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Obama's Foreign Policy.

Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:10 am

What is the difference between Obamas foreign policy and Bush'

It,s not readily apparent this end of the world......with wars ongoing.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Tue Feb 09, 2010 12:15 pm

KiwiAlan wrote:What is the difference between Obamas foreign policy and Bush'

It,s not readily apparent this end of the world......with wars ongoing.


He dislikes war.

Notice he hasn't started any.

The ones already raging are not so easy to pull out of.....................................

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:39 pm

Nobody likes war.

But sending in an extra 30,000 is hardly peaceful.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:41 pm

KiwiAlan wrote:Nobody likes war.

But sending in an extra 30,000 is hardly peaceful.


Something is already started that he can't walk away from.

The extra troops might end things more quickly........................

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:45 pm

Yeah...that sure worked in Vietnam.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:47 pm

KiwiAlan wrote:Yeah...that sure worked in Vietnam.


Well, he may not have got it right.

But he's more of a pacifist than his predecessor, so I'm willing to cut him a little slack..................

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:55 pm

Let's say the jury is still out on that :D

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:57 pm

KiwiAlan wrote:Let's say the jury is still out on that :D


Yes.

His actions in the coming months/years will show whether he can live up to the rhetoric.........................

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:56 am

Too bad we couldn't have gotten Bush Jr. for a third term. He'd know what to do!

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:18 am

drjohncarpenter wrote:Too bad we couldn't have gotten Bush Jr. for a third term. He'd know what to do!


Yup. He always knew the answers. Even before he heard the questions. That's the way it is with ideologues.

Here is how Obama's foreign policy is different from Bush:
1) He hasn't started any new wars.
2) He's set a timetable for withdrawl in Iraq.
3) He has shown that he is open to engaging the world community, and realizes that you can't simply piss all over your allies.
4) He has attempted (although imperfectly) to restore the rule of law -both domestic and international- when dealing with enemies.
5) He hasn't yet donned a flight suit or staged a photo-op to declare victory in an ongoing war.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:26 am

Obama's foreign policy: Running around the world apologizing and telling everybody how bad is the U.S. is.


RKS

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:22 am

THEMEMPHISFAN wrote:Obonehead is a mighty fine "citizen", ain't he?

When he became president, his wife said that she was "finally proud" to be an American.

I suppose once his little worthless, skinny butt is booted out of The White House in January of 2013, she won't be "proud" to be an American, anymore. Such mighty fine folks!

Your comments are colored by your ignorance.

Give it a rest, my friend.

President Obama, our wonderful leader, is going to be in office until January 20, 2017.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:44 am

THEMEMPHISFAN wrote:And btw - president obonehead is your wonderful leader. He's nothing but a liberal/socialist minded fool to me. I do not respect him or his cabinet and never will.

Boy, the next seven years are going to suck real hard for you.

A tear?

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:46 am

At least if you're going to criticize (and this is not aimed at Kiwi's initial post which is a subject many have pondered) criticize something real. In no way can this man's intelligence be questioned. In no way.

And please put away the socialist bit. It really has no basis in reality.

As for ruining the country, GWB was one who sent the US into endless wars, racked up record deficits, presided over the ruin of a major city and destroyed the economy. Obama started with the country in a crap hole, he didn't put it there.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:42 am

KingOfTheJungle wrote:
drjohncarpenter wrote:Too bad we couldn't have gotten Bush Jr. for a third term. He'd know what to do!


Yup. He always knew the answers. Even before he heard the questions. That's the way it is with ideologues.

Here is how Obama's foreign policy is different from Bush:
1) He hasn't started any new wars.
2) He's set a timetable for withdrawl in Iraq.
3) He has shown that he is open to engaging the world community, and realizes that you can't simply piss all over your allies.
4) He has attempted (although imperfectly) to restore the rule of law -both domestic and international- when dealing with enemies.
5) He hasn't yet donned a flight suit or staged a photo-op to declare victory in an ongoing war.


That was already on the table really. He ended up sticking largely with what had already been decided. Many expected a much swifter withdrawal (not sure why, because he never explicitly said that), but I think he did the right thing.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 5:04 pm

likethebike wrote:As for ruining the country, GWB was one who sent the US into endless wars, racked up record deficits, presided over the ruin of a major city and destroyed the economy. Obama started with the country in a crap hole, he didn't put it there.


As with the weather data all that has happened isn't so easily explained away in one term..even two.

