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Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:38 am

It appears Mitt Romney, the U.S. Republican presidential nominee, did win one thing in 2012.


Romney earns PolitiFact’s ‘Lie of the Year’ for Jeeps made in China
By Rachel Rose Hartman, Yahoo! News | The Ticket

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Mitt Romney's claim in a campaign ad that President Barack Obama "sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China" earned PolitiFact's "Lie of the Year," the site announced on Wednesday.

"The Jeep ad was brazenly false," Angie Drobnic Holan wrote in her analysis.

The Romney campaign ran the ad in the final weeks of the campaign, drawing sharp rebukes from the automakers and public condemnation from the Obama campaign.

Romney first claimed Jeep was moving to China in a late October campaign speech in Ohio, citing "reports," which he later identified in his ad as a story by Bloomberg News.

But Chrysler immediately rejected the claim, saying the company was reviewing adding production in China, not moving production out of the United States. Chrysler also noted that the Bloomberg story was misinterpreted.

It appeared that the false interpretation was initially made by the Washington Examiner's Paul Bedard, who wrote about the Bloomberg story Oct. 25. Bedard's claim was then circulated by the Drudge Report.

Democrats, including the Obama campaign, used Romney's decision to stand by the false claim against him, attacking Romney's honesty.

"After Romney's false claim of Jeep outsourcing to China, Chrysler itself has refuted Romney's lie," an announcer read in an Obama campaign ad that painted Romney as "wrong on Ohio jobs."

PolitiFact suggested Wednesday that the ad was partly responsible for Romney's loss.

"People often say that politicians don't pay a price for deception, but this time was different: A flood of negative press coverage rained down on the Romney campaign, and he failed to turn the tide in Ohio, the most important state in the presidential election," Holan wrote.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-earns-politifact-lie-jeeps-made-china-143057560--election.html

Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:06 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:It appears Mitt Romney, the U.S. Republican presidential nominee, did win one thing in 2012.



It also appears that America won a thing or two by re-electing President Obama.

North Korea now has a three-stage ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear
warhead as far as the West Coast.
It was detected 7:49 EST Wednesday night.
But unfortunately it seems America didn't know it was going to be launched. We were
caught off guard. Who's running this show?

So a big thanks to all who voted for President Obama. I guess we all win in the end.

Canada no need for you to worry. Even if North Korea hasn't got this nuclear
thing down to an exact science yet. I'm sure they wouldn't miss California by that
much.

Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:00 am

iplayastrat wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:It appears Mitt Romney, the U.S. Republican presidential nominee, did win one thing in 2012.



It also appears that America won a thing or two by re-electing President Obama.

North Korea now has a three-stage ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear
warhead as far as the West Coast.
It was detected 7:49 EST Wednesday night.
But unfortunately it seems America didn't know it was going to be launched. We were
caught off guard. Who's running this show?

So a big thanks to all who voted for President Obama. I guess we all win in the end.

Canada no need for you to worry. Even if North Korea hasn't got this nuclear
thing down to an exact science yet. I'm sure they wouldn't miss California by that
much.


Repubicans jumping to conclusions again and attributing a longstanding issue to a President only in office four years. We've been playing this game with North Korea for decades. Again, wait and see what the President does with the issue.

And again, Republicans assuming we're the center of everyone's universe. If there's a nuclear threat from North Korea, the West Coast is not the most likely target, it's South Korea. Doesn't make it a whole lot better but most likely if bombs come flying they'll be going there.

On the original topic was Romney his own competition for lie of the year?

Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:23 am

iplayastrat wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:It appears Mitt Romney, the U.S. Republican presidential nominee, did win one thing in 2012.



It also appears that America won a thing or two by re-electing President Obama.

North Korea now has a three-stage ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear
warhead as far as the West Coast.
It was detected 7:49 EST Wednesday night.
But unfortunately it seems America didn't know it was going to be launched. We were
caught off guard. Who's running this show?

So a big thanks to all who voted for President Obama. I guess we all win in the end.

Canada no need for you to worry. Even if North Korea hasn't got this nuclear
thing down to an exact science yet. I'm sure they wouldn't miss California by that
much.


Well, it wasn't solved by THIS guy, or the NEXT GUY! Obama was not yet born.

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I mean, c'mon!

rjm (First guy: dropped Nukes on Japan. Next guy: WWII GENERAL! Bad mofos! Didn't stop those N. Korean fellas!)
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Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:26 am

iplayastrat wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:It appears Mitt Romney, the U.S. Republican presidential nominee, did win one thing in 2012.



It also appears that America won a thing or two by re-electing President Obama.

North Korea now has a three-stage ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear
warhead as far as the West Coast.
It was detected 7:49 EST Wednesday night.
But unfortunately it seems America didn't know it was going to be launched. We were
caught off guard. Who's running this show?

So a big thanks to all who voted for President Obama. I guess we all win in the end.

Canada no need for you to worry. Even if North Korea hasn't got this nuclear
thing down to an exact science yet. I'm sure they wouldn't miss California by that
much.


Canada rules bitch! ;-)

Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:32 am

iplayastrat wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:It appears Mitt Romney, the U.S. Republican presidential nominee, did win one thing in 2012.



It also appears ...

Please post on-topic, or not at all.

Thank you.

Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:51 am

Does make you wonder what would happen if politicians just decided to throw the dice and be honest about their positions, instead of relying on teams of advisors and pollsters at a cost of millions.

Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:59 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
iplayastrat wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:It appears Mitt Romney, the U.S. Republican presidential nominee, did win one thing in 2012.



