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I heard...that the Italian said to Zizou his mother was an Algerian b..ch....
a few times...really..I`m not joking..this is why he became so upset..

Italy wasn´t by far the best team...they were just the lucky ones...anyway..

Other rumours say South Africa isn`t able to orgaqnize the next games..
The stadiums aren`t built....they don´t even kow where to place them..
Money is lacking and the infra structure with streets and hotels is by far under developped..
The USA are considered as a substitute...does anybody of our American friends know more..??


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Italy should be ashamed of how bad they played in this WC....and the gift (penalty) that the referee gave them against Australia.
The only match the played well was against Germasny
Anyway I still think they were lucky....that's all
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You`ve nailed it.....ale..!!!!!!!


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Hey Melanie, that's a great clip! I thought the same when C. Ronaldo flung himself. What a prat to hold his leg like that.

Hopefully he'll break his ankle falling over one of these days. :wink:

That or a red card from a brave referee.

The third place match came alive in the second half and I was thrilled to see the Germans win. My late half sister was half German so she would have been delighted.

As for the final, that will go down in history for the wrong reasons. Zidane was lucky with his penalty, but Italy had the better of the first half. It was a great header by Materazzi (why did he never do this for my Everton?!), despite Barthez's dodgy positioning. He always looks uncomfortable in goal. Surely that's it for him?

France were the best team for the rest of the match, although Toni was slightly unlucky to see his header ruled out for offside (as the other Italian didn't interfere with the ball, he wasn't strictly active).

Then came Zidane's moment of madness. Whatever Materazzi said, Zidane should not have lost it in that manner. We seem to forget he has a bad temper (more red cards than Roy Keane!) but it worked for Italy. I just hope this doesn't overshadow what has been a tremendous career. To see him walking past the trophy on his way to an early bath...what an image. With their talismanic captain's career ending in disgrace, France looked lost. Penalties are always a lottery, but for once luck sided with the Italians. Good.

I've really enjoyed this WC (watched 42 of the matches) but TJ is right to say that no great team won.

Best player has to be Cannavaro who marshaled his defence superbly.

So many of the stars underperformed: Rooney, Owen, Lampard, Ronaldinho, Messi, even Henry and Ronaldo despite their three goals.


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londonflash wrote:Hey Melanie, that's a great clip! I thought the same when C. Ronaldo flung himself. What a prat to hold his leg like that.

Hopefully he'll break his ankle falling over one of these days. :wink:

That or a red card from a brave referee.

The third place match came alive in the second half and I was thrilled to see the Germans win. My late half sister was half German so she would have been delighted.

As for the final, that will go down in history for the wrong reasons. Zidane was lucky with his penalty, but Italy had the better of the first half. It was a great header by Materazzi (why did he never do this for my Everton?!), despite Barthez's dodgy positioning. He always looks uncomfortable in goal. Surely that's it for him?

France were the best team for the rest of the match, although Toni was slightly unlucky to see his header ruled out for offside (as the other Italian didn't interfere with the ball, he wasn't strictly active).

Then came Zidane's moment of madness. Whatever Materazzi said, Zidane should not have lost it in that manner. We seem to forget he has a bad temper (more red cards than Roy Keane!) but it worked for Italy. I just hope this doesn't overshadow what has been a tremendous career. To see him walking past the trophy on his way to an early bath...what an image. With their talismanic captain's career ending in disgrace, France looked lost. Penalties are always a lottery, but for once luck sided with the Italians. Good.

I've really enjoyed this WC (watched 42 of the matches) but TJ is right to say that no great team won.

Best player has to be Cannavaro who marshaled his defence superbly.

So many of the stars underperformed: Rooney, Owen, Lampard, Ronaldinho, Messi, even Henry and Ronaldo despite their three goals.
The diving is a huge problem, it's really cheapens the game. When the guy from Italy, who was barely touched, dove and then lay on the ground writhing in pain like he'd been shot with a cannon pulled that stunt, even die-hard soccer fans near me commented out loud how phony that is. After taking a two-minute breather, he jumped up like the game was just starting, looking fresh as a daisy. These idiots are the guys that ruin it for people such myself who tried really hard to give this sport a chance, given that I didn't grow up with it.



