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Re: Obama's Brick House!

Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:35 am

RKSNASHVILLE wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:You are correct that 9/11 began the erosion of our civil liberties we continue to see in the news.


And the erosion not only continued but eroded even more, MUCH more with the current administration.


Keep dreaming.

The current administration has a LONG way to go to match the decisions made by the lying, murderous scoundrels who occupied the White House from January 2001 to January 2009.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:01 am

RKSNASHVILLE wrote:Candidate Obama said:

“No more illegal wiretapping of American citizens,” candidate Barack Obama said in 2007. “No more national security letters to spy on citizens who are not suspected of a crime. No more tracking citizens who do nothing but protest a misguided war. No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient.”

Those of you liberals and leftists who support Obama must be outraged by this policy of spying on Americans.
RKS


I'm an unabashed liberal and I am appalled about NSA's overreach. I voted for Obama twice because of some key issues that were important to me (woman's right to choose, gay rights, environmental issues, etc.) but he is far from liberal. That's why I wish the hysterical right would stop with this "liberal" and "leftist" crap. (Don't even get me started on the idiotic "socialist" label!) Sometimes Obama's policies are more like watered-down Bush policies.

RKSNASHVILLE wrote:So you're O.K. with the Obama spying program? You guys crucified the previous administration for the surveillance program that was part of the Patriot Act - which at the time only tracked known terroists.

Playing politics with average Americans freedom.


RKSNASHVILLE wrote:Bush was crucified for it and because now it's "our guy" doing it - it's O.K.

Stop playing politics. If it's wrong - it's wrong - no matter what party is doing it!


I admitted that I am outraged about Obama's "spying program." So you, in turn, must support the president and his policies 100%. You seem to be arguing that he's doing the same things that Bush did so that must mean he has your full support, right? Otherwise you'd be "playing politics with average Americans (sic) freedom."

rjm wrote:If one has watched the show, one would know how stridently Stewart has criticized these policies (which, incidentally, started during the Dubya administration), and criticized the Obama administration on a variety of issues, but particularly in terms of his refusal to rip apart this unconstitutional invasion of privacy begun by the previous administration.


Exactly. Jon Stewart has criticized Obama several times before and after he became president. (From the Jeremiah Wright controversy to today's NSA Scandal.) But you never saw Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity critical of Bush during his administration. The only conservative cable news and talk radio host who came close to being critical of the Bush administration was Joe Scarborough.

TJ wrote:Good post rjm, but let's face it, there are indeed those who let their party affiliation determine their degree of opposition to such policies.


I agree.

drjohncarpenter wrote:History may one day, long after the evildoers are deceased, prove beyond any doubt the culpability of the Bush Administration in the horrific events of that day.


I certainly hope so.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:45 am

InheritTheWind wrote:

I admitted that I am outraged about Obama's "spying program." So you, in turn, must support the president and his policies 100%. You seem to be arguing that he's doing the same things that Bush did so that must mean he has your full support, right? Otherwise you'd be "playing politics with average Americans (sic) freedom."


I was not then and am not now a supporter of the NSA spy policy. I disagreed with the Bush administration then and disagree with the Obama administration now.

While Obama has continued some some policies of the Bush administration, Obama is NOT doing the same things that Bush did. Obama is much more "left" than Bush or any of his democratic predecessors.


But you never saw Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity critical of Bush during his administration.


You obviously don't listen to or watch any of the names you mention because if you did you would know that all of these WE'RE very critical of the Bush Administration on several issues.


The only conservative cable news and talk radio host who came close to being critical of the Bush administration was Joe Scarborough.


Joe Scarborough checked his conservatism at the MSNBC door when they hired him. He's NO conservative.



drjohncarpenter wrote:
History may one day, long after the evildoers are deceased, prove beyond any doubt the culpability of the Bush Administration in the horrific events of that day.

Inherit The Wind wrote: I certainly hope so.


And now we have 3 with NO credibility.




RKS

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:16 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
promiseland wrote:
JaneTLC wrote:
RKSNASHVILLE wrote:Name call? I didn't call you or anyone a name. Since when is being called a liberal name calling?
RKS


Let me try and explain. I'm not American but I have noticed that whenever I express an opinion that is not shared with the American right, they all start shrilly yelling "Liberal!", at me. I am not a liberal. I am not anything. I do not vote in the US, clearly; I am just expressing my opinion. I do not understand why that warrants rabid undereducated Republicans assuming anything about me.

