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Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:34 am

Robt wrote:Jimi Hendrix as good and theatrical as he was, IMHO does not come within a bull's roar of either Scotty or James Burton's skill and variety.

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Moore is an icon; no doubt about it. That said, he isn't in the same league as Hendrix.

Burton shouldn't even be part of the conversation. Skill and variety? What variety did Burton ever generate? There are plenty of guitarists that were better and are better at "geetar pickin" than Mr. Burton.

You clearly are not well-versed with Hendrix's body of work and the diverse skill set he had as a player and composer. You seem to have some sort of narrow view of his Woodstock performance and associate his entire career with that imagery.

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:09 am

Wrong !!!!! I do have three CD re-issues of his lifetime albums.

Correct !!!! I do not think a great deal of Hendrix's celebrated Woodstock gig, anymore. My Friend, can I just say that in my post I did add IMHO.

I also disagree with your remark about James Burton. Since the 1950's, JB was an icon and a much sought after session guitarist playing on recordings by countless and diverse other artists. Why, recently ACE UK records has brought out a CD on just some of JB's guitar work alongside other artists.

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:44 am

MB280E wrote:Ask Clapton, Blackmore, Gilmour, Beck, Alvin Lee, Page, Townsend or anyone with a reputation what are their thoughts on Hendrix and you will perhaps understand a thing or two.


This is what Ritchie Blackmore had to say about Hendrix in an interview:

"I was impressed by Hendrix. Not so much by his playing, as his attitude - he wasn't a great player,
but everything else about him was brilliant. Even the way he walked was amazing.
His guitar playing, though, was always a little bit weird."


http://www.thehighwaystar.com/interview ... 102xx.html

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:24 am

FVH, we get it, you have an infatuation with Blackmore. Many of us also dig Blackmore, but you won't find many music enthusiasts rating him higher than Hendrix on any level.

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:48 am

Robt wrote:...And Scotty Moore !!!!

Check out these
scorcher.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAkEYKd6 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HkHwKxsb8s

Let's be honest he was fifty percent the reason for ELVIS PRESLEY -1950's ROCK N ROLL ICON on the basis of his unique guitar riffs just like these and also "Hound Dog" . Hell, Scotty Moore is 50 percent the reason why we are here at all. Jimi Hendrix as good and theatrical as he was, IMHO does not come within a bull's roar of either Scotty or James Burton's skill and variety. Good short concise geetar pickin like these are a gem to hear. If I were in Scotty's position I'd be pissed off with polls such as Rolling Stone that rank Hendrix above him. Same with James and Duane Eddy.

I'll second that! Scotty, along with Chuck Berry, pretty much invented rock 'n' roll guitar. And to play with Elvis, a guitarist had to be able to play a variety of styles, because Elvis covered a lot of ground musically - pop, gospel, country, blues, and flat out rock. Hendrix is one of the best, no doubt, but let's not place him so far ahead of the pack.

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:54 pm

If it's associated with Elvis - it has to be the best!

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:33 pm

Matthew wrote:If it's associated with Elvis - it has to be the best!


What about Voice ?

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:41 pm

midnightx wrote:FVH, we get it, you have an infatuation with Blackmore. Many of us also dig Blackmore, but you won't find many music enthusiasts rating him higher than Hendrix on any level.


Nice to see that you've done research in this field so that you know exactly what's what.
Regardless of everything, that statement of yours is just stupid. Just as the guys on here who seem to know "what EP would think or would have said to so and so".
What is "many"?
Most of the "music enthusiasts" I personally know rate RB higher than Hendrix.

But, if you'd cared to see the context in the quote in my post, you'd see that someone pointed out that "if we asked i.e. Blackmore, we might understand".
Well, someone asked him, and what he said can be read in my post.
Whether or not I have an infatuation with RB is not the issue. I just happen to share his views on Hendrix' ability on the guitar.
I'd take RB - and at least 20 other guitar players - before Hendrix any time.

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:50 pm

ColinB wrote:
Matthew wrote:If it's associated with Elvis - it has to be the best!


What about Voice ?

Voice kicked ass. What else is there to know?

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:41 pm

I'd have no problem with any of these embarrassing posts if people instead of adding "in my honest opinion" to their posts, they instead write"in my honest, prejudiced, narrow-minded opinion...." That would definitely clear up all this confusion.

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:03 pm

IMETJB wrote:I'd have no problem with any of these embarrassing posts if people instead of adding "in my honest opinion" to their posts, they instead write"in my honest, prejudiced, narrow-minded opinion...." That would definitely clear up all this confusion.

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Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:42 pm

Matthew wrote:If it's associated with Elvis - it has to be the best!

James Burton doesn't need the Elvis connection to be rated among the best. Ever heard his playing on those Ricky Nelson records? How about "Susie Q"? And there are countless other sessions he's done with Merle Haggard, John Denver, Jerry Lee Lewis, even the other Elvis - Costello. There's a lot more to playing the guitar than just turning the amp up to 11, and setting it on fire. Sometimes restraint and short, concise solo's are what a song needs.

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:22 am

How is it that any time anyone expresses reservations or a negative artistic view of an artist other than Elvis, they're automatically a deranged, narrow minded, Elvis worshiping cultist? It's quite possible that some people may indeed feel that Jimi Hendrix is over hyped, and overrated. I don't happen to be one of them. However, what's proper to offer back is a defense of Hendrix's gift not ad-hominem attack.