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The coaches with the greatest mistakes:

Pekerman:
For taking his aggressive man (Riquelme)out and wanting to hold the 1 -0 vs Germany instead of bringing his forward Messie to make the match clear..

The Brazil coach:
For not recognizing that his established stars are just a shadow of their former selves.
Why not bringing his youngsters Robinho, Adriano, Juninho instaed ??

The coach with the best decision:
The Italian coach Lippi for bringing the second forward vs Germany and not playing defensive like the Germans expected.


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Joe Car wrote:The diving is a huge problem, it's really cheapens the game. When the guy from Italy, who was barely touched, dove and then lay on the ground writhing in pain like he'd been shot with a cannon pulled that stunt, even die-hard soccer fans near me commented out loud how phony that is. After taking a two-minute breather, he jumped up like the game was just starting, looking fresh as a daisy. These idiots are the guys that ruin it for people such myself who tried really hard to give this sport a chance, given that I didn't grow up with it.
I see your points. Diving and poor officiating are a great point of conversation and controversy, but are not a real problem. It's like working the system. If you've got diving down to a science so that it looks like a foul then you're probably going to keeping doing it. And it all depends on the ref's position at the exact moment -- a good ref can differentiate between diving and a real foul and I think should just let play go on, ignoring the idiocy. When the cards should start coming out is when it's 2 minutes left, you're tied 1-1 and it's the WC final or something and you dive looking for the PK. And any good fan knows when their team plays like crap and is trying to get cheap free kicks. Do I condone diving and blatant fouls? No, but honestly, what are you gonna do about it? As far as diving, it's like a little kid, if you ignore it enough the player will realize that the ref isn't giving them the time of day and will stop. And at best it is melodrama and hilarious to watch some of the actors at work.




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As an Italian born living in Australia, I have to say - What an Awesome Achievement, World Champions!!
I remember '82 but I was just 10 years old, so this victory in 2006 is something to savor. These things may only come around once in a lifetime - its a great feeling....
It was so tense throughout the game, either side could have won it and deservedly so.
I have played football (soccer) most of my life, and would have preferred the game be decided in regulation time. To have it decided on a shootout is hard to take, but I suppose, on the upside, what a dramatic finale to an fantastic World Cup.
Italy are deserved winners nonetheless. Sure, the French had the bulk of the controlled possession in the second half but failed to break down the tightly knit Italian defence led by the superb Cannavaro.
Luck plays a big part. Italy rode their luck against Australia, but at the same time, the French penalty in the 7th minute was dubious, and the goal by Luca Toni in the 63rd minute adjudged offside - well..
In football you win some, you lose some.
Putting my biased hat on, after a run of outs with the shootout, it finally went Italy's way.
In my humble opinion, apart from the USA game, Italy were the best defensively disciplined team unit, and unlike previous Italian teams, were much more attacking minded 12 goals for, 2 against. Hence their position on the podium.

On Zidane, I'm sorry he was sent off, but I suppose the rules are there - you cannout head butt an opponent, and not receive anything. More often than not, the retaliator is the one punished.
Mind you, whatever Materazzi said, he shouldn't of said - that puts a blight on the game.
I have followed Zidane's career ever since he arrived at Juventus. He is a great player, and should be remembered as one of the World's best, not for his indiscretion late in 2006 final.
His photo should hang at the Louvre (as a manner of speaking) he's achieved so much.
I, for one, will miss him on the World stage.

FORZA ITALIA!!!!!

Commiserations France - Great Tournament!


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JOHN I wrote:As an Italian born living in Australia, I have to say - What an Awesome Achievement, World Champions!!
I remember '82 but I was just 10 years old, so this victory in 2006 is something to savor.
Italy are deserved winners nonetheless. Sure, the French had the bulk of the controlled possession in the second half but failed to break down the tightly knit Italian defence led by the superb Cannavaro.
the French penalty in the 7th minute was dubious, and the goal by Luca Toni in the 63rd minute adjudged offside - well..


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What a great reply and I wholeheartedly agree, Thanks John.

Man, did the ball have a mind of it's own or what :?: I was for certain Pirlo had another goal with his kick, when suddenly the ball curved to the left :!: :shock:

I will admit, France played great and in the 2nd half came out much more hungry, but somehow the Italian defense was always back in there full swing. I was also happy to see Henry paying respect and giving acknowledgment to the Italians in interviews, but the real problem, (For Many) lay with Zidane.