It also appears ...

Please post on-topic, or not at all.

Thank you.


Yes, he did. Mitt won in that he proved that there was about a 3% spread in this country between those that agreed with his views as opposed to President Obama's views.

Popular Vote
Obama 63,714,092 Percent 50.7%
Romney 59,782,295 Percent 47.6%

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/0 ... 87038.html

Sure, a winner-take-all situation -- but hardly a mandate.

Oh, and P.S., I happen to be a BIG fan of the man ("The buck stops here") from Missouri.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm

Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:09 pm

MaryAnn wrote:Oh, and P.S., I happen to be a BIG fan of the man ("The buck stops here") from Missouri.
So am I, and of course a big reason is his unstinting support for major health-care reform.
Truman fully supported national health insurance. ... Truman was strongly committed to a single universal comprehensive health insurance plan. ... It was Truman who proposed a single egalitarian system that included all classes of society, not just the working class. He emphasized that this was not “socialized medicine." ... In 1946, the Republicans took control of Congress and had no interest in enacting national health insurance. They charged that it was part of a large socialist scheme. Truman responded by focusing even more attention on a national health bill in the 1948 election. ... [But] Truman’s plan died in a congressional committee.
I have no doubt Truman, a staunch Democrat from my home state who made a similarly brave decision to make advancing civil rights a national issue in 1947, would be pleased to see his fellow party member -- the first black president -- finally make significant headway toward fulfilling his dream for a rational, national health care policy.
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Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:21 pm

Although some, like iplayastrat or MaryAnn, dance around the point, what is significant about Romney winning the "Lie of the Year" award is clearly noted in the article:

"The Jeep ad was brazenly false," Angie Drobnic Holan wrote in her analysis ...

"People often say that politicians don't pay a price for deception, but this time was different: A flood of negative press coverage rained down on the Romney campaign, and he failed to turn the tide in Ohio, the most important state in the presidential election," Holan wrote.

In other words, PolitiFact suggests that the ad was partly responsible for Romney's loss.

That's quite an ad!

Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:04 pm

He underestimated the American public's intelligence and common sense. Obama saved the auto industry to ship it overseas? Come on Mitt! As it turns out, even if he head won Ohio it would not have been enough...kudo to that state for having its BS meter turned to 11.

Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:38 pm

Mr. Romney lost the election. He is now old news. The objective is to move forward. I am certain the President would agree with that.

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Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:03 pm

KHoots wrote:Mr. Romney lost the election. He is now old news. The objective is to move forward. I am certain the President would agree with that.

The article and announcement about the ad went online yesterday, 12-12-2012, and I posted this topic yesterday, on 12-12-2012.

I find it interesting that we learn Romney may have torpedoed his own campaign by supporting that ad.

Thank you.

Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:44 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:It appears Mitt Romney, the U.S. Republican presidential nominee, did win one thing in 2012.


Romney earns PolitiFact’s ‘Lie of the Year’ for Jeeps made in China
By Rachel Rose Hartman, Yahoo! News | The Ticket

phpBB [video]



Mitt Romney's claim in a campaign ad that President Barack Obama "sold Chrysler to Italians who are going to build Jeeps in China" earned PolitiFact's "Lie of the Year," the site announced on Wednesday.

"The Jeep ad was brazenly false," Angie Drobnic Holan wrote in her analysis.

The Romney campaign ran the ad in the final weeks of the campaign, drawing sharp rebukes from the automakers and public condemnation from the Obama campaign.

Romney first claimed Jeep was moving to China in a late October campaign speech in Ohio, citing "reports," which he later identified in his ad as a story by Bloomberg News.

But Chrysler immediately rejected the claim, saying the company was reviewing adding production in China, not moving production out of the United States. Chrysler also noted that the Bloomberg story was misinterpreted.

It appeared that the false interpretation was initially made by the Washington Examiner's Paul Bedard, who wrote about the Bloomberg story Oct. 25. Bedard's claim was then circulated by the Drudge Report.

Democrats, including the Obama campaign, used Romney's decision to stand by the false claim against him, attacking Romney's honesty.

"After Romney's false claim of Jeep outsourcing to China, Chrysler itself has refuted Romney's lie," an announcer read in an Obama campaign ad that painted Romney as "wrong on Ohio jobs."

PolitiFact suggested Wednesday that the ad was partly responsible for Romney's loss.

"People often say that politicians don't pay a price for deception, but this time was different: A flood of negative press coverage rained down on the Romney campaign, and he failed to turn the tide in Ohio, the most important state in the presidential election," Holan wrote.


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-earns-politifact-lie-jeeps-made-china-143057560--election.html




He also won this:

http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/awards/fo ... award.html

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Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:23 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:
KHoots wrote:Mr. Romney lost the election. He is now old news. The objective is to move forward. I am certain the President would agree with that.

The article and announcement about the ad went online yesterday, 12-12-2012, and I posted this topic yesterday, on 12-12-2012.

I find it interesting that we learn Romney may have torpedoed his own campaign by supporting that ad.

Thank you.


I fully understand the date(s) involved, Doc. That's why I suggested we forget Mr. Romney and move forward.

Re: Mitt Romney --> Did WIn Something After All

Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:00 am

KHoots wrote:I fully understand the date(s) involved, Doc. That's why I suggested we forget Mr. Romney and move forward.

No, we should not forget. The ad -- and Romney's support of it -- should not be swept under the rug.

I defer to a famous aphorism:

"The one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again."
George Santayana