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:31 am

elvislennon wrote:Jimi Hendrix defined the guitar more than any other musician. No other artist played in that style before and now there is only carbon copies of him. Jimi's woodstock performance is great. But I will stay that his performance at the 1970 Atlanta Pop Festival beats it and its sad they won't release that here in America. As for the list that Rolling Stone did I disagree with it but I don't disagree with #1. Jimi is plain and simple - THE BEST.


Hendrix´ Atlanta Festival performance of 1970 isn´t that great really. Ever heard Hey Baby from that show?? It is hoplessly out of tune. The guitar sound is a bit weird too imo. The Atlanta show isn´t anywhere near the Fillmore East shows from December ´69/January ´70 or The New York Pop Festival show at Randalls Island to name a few. And speaking about Hendrix live, any fan should check out the Winterland ´68 box set that was released earlier this year, it is fabulous! There is a beautiful version of Little Wing there that really showcases his more delicate, melodic sides.

Sincerely MB280E

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:45 am

IMETJB wrote:I'd have no problem with any of these embarrassing posts if people instead of adding "in my honest opinion" to their posts, they instead write"in my honest, prejudiced, narrow-minded opinion...." That would definitely clear up all this confusion.


Nah "in my honest opinion" is accurate enough :mrgreen:

A prejudiced, narrow-minded opinion ?!?? I'm a Hendrix fan since 1982 (admittedly not as huge as I once was) and the fact is there were other guitar pickers that were greater (some still going).
Sure he was innovative, theatrical and pushed the boundaries including with the blues and combined it with rock of that era to make his sound. which at the time while it was so unique, anyone could have done that. but he was the first that dared to do, but in techincal abilitty, IMHO he wasn't that great. Many guitarists around the same era were better including;.


Eric Clapton
Duane Allman
Jimmy Page
Jeff Beck
Carlos Santana

And that's just the contempories of Jimi

One last point, because he died young he has became such an iconic god like figure to many of his fans, almost beyond any sort of negative comment or review (not unlike Elvis and James Dean).

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:07 am

ColinB wrote:
Matthew wrote:If it's associated with Elvis - it has to be the best!


What about Voice ?

Elvis only worked with the best in the whole-wide world!

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:04 am

I'll add that I was not one of the fortunate few that got to see Hendrix live, but I have seen him on the big screen at Experience Music Project's JBM Theater, and it was great. Great footage, really brought out his command of the guitar, his instinctive feel for the music, stage presence...but he's not my favorite guitarist or performer. There are many, many I prefer to Jimi, but that doesn't mean I don't recognize him as an innovator or great performer. Just my personal preference. Obviously James Burton can't hold a candle to Jimi in terms of stage presence, but that wasn't his job. His job was to back up the star, and IMHO, nobody did a better job of that.And can you imagine Scotty cutting up behind Elvis, playing the guitar with his teeth, and setting his guitar on fire, maybe doing a duckwalk? No, that was not his job, Elvis was the star, but make no mistake, Scotty was an integral part of Elvis' early sound.

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:28 am

Wow that's great that you saw him Live. Did Jimi thrash his guitar too :mrgreen: What about any of the other guitar legends I mentioned previously such as Duane Eddy, SANTANA and Jeff Beck Band ? Any thoughts...

Also what do others think of this cool Hendrix instrumental-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOzfKdeTxvQ

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:12 am

midnightx wrote:
bquick wrote:On chance...it is hard to fathom liking rock and roll and not liking Hendrix.

But you are also dealing with a faction of fans that like things mostly associated with Elvis. They'll rank James Burton and Jerry Reed among the greatest guitarists of all time; even though neither are remotely in that class of guitarist. They'll embrace Tony Joe White (because Elvis covered one of his big tracks), listen to Johnny Cash (a fellow SUN artist), listen to Charlie Rich because Elvis was into him during the 70s, listen to Rick Nelson because of the Burton association, etc. You can often see the pattern. They also dismiss anyone else that has a huge, universal reputation not associated with Elvis because one, they have never really explored the other artist, and two, because everything is a competition with Elvis - and Elvis has to be number one.

Midnightx you couldn't have put it any better that this ! This should end any argument on this topic period! :smt023 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023 :smt023

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:19 am

midnightx wrote:
Robt wrote:Jimi Hendrix as good and theatrical as he was, IMHO does not come within a bull's roar of either Scotty or James Burton's skill and variety.

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OMG YOU GOT TO BE FU**KING KIDDING ME!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!

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Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:27 am

Nope. I'm very serious. If you can't provide an reasonable answer or have a problem with that then do not come onto this topic. OMG to you too, Hendrix arsekisser :roll:

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:43 pm

Robt wrote:Nope. I'm very serious. If you can't provide an reasonable answer or have a problem with that then do not come onto this topic. OMG to you too, Hendrix arsekisser :roll:


Re - read midnightx's replies he has already provided you a reasonable answer --NOW ACCEPT THE FACTS! :smt006

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:50 pm

I have and even agree with some of midnightx comments. So what is the point of your previous arty farty post ? What a turkey!

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:53 pm

nothing personal it just shocked the hell out of me for a minute .. over it now my apolgies to you sir :wink:

Re: Is Jimi Hendrix overrated and overhyped?

Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:20 pm

OK appology accepted. Let's move on, unless you have anything new to contribute.This subjected has had a long enough run.