We are talkin' about a professional sportsman here, not a damn wrestler or barbarian. I have watched that clip 20 times over and over and Zidane had plenty of time, ( 6 1/2 seconds to be precise) to think about his actions, regardless of what, or if, Materazzi actually said anything that could provoke such a unwarranted act. I also came to find out that he has this "Head Buttin" thing happen on a few occassions before.

Zidane's red card was anything but unusual. He was sent off "14 times" in his career at the club and international level.

In this case, even against the most ridiculous situations or odds, what should have propelled Zidane forward was perseverance, responsibilty, determination and integrity towards his teamates, his passion and love for game and the country he stood for and represented. And now, he goes out like a goat...

In finishing, I had hoped, (and prayed Italy would win), but I was aware of the history of the penalty kicks with the Italian team, so by this time, I had chewed my nails down to the nub :!:

5 perfectly clean legit goals and so it goesout with Fabio Grosso...

If past great teams can win with penalty kicks, then so can Italy :!:

I am happy they are 4 time CIAMPIONATE IL DEL MONDO World Cup Leaders.

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Zidane had bad scenes throughout his career.
Really seems he hasn`t his nerves under control.
It`s a pitty cause he should be an example for others.

Melanie...thanks for the clips...


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Not bad Minkahed,
CIAMPIONATE IL DEL MONDO

We'll have you fluent in Italian yet! :wink: :wink: :wink:

It should read:

CAMPIONI DEL MONDO !! (1934, 1938, 1982, 2006)
WORLD CHAMPIONS !!!

"If past great teams can win with penaly kicks, then so can Italy"
Here, Here..

Let's not forget Brazil whom the general populus see as the greatest, won the World Cup in USA94 on penaly kicks, against none other than the Italians. And they too failed to penetrate the Italian defence that day - the game finished nil all in regulation time.
But no-one considers them lucky......................


P.S. Sorry Minkahed, I don't know how to copy another posters' post or quote.....

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minkahed wrote:Correction, the popularity of Soccer, (Futbol) in America has always been popular, granted, not at the level of Football or Baseball, but has definetely shown promise as growing in interest, especially in the last decade.

It is especially popular amongst the youngsters and in schools.

I don't have the exact stats, but On ESPN news last nite, they reported that the viewer ratings for the Germany vs. Italy went thru the roof :!:
I have to admit I enjoyed checking in on the end of the final game, but I still can't like soccer ("football") as much as I'd like to. I do appreciate the truly global aspect of it, much as I do with track & field ("athletics"), probably my second favorite sport next to baseball. What one grows up with truly makes a huge difference. (I'm not much for US football, either.)

I thought that this article below offers a nice counterpoint from a sourpuss American point of view :lol: :
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One World Cup


Soccer gives American elites the chance to celebrate nationalism in other countries but not ours.



By Steve Sailer


Just as Brazil, soccer’s dominant nation, has been the “Country of the Future” for, roughly, ever, the quadrennial arrival of another month-long World Cup reminds us that, for Americans, soccer is the Sport of the Future and always will be. Every four years Americans get lectured that the World Cup is the biggest single-sport competition on Earth and that we’ll no doubt be hopping on this global bandwagon Real Soon Now.

Yet during the first weekend of the 2006 event, more people in America watched the World Cup on foreign-language networks such as Univision than on English-language ABC. Univision has paid $325 million for the Spanish-language rights in America to the 2010 and 2014 World Cups, while Disney (ABC and ESPN) chipped in only $100 million for the English-language rights to these same 128 games. NBC, in contrast, bought the 2010 Winter Olympics and 2012 Summer Olympics for $2.2 billion.

Lately, though, a soccer-crazed fraction of our post-nationalist verbal elite has switched tactics and now implies that Americans will never get excited about soccer as a spectator sport because we just don’t deserve “the beautiful game.” In the new anthology The Thinking Fan’s Guide to the World Cup, novelist Dave Eggers contends that watching soccer on TV hasn’t caught on here because “people of influence in America long believed that soccer was the chosen sport of Communists. … If you were soccer, the sport of kings, would you want the adulation of a people who elected Bush and Cheney, not once but twice?”

