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Global Child Molesting Ring Busted: String 'em Up?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:33 pm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11839832/

Good riddence!

And a good article came from Parade Magazine about combatting
child porn:

http://www.parade.com/articles/editions ... rew_Vachss
Last edited by Gregory Nolan Jr. on Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:09 pm

Very little internet child porn originates in the UK.

The vast majority comes from the US & Russia.

BTW, Greg, your avatar is giving me the willies !

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:02 am

Glad to hear it, Colin. :lol:

Not to worry, though: I hope to retire it when the spirit moves me.

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I'd like to think that such a child porn crackdown has universal support.
There's no one saying it's over-kill, is there? :shock:

Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:11 am

Very little internet child porn originates in the UK.


Yes, but if Gary Glitter is any indication, there's quite a consumer market there.

Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:31 am

EagleUSA wrote:
Very little internet child porn originates in the UK.


Yes, but if Gary Glitter is any indication, there's quite a consumer market there.


It looks that way.

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:51 am

Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:Glad to hear it, Colin. :lol:

Not to worry, though: I hope to retire it when the spirit moves me.

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I'd like to think that such a child porn crackdown has universal support.
There's no one saying it's over-kill, is there? :shock:


Until then, I'll keep an eye on you. :)

Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:36 am

The youngest victim was under 18 months. This is monstrous. It's evil. With a capital E! In cases like this we should mete out some old testament justice. Take these monsters out in a field and stone them! Compared to what they've done to these children they'll still be getting off light.

Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:55 am

Pete Dube wrote:The youngest victim was under 18 months. This is monstrous. It's evil. With a capital E! In cases like this we should mete out some old testament justice. Take these monsters out in a field and stone them! Compared to what they've done to these children they'll still be getting off light.


You've got that right Pete!

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:45 am

Pete Dube wrote:The youngest victim was under 18 months. This is monstrous. It's evil. With a capital E! In cases like this we should mete out some old testament justice. Take these monsters out in a field and stone them! Compared to what they've done to these children they'll still be getting off light.


That's why I firmly believe that a very sharp knife and testicles on a chopping block should be the minimum punishment.

Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:40 am

its evil and inhumane
kids don't know any better, they are innocent, happy, bubbly, and some f##ker comes and does this to them!
it makes me sick to the bone, and it makes me extremly sad. they should all get life in jail
sadly, it happens here in Australia too. i mean, what sick minded freak thinks child pornography and molesting is good?!
curse them all!

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:01 pm

Pete Dube wrote:That's why I firmly believe that a very sharp knife and testicles on a chopping block should be the minimum punishment.


How about sawing away with a blunt, rusty old razor blade ?

Stop Press !

I just read in today's news [Thurs] that Gary Glitter is appealing !

Not to me, he isn't !

Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:53 pm

Me, neither.

Say what one will about Bill O'Reilly (US news analyst / self-described "bloviator") but I think it's time for our liberal friends to acknowledge (and listen and learn) that no one has been louder (or more of a "bully") in protest against those who champion light sentences and rehabilitation for such fiends who should never ever walk the streets again.

(And that's not just because of crowded prisons...)

From the Baltimore Sun

27 indicted on child porn chargesBy Rudolph Bush, March 16, 2006

CHICAGO -- Twenty-seven people in the United States, Canada, Australia and Britain have been indicted on charges of using an Internet chat room to traffic in thousands of images of child pornography, including streaming live molestations over the Web, federal authorities announced yesterday.
"The behavior in these chat rooms and the images many of these defendants sent around the world through peer-to-peer file-sharing programs and private instant messaging services are the worst imaginable forms of child pornography," U.S. Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales said.

The defendants include Brian A. Annoreno of Chicago, who prosecutors say molested an infant and transmitted it live to a Canadian viewer in Edmonton, Alberta.

"Seven victims of molestation have been identified. The youngest was less than 18 months old," Gonzales said at a news conference in Chicago to announce the charges
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A federal grand jury in Chicago returned two indictments late Tuesday after an international investigation of the "Kiddypics & Kiddyvids" chat room, officials said.

