:

In my view, Tom Jones was being diplomatic, from 1.10 to 1.27. In my view, Tom was showing annoyance when portraying the story, with Gordon Mills advising Tom, "That's his sense of humour, don't get...". Tom then said that they became friends later on (so they certainly weren't friendly at that junction). It is interesting to see how the dynamics were. I also thought it interesting how Tom commented that John was jealous of him, this may have been a personality trait. With Elvis being humble and sensitive to other people's feelings, and going on Tom's experiences portrayed in the video, I can see how there could have been personality differences. There are cultures that are sensitive to hearing people run down, so I can understand how this situation would have occurred.

In the public eye, seemingly to me, John appeared to become frustrated and disrespectful pretty quickly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF9BOqGbjPc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnF80aLEcSU


In the public eye? Neither of these are "in the public eye"!

The first clip is a film of a 1969 print interview with New York Times editor Gloria Emerson, who was asking pointed, confrontational questions. She ended up getting some heat upon publication for her very misplaced queries.

The second is film of an outtake from the 1971 recording sessions for the Imagine album.

Neither of these were even screened in John's lifetime.

It's really unfair to pass judgement on someone's behavior when you clearly have no context for the evidence you present. It would be like pulling out Elvis' very angry asides during the post-"Aloha" song tapings as examples of Presley's poor public behavior.

Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:24 pm

Fairchild1171 wrote:Bitter English Bloke.


Tom or John??

Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:29 pm

yaso wrote:
Fairchild1171 wrote:Bitter English Bloke.


Tom or John??


Well, Tom's not English.

Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:55 pm

daylon wrote:
yaso wrote:
Fairchild1171 wrote:Bitter English Bloke.


Tom or John??


Well, Tom's not English.


no, Tom is English too

Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:16 pm

yaso wrote:
daylon wrote:
yaso wrote:
Fairchild1171 wrote:Bitter English Bloke.


Tom or John??


Well, Tom's not English.


no, Tom is English too


Tom is British but not English, but from Wales.


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Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:20 pm

frus75 wrote:
yaso wrote:
daylon wrote:
yaso wrote:
Fairchild1171 wrote:Bitter English Bloke.


Tom or John??


Well, Tom's not English.


no, Tom is English too


Tom is British but not English, but from Wales.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Bitter British Bloke? :D

Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:30 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Mountain Misst wrote:Not to cause upsets, just as a study of human behaviour, and for interest:

In my view, Tom Jones was being diplomatic, from 1.10 to 1.27. In my view, Tom was showing annoyance when portraying the story, with Gordon Mills advising Tom, "That's his sense of humour, don't get...". Tom then said that they became friends later on (so they certainly weren't friendly at that junction). It is interesting to see how the dynamics were. I also thought it interesting how Tom commented that John was jealous of him, this may have been a personality trait. With Elvis being humble and sensitive to other people's feelings, and going on Tom's experiences portrayed in the video, I can see how there could have been personality differences. There are cultures that are sensitive to hearing people run down, so I can understand how this situation would have occurred.

In the public eye, seemingly to me, John appeared to become frustrated and disrespectful pretty quickly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF9BOqGbjPc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnF80aLEcSU


In the public eye? Neither of these are "in the public eye"!

The first clip is a film of a 1969 print interview with New York Times editor Gloria Emerson, who was asking pointed, confrontational questions. She ended up getting some heat upon publication for her very misplaced queries.

The second is film of an outtake from the 1971 recording sessions for the Imagine album.

Neither of these were even screened in John's lifetime.

It's really unfair to pass judgement on someone's behavior when you clearly have no context for the evidence you present. It would be like pulling out Elvis' very angry asides during the post-"Aloha" song tapings as examples of Presley's poor public behavior.




Good morning - yes, but it goes to disposition (for my case) lol :D

I like the comments on where Tom is from - you guys are funny.

Re: John Lennon takes Mickey out of Tom Jones

Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:43 am

frus75 wrote:
yaso wrote:
daylon wrote:
yaso wrote:
Fairchild1171 wrote:Bitter English Bloke.


Tom or John??


Well, Tom's not English.


no, Tom is English too


Tom is British but not English, but from Wales.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


He was born in Wales and is certainly considered Welsh.

He does have more English blood than Welsh though :-)