This World Cup in Germany offers the soccerati the opportunity to flaunt their cosmopolitanism as they elucidate the exhilarating subtleties you likely missed in that Croatia-Japan nil-nil draw because you prefer native pastimes such as baseball, basketball, or, God forbid, NASCAR. The “celebrate diversity” folk want America to become athletically homogeneous with the rest of the world. To them, the tepid American response to the World Cup is evidence of our bigotry, our xenophobic failure to get with the global program. As Kevin Michael Grace says, their slogan would be “One people, one world, one sport,” if they weren’t so freaked out by all the host-country fans waving German flags. Ironically, while the World Cup is an occasion for globalist preening in the U.S., in the rest of the world it’s a prime locus for jingoism.

A common defense among intellectual soccer advocates against charges of status-climbing is that they are instead welcoming the Hispanicization of America by mass immigration. But in truth, soccer is growing in the U.S. on two distinctly separate tracks, the immigrant and the upper middle class.

When my family lived in Chicago’s Uptown neighborhood, an immigrant entryway where 100 different languages are supposedly spoken in two square miles, every Saturday morning the adjoining soccer fields would swarm with white yuppie families from the posh Lincoln Park neighborhood attending American Youth Soccer Organization games. Intrigued, my wife repeatedly called AYSO to sign our boys up, but she got the runaround until she finally swore that, despite living in an immigrant neighborhood, our boys were not demonically gifted foreign soccer dervishes but just American-born klutzes like the rest of the league.

As with many aspects of American life, however, where the tangible contributions of Latin American immigration have been slower to arrive than forecasted by the advocates of multiculturalism, the enormous Hispanic influx into America has had less impact on American soccer than the census numbers would suggest. Only two of the 23 players on the U.S. World Cup roster have Spanish surnames. In contrast, six players are black, even though African-Americans overall show little interest in the game.

Soccer is by no means a bad sport to play. It’s fun, good exercise, cheap, and, unlike basketball or football, it doesn’t help to be 7-feet tall or 300 pounds. In fact, soccer shares many virtues with hiking, but there are no hiking hooligans and nobody calls you a chauvinistic boor if you don’t watch Sweden v. Paraguay on TV in the World Hiking Cup.

The American professional classes have learned that soccer is a terrific game for small children. In comparison, tee-ball generates farce, while Little League baseball inflicts humiliation on rightfielders who drop fly balls, strike out, and get picked off. (Not that I’m bitter or anything.) Via random Brownian motion, a soccer team of tykes is almost guaranteed to stumble into a few goals. (That’s why college robot-building competitions typically feature soccer matches.) When my five-year-old would trot off the field after one of his AYSO games, which he spent discussing the Power Rangers with his opponents while occasionally swiping at the ball as it rolled past, he’d brightly inquire, “Did we win? How many goals did I score?”

To us Americans, a kids’ soccer game doesn’t look all that different from the endlessly ineffectual endeavors of the scoreless 1994 Brazil-Italy World Cup final in the Rose Bowl. Similarly, because we can’t recognize quality soccer, we’re as happy to root for our women as our men. We were ecstatic over America’s victory in the 1999 Women’s World Cup of soccer. We’d beaten the world! When cynics pointed out that the world, other than China and Norway, doesn’t much care about women’s soccer, well, that just made us even prouder of how liberated our women are, compared to those poor, oppressed women of Paris, Milan, and London, whose consciousnesses haven’t been raised enough to want to trade in their Manolo Blahniks for soccer spikes.

Why is soccer played so much around the world? The countless hand-eye co-ordination sports like tennis, golf, ping-pong, and boxing are more popular taken together than foot-eye coordination sports like soccer, hacky sack, and tlachtli (that Aztec ballgame where every contest was sudden death—the losing team captain was sacrificed to the gods). Yet no single sport commands a large market share of hand games, while soccer holds a gigantic slice among foot games—perhaps not surprisingly when considering the quality of the competition—and thus its position as the top sport.

Unfortunately, there’s a cost to abjuring the use of the opposable thumb: competence. While the average National Basketball Association team sinks three dozen field goals per 48-minute game, the all-star squads in the knockout rounds of the 2002 World Cup averaged less than one goal per 90-minute game. The reason soccer so often seems like an exercise in futility is that it’s played with the wrong part of the anatomy.