It's very odd the way the word liberal is almost spat out at one, as it is evidently meant as an insult (from the other point of view).
I am always reminded of Elvis' monologue, where he says everyone was saying, "Watch him, he's a squirrel!"
You know, with liberal inserted instead of squirrel.

Good points .

Had George W. Bush not bombed the World Trade Centers, we wouldn't be in the invasion of privacy issue now.


You are correct that 9/11 began the erosion of our civil liberties we continue to see in the news.

And stay healthy. History may one day, long after the evildoers are deceased, prove beyond any doubt the culpability of the Bush Administration in the horrific events of that day.

Thank you Doc.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:53 am

RKSNASHVILLE wrote:
The only conservative cable news and talk radio host who came close to being critical of the Bush administration was Joe Scarborough.


Joe Scarborough checked his conservatism at the MSNBC door when they hired him. He's NO conservative.

RKS


What? He didn't sign Fox's loyalty oath?

That's a lotta nerve - to dismiss someone else's principles in that fashion, and I doubt you'd say it to his face.

:roll:

rjm

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:11 pm

What? He didn't sign Fox's loyalty oath?

That's a lotta nerve - to dismiss someone else's principles in that fashion, and I doubt you'd say it to his face.


:wtf:




Blah, blah, and more blah.




RKS

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:01 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
Blue River wrote:
elvissessions wrote:
RKSNASHVILLE wrote:How is the U.S. changing?

Well, for example, the long-overdue broad-based acceptance of gay rights and all the good things that go along with them, including marriage equality ... and fuller participation in organizations such as the Boy Scouts and the military.

Yeah, what a change. :facep:
Obama is losing credibility... even with the liberals now.
>> http://www.ijreview.com/2013/05/55077-c ... ng-nation/
>> http://www.mercatornet.com/sheila_liaugminas/view/12298

God, you just never stop with the name-calling, do you?

Where's the name-calling?
Someone who lies is a liar. That's not name-calling. That's calling it like it is.

Glad to clear that up for you. :wink:


::rocks

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:50 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:Your posts are far too often negative, bitter, off-base and defensive.
Someone told me you're akin to a never-healing boil on this forum

I'm sure that you and your little buddies also consider the U.S. Constitution as a "negative, bitter, off-base, defensive, never-healing boil".

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:17 am

Sorry I didn't respond sooner. I spent the day volunteering at my sons' closing ceremonies for their Little League teams.

RKSNASHVILLE wrote:I was not then and am not now a supporter of the NSA spy policy. I disagreed with the Bush administration then and disagree with the Obama administration now.


That's good to know! :D By the way, thank you for your (mostly) civil answers. It's obvious that we're miles apart politically but I appreciate the fact that you didn't resort to calling me names. (Strangely, I was called a "racist" by someone on this thread earlier. My grandparents on the white side of my family were racists. It would be kind of absurd for me to be a racist considering that my Arkansas-born grandfather referred to me as the "half-breed.")

RKSNASHVILLE wrote:Obama is much more "left" than Bush or any of his democratic predecessors.


He's obviously to the left of Bush! But he's certainly not the "leftist liberal" that the hysterical right make him out to be. He's barely to the left of center.

RKSNASHVILLE wrote:You obviously don't listen to or watch any of the names you mention because if you did you would know that all of these WE'RE very critical of the Bush Administration on several issues.


You're right. I don't listen to them or watch watch them. But I would have heard about it if they had criticized the Bush administration. It was a HUGE deal when Rush Limbaugh made his comment in 2006 that he would no longer "have to carry the water for people who I don't think deserve having their water carried" after the Democrats took control of Congress. The one time Rush criticized the Republicans it was major news. If Hannity, O'Reilly or Beck said anything critical about the Bush administration, we would have heard about it. Similar to how we hear about it when Jon Stewart slams Obama.

RKSNASHVILLE wrote:Joe Scarborough checked his conservatism at the MSNBC door when they hired him. He's NO conservative.


Are you being serious? Sorry, but Scarborough is a conservative. Just because he has a conscience doesn't mean you should take away his conservative credentials.

RKSNASHVILLE wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
History may one day, long after the evildoers are deceased, prove beyond any doubt the culpability of the Bush Administration in the horrific events of that day.

Inherit The Wind wrote: I certainly hope so.


And now we have 3 with NO credibility.


