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Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:34 am

Have you any info on sales figures yet,Colin?

He may be selling more than Elvis did,doubtful I know but......


Dan.

Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:01 am

Dan_T wrote:Have you any info on sales figures yet,Colin?

He may be selling more than Elvis did,doubtful I know but......


Dan.


No.

As I said, I'm waiting for Brian Quinn to post - he's the expert !

Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:54 pm

Where can I buy them???? :wink:




NOT :P

Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:29 pm

sam wrote:Where can I buy them???? :wink: NOT :P


Well, Sony have gone all out to make them successful !

They are all 'dual discs'.

You get the original single title plus an extended 'dance' remix [sort of 12" version] on one side; on the other side, you get the DVD video of the title !

And still they fail to crack the top 10 !

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:46 am

What is the next release in this series???



:D

Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:57 am

Updated.
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Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:38 pm

The single sales of the re-released Jacko singles are all about the 6-7,000 mark.


Brian :roll:

Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:19 pm

Brian Quinn wrote:The single sales of the re-released Jacko singles are all about the 6-7,000 mark.


Thanks, Brian, I've been waiting for some input from you !

Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:27 pm

Jackson's popularity has fallen badly in the US and by the looks of the sales(considering these singles have his once popular videos on them) , his popularity has done the same in the UK.

Michael Jackson's comeback has failed and he is now finished.

King of Pop?? You must be joking. :lol: :lol:

Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:23 am

Sean Ryan wrote:Michael Jackson's comeback has failed and he is now finished.

King of Pop?? You must be joking. :lol: :lol:


Well, it's starting to look like it !

Strange, isn't it, that sometimes the public is better at sussing things out than a jury is !

Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:08 pm

Colin,
Yeah, but although he got the Not Guilty there will always be a serious question for his liking for young boys,even if it isnt sexual.

Michael Jackson has turned into a very strange person.

Its a shame really cause i really thought he was great back in the 80's.

Since 1990 he has totally lost the plot.

Sun May 14, 2006 9:31 pm

This needs updating,Colin !

:wink:

Sun May 14, 2006 10:26 pm

Dan_T wrote:This needs updating,Colin !

:wink:


No it doesnt.

Forget about the singles.
Forget about Jackson.

He is HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mon May 15, 2006 12:13 am

Dan_T wrote:This needs updating,Colin !:wink:


Hey, I didn't think anyone was still looking at this !

The update has been done [and done, and done....]!

Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:45 am

The story so far.......

Michael Jackson - 2006

1] Peaked at No.17 Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough
2] No.15 Rock With You
3] No.11 Billie Jean
4] No.15 Beat It
5] No.16 Bad
6] No.17 The Way You Make Me Feel
7] No.17 Dirty Diana
8] No.19 Smooth Criminal
9] No.15 Leave Me Alone
10] No.18 Black or White
11] No.22 Remember the Time
12] No.20 In The Closet
13] No.22 Jam
14] No.27 Heal the World
15] No.30 You Are Not Alone
16] No.34 Earth Song
17] No.26 They Don't Care About Us
18] No.22 Stranger In Moscow
19] No.19 Blood on the Dance Floor

NB: Thriller Michael’s 1st re-issued single in the set was disallowed for the chart because of the box with it.

Blood on the Dance Floorentered Sunday's chart at 19.

Well, none of the Jackson re-issued singles bothered the Top 10 then !
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Thu Jun 29, 2006 4:46 pm

ColinB wrote:No.16 this week with Bad !

Too Bad !

I'm compiling a little list so that the re-issued singles of Elvis, Jacko & The Beatles can be compared [don't know of any other acts to have their singles re-issued, do you ?].

I'll post it when Jacko's run is complete.



One can't compare these recent re-issues with those done in the 1980s. 20 years ago, the singles market was still very much intact and you had to sell a lot of singles to get into the top 10. It was simply a more competitive environment. Last year when Elvis' singles were re-issued you only had to sell a fraction of what had to be sold in the 1980s to make the top 10. If RCA had re-released Elvis' singles in the 1980s, most of them would have failed to make even the Top 30 based on their weekly sales of last year. And vice versa, if the Beatles' singles had not been re-issued in the 1980s but last year, they all would have been safe top 10 hits based on their 1980s weekly sales.