For a conspicuous component of our alienated punditry, though, soccer’s ennui is perversely attractive. The New Republic, under the editorship of Franklin Foer, author of the 2004 book How Soccer Explains the World: An Unlikely Theory of Globalization, has gone gaga over the World Cup.

Geopolitical theories of soccer (and soccer theories of geopolitics) trace back at least to Henry Kissinger’s bravura 1986 essay on how differences in national character are embodied in the contrasting styles of their teams. Dr. K. majestically analogized:

The German national team plays the way its general staff prepared for the war. . . . At the same time, [it] suffers from the same disability as the famous Schlieffen plan for German strategy in World War I. There is a limit to human foresight; psychological stress on those charged with executing excessively complex maneuvers cannot be calculated in advance. If the German team falls behind, or if its intricate approach yields no results, its game is shadowed by the underlying national premonition that in the end even the most dedicated effort will go unrewarded, by the nightmare that ultimately fate is cruel.

Sadly, it has been downhill for soccer highbrowisms ever since, with The New Republic posting endless World Cup Deep Thoughts, including a classic on the psychosexual relationship between “the Suez Canal conflict of 1963” and the rise of English soccer hooliganism. (Uh, actually, Suez was in 1956.)

Obsessing over soccer has “been a way of resisting assimilation, because it’s always been such a foreign phenomenon in the country,” explains Foer, who was raised in our nation’s capital by his baseball-crazed father. So Foer isn’t “resisting assimilation,” but de-assimilating away from his native culture. Not surprisingly, Foer has denounced American criticism of soccer as “Buchananite.”

The irony is that if soccer were a traditional American game, these same commentators would be excoriating it as politically retrograde. Around the world, soccer fans are far more explicitly nationalist, uneducated, working class, and reactionary (not that there’s anything wrong with that!) than those of any American sport other than professional wrestling. To the American alienists, however, lauding foreign nativists illustrates their cultural and moral superiority over their fellow Americans.

Outside the U.S., soccer players don’t start out too bright on average and a lifetime of bouncing balls off their skulls doesn’t improve matters. Not surprisingly, soccer statistics only recently surpassed the rudimentary. If Bill James, the great baseball numbers analyst, had been born in a soccer country, he would have expired of mental inanition.

In Tony Blair’s vulgarized Cool Britannia, it looks like the class war is over and the chavs have won. Even the most expensively educated captains of industry, the fans of cricket, rugby, and golf, must proclaim that since boyhood they have stood on the terraces with the lads. Because the game is only minimally entertaining to watch, it leaves many idle minds to become the devil’s workshop. While hooliganism has ebbed since 1989, when 94 fans died in a stampede at Hillsborough Stadium in Sheffield, England, and no country has invaded a soccer rival since the 1967 Futbol War between El Salvador and Honduras that cost about 2,000 lives, the level of off-field violence remains wholly alien to American sports.

To the common people of Europe, whose ancient nation-states are being dissolved by immigration, economic globalization, and the Eurocrats of Brussels, soccer provides a rare outlet for expressing their love of country. Unfortunately, in the minds of the ruling caste of Europe, the linkage between national pride and soccer hooliganism only reinforces their belief that all people of quality disdain patriotism.

While soccer is usually extolled or derided as a Eurosport—Tom Piatak calls it “the metric system in short pants”—it is actually another triumph of Anglo-Saxon culture. Sports have been played all over the world for all of history, but 19th-century Britain and its offshoots possessed a genius for self-organization. The Victorian emphasis on fair play created enough trust for local sportsmen to be able to co-operate nationally. Most of today’s major spectator sports, such as baseball, basketball, track and field, ice hockey, boxing, cricket, tennis, and golf, were formalized by English-speakers in the 1800s.

Soccer, rugby, and American football evolved out of medieval English mass mêlées in which the livelier lads of rival villages would celebrate Shrove Tuesday by trying to propel an inflated pig’s bladder past the other mob. In England, soccer became the gentleman’s game played by thugs and rugby the thug’s game played by gentlemen.

Today, the English Premier League, which formed in 1992 with the backing of Rupert Murdoch’s satellite TV channel, is the biggest money circuit in all of soccer, with the most fans around the world. In contrast, the professional leagues in Brazil, home to the best playing talent, are moribund due to corruption, with almost all their best players in Europe.