I don't think that Bush personally blew up the building; that's an absurd notion. I do, however, believe that he and his administration let it happen. They had plenty of warning about Al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden and they did nothing to stop them. Let's not forget Paul Wolfowitz's involvement in the creation of the PNAC (Project for the New American Century) document “Rebuilding America's Defenses” during the year 2000 which suggested a need for a “catastrophic and catalyzing event— like a new Pearl Harbor.” What happened on 9/11 was exactly the "catalyzing" event Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz were looking for. (I'm almost willing to believe that George Bush himself was a clueless bystander.)

Long before anti-terrorist activities became hip after 9/11, many Republicans called President Clinton's 1996 efforts to stop terrorism a "phony issue." Some Republicans had the nerve to to say that the anti-terrorist bombing attacks in Afghanistan and Sudan 1998 were ordered to divert attention from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. (There were many "Wag The Dog" references.) Before Bush took office he was warned repeatedly by the Clinton administration that Al Qaeda posed the worst security threat facing the nation. (President Bill Clinton's counterterrorism coordinator, Richard A. Clarke, said that he was "very explicit" about his warnings to Condoleezza Rice, who became Mr. Bush's national security adviser.) After Bush took office there was an explicit warning that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda intended to strike the United States. (The famous daily brief that was given to President Bush was titled "Bin Ladin (sic) Determined To Strike in US." This was 36 days before the attack. What did they do? Nothing.

In an interview with Fox News in 2006 President Clinton said, "And I think it’s very interesting that all the conservative Republicans, who now say I didn’t do enough, claimed that I was too obsessed with bin Laden. All of President Bush’s neo-cons thought I was too obsessed with bin Laden. They had no meetings on bin Laden for nine months after I left office. All the right-wingers who now say I didn’t do enough said I did too much — same people."

You may say I lack credibility, but this is what I believe. I know nothing I've written will change your opinion but I am addressing the fact that you said I had "NO credibility." I think the evidence supports what I believe. And there's a lot of evidence out there.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:50 am

InheritTheWind wrote:I don't think that Bush personally blew up the building; that's an absurd notion. I do, however, believe that he and his administration let it happen ...


Oh, it's much, much more than that. Like I said, stay healthy, live long, and after all the scumbags are deceased, we might just be allowed to learn exactly what was done, how and why. Of course, by then, it won't matter. It's how they work. ;-)

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:20 am

:lol:
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Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:21 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
InheritTheWind wrote:I don't think that Bush personally blew up the building; that's an absurd notion. I do, however, believe that he and his administration let it happen ...


Oh, it's much, much more than that. Like I said, stay healthy, live long, and after all the scumbags are deceased, we might just be allowed to learn exactly what was done, how and why. Of course, by then, it won't matter. It's how they work. ;-)


I absolutely agree that it's much more than that. I'm only giving my lowest possible assessment of what happened. I'm just stating the information that you can find on any common major news source. And I seriously hope you're right about the possibility of us learning "exactly what was done, how and why." We can only hope.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:26 am

InheritTheWind wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
InheritTheWind wrote:I don't think that Bush personally blew up the building; that's an absurd notion. I do, however, believe that he and his administration let it happen ...

Oh, it's much, much more than that. Like I said, stay healthy, live long, and after all the scumbags are deceased, we might just be allowed to learn exactly what was done, how and why. Of course, by then, it won't matter. It's how they work. ;-)

I absolutely agree that it's much more than that. I'm only giving my lowest possible assessment of what happened. I'm just stating the information that you can find on any common major news source. And I seriously hope you're right about the possibility of us learning "exactly what was done, how and why." We can only hope.

:lol: Keep dreaming.

drjohncarpenter wrote:... after all the scumbags are deceased...

You just never stop with the name-calling, do you?

Someone told me you're akin to the scumbags (Barry & Michelle) currently occupying the White House
and the other scumbag democrats elsewhere in Washington, D.C.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:42 am

Blue River wrote:
Someone told me you're akin to the scumbags (Barry & Michelle) currently occupying the White House
and the other scumbag democrats elsewhere in Washington, D.C.


You just never stop with the name-calling, do you?

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:20 am

How 'bout those St. Louis Cardinals!! :D

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:03 am

Blue River wrote:How 'bout those St. Louis Cardinals!! :D

They're Scumbags! :lol:

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:09 am

InheritTheWind wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:
InheritTheWind wrote:I don't think that Bush personally blew up the building; that's an absurd notion. I do, however, believe that he and his administration let it happen ...


