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Re: Obama finally speaks as a black president

Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:04 am

As bad as this feels, John, what these threads about the speech revealed has been enlightening. And it feels bad. But no need for any regrets. Originally, I thought the speech was very tepid and overly measured. Why do it at all if today's world is "better" than "35 years ago"?

Now I see it very differently. This speech merely asked people to privately question their own bias because racial profiling is real. He expressed memories of some of his personal experiences. I had put it down, initially, as an inadequate response. I thought he was preaching to the choir.

And, clearly, I was wrong.

His call for "a conversation" - in private no less, about race and one's own biases, brought out the worst in a lot of people. He asked people to simply talk about it "around the dinner table." And maybe that's the real message: "the conversation" he suggested is not possible at this time.

As for Elvis, I think he already knew that. He spoke of watching audience members stand with hand over heart at the strains of "Dixie," and then seeing the same people sit back down when he started the "other" songs. He was not naive about this.

We are younger, and many of us believe everything has changed. Now, we know. We know what he knew.

rjm

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Re: Obama finally speaks as a black president

Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:46 am

The best man at my wedding 30 years ago was my best friend in high school. A black, gay American from Louisiana. Highly educated, Dartmouth and Harvard Law School. He now practices law in California. When he goes back home to Louisiana, he says "yes, things seem better than they used to be, but the racial hatred and bigotry are still there, they are just bubbling below the surface, people may be nice to your face, but..."

Re: Obama finally speaks as a black president

Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:12 am

rjm wrote:As bad as this feels, John, what these threads about the speech revealed has been enlightening. And it feels bad. But no need for any regrets. Originally, I thought the speech was very tepid and overly measured. Why do it at all if today's world is "better" than "35 years ago"?

Now I see it very differently. This speech merely asked people to privately question their own bias because racial profiling is real. He expressed memories of some of his personal experiences. I had put it down, initially, as an inadequate response. I thought he was preaching to the choir.

And, clearly, I was wrong.

His call for "a conversation" - in private no less, about race and one's own biases, brought out the worst in a lot of people. He asked people to simply talk about it "around the dinner table." And maybe that's the real message: "the conversation" he suggested is not possible at this time.

As for Elvis, I think he already knew that. He spoke of watching audience members stand with hand over heart at the strains of "Dixie," and then seeing the same people sit back down when he started the "other" songs. He was not naive about this.

We are younger, and many of us believe everything has changed. Now, we know. We know what he knew.

rjm

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Thanks.

Re: Obama finally speaks as a black president

Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:48 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:
jak wrote:Doc
You referred to other members as "bigots" before anyone had even posted on the thread.


Context.

I referred to no other specific members as bigots, but was speaking from the experience of a previous thread destroyed by same just a few days ago. Surely you are capable of connecting the dots.

Thank you.


But you did refer to us a members of the "lunatic-fringe".

And it's beyond shameful that my careful posting of President Obama's wonderful moment was beaten into submission (and banishment) with angry, off-topic posts and links by the lunatic-fringe, Limbaugh-loving bunch who have FECC membership.


That's not exactly kind words for those of us with divergent views from yours.

Re: Obama finally speaks as a black president

Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:20 pm

Mike C wrote:But you did refer to us a members of the "lunatic-fringe".


I refer to no specific person as part of "the lunatic-fringe, Limbaugh-loving bunch who have FECC membership" -- that you tag yourself as being in such a group is another cross you have to bear.