Strikingly, one place where soccer is not terribly popular is in Britain’s cultural offspring. Being equally blessed with co-operative creativity, Canadians instead devised ice hockey and Australians developed Aussie rules football.

Similarly, Americans didn’t need to import soccer or rugby because we could cultivate our own variant. American football was adopted by the Republic’s commercial classes and refined into the most perfect sport for television the world has known. While soccer remains hamstrung by the need to keep the game affordable in the Third World, Americans could adopt costly innovations such as separate offensive and defensive units that make the football far more exciting than soccer, where tired players often visibly dog it around the field.

In summary, Americans play soccer—at least until we are co-ordinated enough to try other sports—but we don’t watch it on TV. Quite possibly, we’ve found the world’s best way to deal with soccer.
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What I don't get why they have to be insulting people who play soccer or and like soccer. Also I don't get why the rest of the world is amazed that Americans don't like soccer. Every World Cuop we have that thing ...

Soccer can be really really boring scoring 10 goals and it can be really fun even thou it was 0-0.

Soccer as many sports is about tradition. As you said Greg, you like baseball. Well I'm sure you have some memories of the game, and some other things that go around. Same happen with soccer.

Baseball is really boring for me ...I tried but its plain boring.



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Steve Sailer....doesn`t play soccer ....does he...??.... :wink:


Klinsmann ...our coach...quits his job.....

May be because he`s living in the US with his family..
May be because as long as you`re successful you´re a hero..
if not you`re nothing but a clown..


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And Ghetto, all that frantic and mostly fruitless running around (with nary a point to be found) is mostly puzzling to US fans, and yes, terribly boring. But as I said, one has to get into the sport and be steeped into it, and truly know and appreciate the rules to understand the silences, the tension, etc. This is true for both games.

By the way, I posted that for perspective as they've been saying forever that soccer/ football will take over here in the US but I rather doubt it.

But I again enjoyed the spectacle, so no hard feelings and I'm glad you all enjoyed yourselves. Regarding the 'Cup, we're slightly jealous about your caring so much... :lol:


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I don't take opinions to seriously...

After all, there just opinions...

But as for American "Football"... :?:

How much more "Boring" can You get :?:

Quartback throws the ball...

The ball is ran maybe 3 yards, 4 at the most...

Bam...Tackle.

Start over...


Ooh...


Exciting... :roll:


Baseball :?:

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minkahed wrote:I don't take opinions to seriously...

After all, there just opinions...

But as for American "Football"... :?:

How much more "Boring" can You get :?:

Quartback throws the ball...

The ball is ran maybe 3 yards, 4 at the most...

Bam...Tackle.

Start over...


Ooh...


Exciting... :roll:


Baseball :?:

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I see your point about baseball, but football, especially college football is awesome. You want true warriors, watch hockey, especially the playoffs.
They are by far the toughest s.o.b.'s around.



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The world is not amazed that a lot of Americans are not interested soccer. It's the press. In other news: The Chicago Tribune is reporting 16.9 million for the final in the USA. (11.9 million on ABC, and 5 million on Univision). In comparison the NBA Finals averaged 12.9 million and the World Series averaged 17.1 million.



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Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:
By the way, I posted that for perspective as they've been saying forever that soccer/ football will take over here in the US but I rather doubt it.
Our coach - Klinsmann - reportedly will become coach of the US team.
Then soccer will get a different image in the USA....be assured, friend.. :wink:


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Mink and Joe: I find both baseball and soccer to be boring...IF you don't grow up with it. It's that simple.

Likewise, even "action-heavy" sports like the NFL, basketball, and hockey are full of frantic energy but it's not a given anyone gives a rat's ass absent a fan's apprenticeship into the game, usually via a parent, a local league, watching it regularly in person or on TV. Otherwise, all comments are sheer opinions, absent of any perspective of where they come from. (I'd never be a track fan without having grown up with it in my family, as in the US since 1970- when it was still a big sport to be found on TV- it's all but disappeared until the Olympics every four years. So I say it's what you're exposed to...)

That is, it's what you grow up with - and thereby come to understand.

Melanie, given our nearly open borders and historically-unprecented immigration from all corners of the globe, it should surprise no one that among new Americans (and new immigrants) that the World Cup was a hit. The ratings would reflect that.