Oh, it's much, much more than that. Like I said, stay healthy, live long, and after all the scumbags are deceased, we might just be allowed to learn exactly what was done, how and why. Of course, by then, it won't matter. It's how they work. ;-)


I absolutely agree that it's much more than that. I'm only giving my lowest possible assessment of what happened. I'm just stating the information that you can find on any common major news source. And I seriously hope you're right about the possibility of us learning "exactly what was done, how and why." We can only hope.


How many years did it take before we learned that Pearl Harbor 12-07-1941 was not a "surprise" attack? One suspects the same amount of time will be necessary for the truth about 9-11-2001 to be common knowledge. And, as I said, nothing will happen -- all the evildoers will be long dead. It's sad.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:16 am

Well It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a commercial 757 airliner cannot fit through a 16ft hole that was left in the side of the Pentagon, with 0% wreckage left over. But I'm sure George W. Bush could explain that easily.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:36 pm

promiseland wrote:Well It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know a commercial 757 airliner cannot fit through a 16ft hole that was left in the side of the Pentagon, with 0% wreckage left over. But I'm sure George W. Bush could explain that easily.


In this example, the U.S. government confiscated over 80 videos of the incident, from within the Pentagon and those made in the surrounding area, within hours of the "attack." To this day these tapes remain locked away, despite numerous requests to view them.

Why?

Answer that question and you move a step closer to understanding the events of 9-11-2001.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:06 pm

promiseland wrote:But I'm sure George W. Bush could explain that easily.


I'm still not convinced that George W. Bush had the intellectual capacities to be part of something so horribly diabolical. I truly believe that Dick Cheney was the evil behind the President. Cheney was one of the most vile figures in the history of politics.

Nowadays Bush is spending his time blissfully painting pictures of dogs, cats and his toes poking out of a bathtub.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:51 pm

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/11/the-daily-shows-john-oliver-nsa-phone-tracking-just-the-tip-of-the-shtburg/

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:10 pm

epf wrote:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/11/the-daily-shows-john-oliver-nsa-phone-tracking-just-the-tip-of-the-shtburg/


Great clip of John Oliver, he looks like he's doing a great job filling in for Jon Stewart.

Now…this is what cracks me up about the sudden outrage over all the 'snooping'. Do people seriously think that this is some type of new activity? I think a pretty good educated guess would be that the NSA or whoever has been doing this type of thing since the internet hit the ground and was available for mainstream consumption almost 20 years ago. This is the down side of all the convenience people! You want to have all of this instant access and 'social networking'? Well guess what, this stuff is available to be monitored and apparently has been monitored, and I would guess that this isn't the first administration that has taken advantage of this aspect of the technology. If you think that the government has suddenly, last week decided to monitor your digital activity I suggest you get rid of your computer and cell phone, and buy yourself a nice old school analog telephone and call it a day. Somebody wants to get in touch with you…leave a message after the beep.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:18 pm

intheghetto wrote:


Great clip of John Oliver, he looks like he's doing a great job filling in for Jon Stewart.

Now…this is what cracks me up about the sudden outrage over all the 'snooping'. Do people seriously think that this is some type of new activity? I think a pretty good educated guess would be that the NSA or whoever has been doing this type of thing since the internet hit the ground and was available for mainstream consumption almost 20 years ago. This is the down side of all the convenience people! You want to have all of this instant access and 'social networking'? Well guess what, this stuff is available to be monitored and apparently has been monitored, and I would guess that this isn't the first administration that has taken advantage of this aspect of the technology. If you think that the government has suddenly, last week decided to monitor your digital activity I suggest you get rid of your computer and cell phone, and buy yourself a nice old school analog telephone and call it a day. Somebody wants to get in touch with you…leave a message after the beep.


It does not crack me up but it is reality. Rumors were flying around for years, this is just the confirmation. I do like John's style, he does seem to do rather well.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:14 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:How many years did it take before we learned that Pearl Harbor 12-07-1941 was not a "surprise" attack?

One suspects the same amount of time will be necessary for the truth about the Benghazi cover-up and Internal Revenue Service cover-up to be common knowledge. Nothing will happen -- the current Democratic Party evildoers will be long dead.

Concerned, truth-seeking Americans will at least be grateful for that when the time comes.

Re: Obama's Brick House!

Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:29 pm

Blue River wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:How many years did it take before we learned that Pearl Harbor 12-07-1941 was not a "surprise" attack?


One suspects the same amount of time will be necessary for the truth about the Benghazi cover-up and Internal Revenue Service cover-up to be common knowledge.


Very important and significant issues there.

Like a pimple on the pumpkin that is 9-11.

;-)