Thirteen people have been indicted in nine states on charges that include possession, receipt, distribution and manufacture of child pornography. The states are: Arizona, Florida, Hawaii, Illinois, Michigan, Nevada, New York, North Carolina and Tennessee. Fourteen foreigners have been charged in the probe, which originated in Canada.


Undercover investigators infiltrated the chat room, in which some defendants allegedly transmitted streaming video worldwide of live molestations through online instant messaging services, officials said.

According to the indictments, between April 2005 and March 10, Annoreno conspired with others to trade images of child pornography.

In April, Annoreno used an infant to produce child pornography that he transmitted live over the Internet and used the same infant in October to generate a pornographic photo that he sent to David B. Holst, 27, of North Aurora, Ill., authorities said.

Officials identified the primary host of the chat room as Royal Raymond Weller, also known as "G.O.D.," of Clarksville, Tenn. Weller was arrested March 6 in Tennessee on federal child pornography charges.

Lisa A. Winebrenner, 36, of Osceola, Iowa, took over the site after Weller's arrest, police said. Over the next two days, she allegedly destroyed evidence of child pornography on her computer and advised others to do likewise, authorities said. She was arrested Tuesday night in Iowa.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a unit of the Homeland Security Department, led the U.S. investigation.

Undercover agents gained entry to the chat room and identified the 27 people, initially through their screen names, officials said.

Homeland Security Assistant Secretary Julie Myers said investigators told her that this case was among the worst they've seen. "It's hard to find cases more heinous than those that involve child molestation," Myers said.

Gonzales has made crimes against children and online pornography top priorities for the Justice Department.

If found guilty of the child pornography charges, the defendants could face federal prison terms ranging from five years for conspiracy to 10 years for possessing, 20 years for distributing and receiving, and 30 years for manufacturing the illicit images.

Rudolph Bush writes for the Chicago Tribune. The Associated Press contributed to this article.



We've pretty much decided that public stonings are too archaic and "cruel", but I sometimes here is a case for some savage justice to be administered.

In this case once proven guilty, we need to "pound" the apparant baby molesters David B. Holst and "Royal" Raymond Weller (a.k.a. "G.O.D." and probably others identified.

Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:46 pm

The people who did this aren't human beings. They only have the outward shell of humans, but there's no humanity in them. We need to purge this evil from our societies. Cut them off like you would a gangrenous limb! Capital punishment. This wouldn't be killing another human being because by committing these vile acts these monsters forfeit any claim to humanity.

Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:03 am

Opponents sometimes claim (as if they know) that it's not a deterrent, but I think in cases like this, the death penalty serves as a strong reminder that you pay for doing stuff like that.

In this age of the anoymous internet, we knew social pressure more than ever to show that we as a society will at the very least make such cretins truly pay. You don't have to kill anyone either.

Actually, our pal O'Reilly makes a strong anti-death penalty from time to time, noting that real life in prison, with basically water and bread of some sort - no weight training, counseling, or cable TV- is even harsher than some cock-eyed "lethal injection."

Or better yet, as he's said: throw them in with the general prison population. There's a justice that would be served there, no doubt.

Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:19 am

Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:Or better yet, as he's said: throw them in with the general prison population.
There's a justice that would be served there, no doubt.


Yeah.

These people aren't exactly popular with the other prisoners !

Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:31 am

I always wonder why such a premium is placed on the safety of such cretins, especially once they're found guilty.

Don't think so hard about it. Let nature (and justice) take these bullying twerps down. Might send another message to society: hands off the kids!


It was a horrible incident when it happened, but not a few people said "what comes around goes around" when the Massachusetts state police "accidentally" let an infmous "defrocked" priest get mixed up with the general population. A convict who himself who had been abused by a kid (if not a priest) took care of that problem. He no longer walks the earth.

I know, I know. It's wrong and the Boston Globe (liberal to the core) predictably rung their hands over it. I didn't like it either but sometimes silence is best.

I've heard as much about OJ Simpson's pursuit of the killer as I have about the "investigation" they were going to do about who let this prison justice happen just a few years ago...

Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:06 am

Anyone supporting the ACLU, psycho-babble, live and let live line of reasoning here???? No??

Good.......it's safe for us cavemen.

Kill 'em...........and let it take a loooooooooooooong time. :evil:

Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:09 am

They should have live executions of these pricks.