There is not sole blame, but actually I put it more on Clinton then both. He enjoyed a nice ride because of changes that were made before him. It is so easy to put the blame game on a specific president in office, but the world economy does not change so swiftly in regards to laying fault.

G.W. Bush was a huge dissapointment to practically everyone but it naive to think there aren't others that should fall in line to the blame. Remember there was a congress that went along with it....and on and on.

I hate how the country has become so divided that people put it either this guy...or that guy is to blame.

Look at the fanboys when it comes to Obama, acting as if he can do no wrong. I will criticize when he makes mistakes as opposed to the idiot "go Obama...nah nah...he serves another term" That kind of thinking is completely dangerous.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:51 pm

GW Bush has complete ownership of Iraq and everything that went with it. Even the congress people who voted with it were lied to. And of course, they authorized force they did not force it. Similarly, the endless Afghanistan crisis is largely a result of his failures as Commander in Chief to catch Osama Bin Laden.

And while deficits can be equally shared by the congress and president, it should be noted that when Bill Clinton left office, the country was running a rare surplus. What's more, if congress was running wild, GW Bush could have vetoed it. In his first six years in office, he vetoed no spending bills.

The economy could be shared equally by the free market Jesus crowd of which unfortunately Bill Clinton was a member. The economy was not destroyed over night. It took nearly three decades of bad decisions from both parties, although, once again GWB's part was not small. (Appointing regulators who did not like to regulate, resisting any significant changes in law to catch those who found new ways to abuse the system etc.)

It is unreasonable to expect Obama to rectify three decades of bad decision making in one year.

Memphis Fan- Give me one reason why Obama's intelligence should be questioned. One.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:49 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:...President Obama, our wonderful leader, is going to be in office until January 20, 2017.

Don't you mean "Dear Leader?"

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:50 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:Too bad we couldn't have gotten Bush Jr. for a third term. He'd know what to do!

Too bad there is no Bush Jr.!

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:56 pm

likethebike wrote:...The economy could be shared equally by the free market Jesus crowd of which unfortunately Bill Clinton was a member.

Don't worry. If Doc's prediction is accurate, we'll be rid of that evil free market by 2017.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:32 am

THEMEMPHISFAN wrote:Jack and Coke, Don't forget to mention the evil "Jesus crowd".

I have only one thing to say to likethebike, obonehead, joe b.s. biden, and that skanky piece of worthless trash (nancy pelosi) : DON'T TREAD ON ME.


THEMEMPHISFAN

Given your pain, here is something you might want to use:

http://www.1800flyeurope.com/

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:11 am

"Free market Jesus" is a phrase used to designate those who believe in an unregulated free market to the point of religious intensity, regardless of any inconvenient facts that get in the way of their thesis. Market regulations, labor laws, minium wage, they're against it. It was this orthodoxy that caused valuable walls to be taken down like the prohibition of an investment bank merging with commercial banks which helped lead to the current crisis. It's also the orthodoxy that allowed President Bush to pepper his regulatory agencies with industry insiders who had a passion against regulating. In congressional testimony, even a former big time free marketer like Alan Greenspan has confessed to the need for a strong regulatory arm of the federal government.

Memphis Fan's criticism of Obama is substanceless. That is why he continues to insult the president's skill and intelligence while at the same time parsing his language to make it seem as if he is not engaging in that activity. His lack of specifics means that he has no legitimate criticism to level at the president. This goes for the president's so called socialist agenda as well as for his so called lack of wisdom.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:22 am

THEMEMPHISFAN wrote:No thanks, doc. I have no "pain"

Your voluminous posts on the subject tell a different story.

THEMEMPHISFAN wrote:Since your people are trying to fundamentally transform the United States Of America into something else ...

"Your people"?

Obama won in part because even conservatives were fed up with what Bush did to this country, thought McCain was a dud, and believed he was the right man for the job. All the current administration hopes to do is:

1) Repair all the damage done by the previous administration, domestically and internationally
2) Return the country to greatness

Don't be afraid!

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:38 am

THEMEMPHISFAN wrote:No thanks, doc. I have no "pain" and I don't need or want a flight anywhere.
Since your people are trying to fundamentally transform the United States Of America into something else, let them catch a flight somewhere to start their own pathetic country.

Hope this helps - MEMPHISFAN


What? What are they trying to transform it into? What???? What move has this administration made to transform the nation, a stimulus bill? You don't even know why you're angry.

Re: Obama's Foreign Policy.

Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:21 am

It's very odd that many people think being anti-Obama = being pro-Bush.