Do a breakdown, however, of those who have been here for multiple generations (and already committed to the NFL, NBC, Nascar, Baseball, etc, etc.) and soccer still is quite low in that middle to wealthy, traditional "Middle of the road" "American" demographic's concerns. As some say, that may be the biggest obstacle yet for soccer/football, here: there's no room for it in terms of sports pages, bandwidth, radio time, etc.

They've been saying since the heyday of Pele in the '70s that soccer / football is "on the cusp" and "up and coming" but it's not happening just yet. The impact of taking in all comers from all over means that we most likely will see soccer /football actually get more popular here.


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Ciscoking wrote:The coaches with the greatest mistakes:

Pekerman:
For taking his aggressive man (Riquelme)out and wanting to hold the 1 -0 vs Germany instead of bringing his forward Messie to make the match clear..

The Brazil coach:
For not recognizing that his established stars are just a shadow of their former selves.
Why not bringing his youngsters Robinho, Adriano, Juninho instaed ??

The coach with the best decision:
The Italian coach Lippi for bringing the second forward vs Germany and not playing defensive like the Germans expected.
May I just add Sven Goran Eriksson to the list?

First, he decides to take only four strikers and nine midfielders (one of whom he never used!)

Two of those strikers went into the tournament with major injuries from which they had hardly recovered.

Another had only made two sub appearances for his country in competitive internationals.

T'other was a 17 year old child who has still to make his debut in top flight football.

The players were distracted by the presence of the WAG's (wives and girlfriends) and given days off when they should have been training. You only need to watch England's performances to see that their fitness levels were appalling, in comparision to the super-fit Germans who benefited from imaginative training.

His tactics were wildly off-course. Playing Owen and pumping long balls to him (probably more long-balls in one England game than most other nations played in the entire competition!). And look at all the teams who made it through to the final stages; no chopping and changing of the system...no need to guess what Sven did - employed a system no one was comfortable with!

No discipline. Rooney was allowed to sulk following his substitution against Sweden...Eriksson was too soft and not passionate enough. His players were cosseted in their hotel and kept away from the fans whereas Germany, Brazil etc mixed with the supporters, happily stopping to sign autographs and have their picture taken etc.

Not brave enough to replace an ailing Beckham quickly enough.

I'm sure there's more but that'll do.

World Cup? In Eriksson's case, it's World Chump. :x


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And on top of that he earns 50 times more than the coach of Sweden..

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And maybe we should have our own fecc World Cup awards?

Best player: Cannavaro. The way he commanded that Italian back four was to see a masterclass in the art of defending. When he made the tackle, he didn't just hoof the ball upfield, he passed it to a team-mate. Cool under pressure.

Biggest disapponitment: England. So much hype and hope, nothing was delivered.

Best goal: Oooh, a toughie. Lahm's strike against Costa Rica was special becasue it heralded the start of a football feast, and no one expected him to score. Joe Cole's wonder-goal against Sweden was sweet, as was Maxi Rodruiguez's effort against Mexico. However, it's got to be Cambiasso's shot for Argentina against S and M (!). A clever run of passes and a cool finish. A real team goal.

Best shirt: Brazil, Italy, Holland (both), England (red).

Comic moment: Poll's three yellow cards. In England, referees (especially Poll and Jeff Winter) regard themselves as celebrities on a par with the players. Let's hope Graham "I'm the best ref in the world and I'm going to be in charge of the final" Poll has learned his lesson!

Best moment: The Ronaldo's record breaking fifteenth World Cup goal against Ghana. Who thought he'd achieve that after the Croatia game?

Worst moment: Owen's injury against Sweden. One minute into his reunion with Rooney and he was crawling off the field with an injury that will keep him out of the game until August 2007. It also proved the shortcomings of Eriksson's selection policy. I saw the World Cup disappear with that one.

Most exciting team: Argentina. What have their coaches got against Aimar?

Best coach: Klinsman, maybe Lippi.

Special idiot award for Cristiano Ronaldo for his dives...I believe there's a role in Coronation Street awaiting him.

Time to go - please feel free to add new categories!


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Worst famous player: Ronaldo.


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After his disastrous World Cup, Brazil's Ronaldinho has decided to retire from International football and focus instead on looking after his dogs.....

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