18 months old?????? F*cking incredible!

Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:32 pm

genesim wrote:They should have live executions of these pricks.


Why not their whole bodies ?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:31 pm

How about clubbing them instead of the seals?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:05 pm

genesim wrote:They should have live executions of these pricks.

18 months old?????? F*cking incredible!



As someone who used to (still?) be against the death penalty, I think you may be onto something.

There was a sicko who apparently ....the same thing. It was outrageous how little media the guy (a college-educated guy, at that) got at the time last year, outside of the NY Post and Foxnews, to their credit.

It's beyond anything that even most crooks think is acceptable.

They finally caught that bastard.

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Great article by Bill O'Reilly in today's NY Post, by the way, and it's the best argument to be made in defense of O'Reilly: his tough stand on defending kids (if not underlings) from perverts.

He's dead-on, in my view:

The Most Dangerous States for American Kids
By: Bill O'Reilly


For those of you who still believe the justice system in America is working, consider the following. For three years, 46-year old Andrew Selva sexually brutalized two boys, ages 5 and 12, in a small town outside of Columbus, Ohio. In a plea bargain, Selva admitted to the court that he raped the boys in a variety of ways. By all accounts, it was savage criminal activity.

But when Selva appeared for sentencing before Ohio Judge John Connor, he received no prison time at all. Instead, Connor placed him on probation, saying, "He's got a disease like I've got a disease. I don't know that prison would have helped, except for revenge, and revenge is not in the sentencing guidelines."

What the sentencing guidelines did call for was a ten-year stretch in a state prison. But Connor believes he knows better, so it is probation for a child rapist. By the way, the "disease" Connor referenced in his own case is apparently alcohol-related; the judge has at least two DUI convictions on his sheet.

This kind of sentencing insanity is increasing across the country because many states, like Ohio, have no mandatory minimum prison terms for child predators and, as we all know, there is no shortage of loony judges like Connor.

While some states have passed Jessica's Law, which harshly punishes child molesters, other states simply will not do anything. The following are the most dangerous to a child's welfare:

Vermont: Even after the national scandal of Judge Edward Cashman sentencing the rapist of an 8-year old girl to just 60 days in prison (under pressure, Cashman later revised the sentence to a paltry three years), the Vermont legislature failed to pass mandatory minimums for child sexual predators. The effort was blocked by Democrats, and Republican Governor Jim Douglas refused to get involved.

New York: Despite overwhelming bipartisan support for Jessica's Law, Democratic Assemblyman Sheldon Silver continues to single-handedly block any vote. Governor Pataki vows to go around Silver.

Maryland: No mandatory minimums for sexual crimes against children. The Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Democrat Joseph Vallario, has consistently blocked efforts to pass Jessica's Law.

Massachusetts: Absolutely no mandated protection for kids who are brutalized sexually. The judge is free to bestow any sentence. Speaker of the House Sal Dimasi, a Democrat, has killed every piece of tough sex offender legislation that has been introduced.

Wyoming: No minimum prison sentences and no GPS tracking for convicted sex offenders. Governor Dave Freudenthal, a Democrat, doesn't seem to care.

Arkansas: No minimum prison sentences. Governor Mike Huckabee, a Republican, doesn't seem to care.

Tennessee : No minimum prison terms for child sex crimes. Democratic Governor Phil Bredensen doesn't seem to care.

Idaho : No minimum prison terms for child sex crimes. Republican Governor Dirk Kempthorne doesn't seem to care.

North Dakota : No minimum prison sentences for any sexual acts with minors. Governor John Hoeven, a Republican, says he is "studying" ways to change that.

Also, the states of Colorado, Wisconsin, Maine, Kansas, and Montana have weak laws protecting kids, but at least there are politicians in those states trying to change things.

In the Ohio case where the child rapist received parole, and in the Vermont case where the man who raped the little girl initially got 60 days, the three victims were poor kids. Their parents had no money, no influence, and no hope of challenging the wicked judges. I submit those awful sentences would not have been handed down if the rapists had abused wealthy children.

But be that as it may, any state that will not severely punish an adult who rapes a child is a disgraceful state. And everybody living there should know it.


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