Regarding Michael Jackson, his performances are indeed surprisingly weak, but one thing that has changed compared to last year are the downloads that are now included in the singles charts which makes it harder for physical singles to have an impact.

Thu Jun 29, 2006 5:08 pm

Mr Statistic wrote:One can't compare these recent re-issues with those done in the 1980s. 20 years ago, the singles market was still very much intact and you had to sell a lot of singles to get into the top 10.


Well, you had to sell more copies than the other singles available at the time.

That holds good now as much as it did then.

Any advantage the lower sales figures needed today gives to Elvis & Michael in the chart, the other singles of today enjoy as well !

I'll post the lists for comparison purposes.

And anyway, where have you been ?

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:00 am

The decisive factor is the amount of collectors versus the amount of regular singles buying public. Elvis and the Beatles have the largest group of collectors. These will always buy everything that is released, regardless of what format it is issued in. What has shrunk is the number of people buying singles.

Back in the 1980s, singles were sold in massive quantities, as the general pop music interested public was still interested in buying physical singles. In this climate, the records sales generated by a relatively small group of collectors could not assure high chart placings, as the market was still healthy and thus immune to 'manipulation'.

When the market is however extremely unhealthy and almost non-existant - like the UK singles market in 2005 - then a relatively small group of collectors can assure high chart placings, even with low sales.

The UK market in 2005 for singles did not mirror the true popularity of songs in the country - nobody is seriously going to argue that "One Night" was the most popular song in Britain in January of that year - this is unlike the 1980s, when a song that hit the top of the charts was indeed the most popular song in the country during that week.

That's the difference.

P.S.: I haven't been around much lately as work keeps me too busy from message board activities. Too bad!

Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:59 am

Mr Statistic wrote:The UK market in 2005 for singles did not mirror the true popularity of songs in the country - nobody is seriously going to argue that "One Night" was the most popular song in Britain in January of that year - this is unlike the 1980s, when a song that hit the top of the charts was indeed the most popular song in the country during that week.


You're right, of course, but I'll post the comparison anyway.

Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:08 am

Well, the UK re-issue of the 20 Michael Jackson singles is now complete.

See a few posts back for the full chart positions.

I can still post the chart comparisons between the Elvis/Michael/Beatles re-issues, if anyone is interested.

Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:22 am

ColinB wrote:Well, the UK re-issue of the 20 Michael Jackson singles is now complete.

See a few posts back for the full chart positions.

I can still post the chart comparisons between the Elvis/Michael/Beatles re-issues, if anyone is interested.


Colin, just wanted to thank you for your hard work and keeping on top of Wacko single's numbers.

Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:51 am

Joe Car wrote:Colin, just wanted to thank you for your hard work and keeping on top of Wacko single's numbers.


Why thank you, Joe !

BTW, it isn't a 'cut-&-paste' job !

That listing has been compiled from the UK Radio One Chart week-by-week, and it doesn't exist elsewhere in that form !

I had even more problems with The Beatles !

The 're-entries' aren't listed separately in the Guinness Book anymore.

Even using an old edition didn't give the complete picture, because Guinness don't list chart positions lower than 75 [and some of theirs were that low] !

Had to 'fill in the gaps' using an internet chart site !

As I say, I can post the three comparisons if anyone wants it.

Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:41 am

ColinB wrote: As I say, I can post the three comparisons if anyone wants it.


Yes please Colin. I'm interested in the comparison...so post away!!!! :D



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You knew I'd ask!!! :wink:

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Tue Jul 04, 2006 10:08 am

Thanks, Sam !

Yes, I knew I could rely on you !

Those Re-issued Singles in full:

Michael Jackson - 2006

1] Peaked at No.17 Don’t Stop Till You Get Enough
2] No.15 Rock With You
3] No.11 Billie Jean
4] No.15 Beat It
5] No.16 Bad
6] No. 17 The Way You Make Me Feel
7] No. 17 Dirty Diana
8] No. 19 Smooth Criminal
9] No. 15 Leave Me Alone
10] No.18 Black or White
11] No.22 Remember the Time
12] No.20 In The Closet
13] No.22 Jam
14] No.27 Heal the World
15] No.30 You Are Not Alone
16] No. 34 Earth Song
17] No.26 They Don’t Care About Us
18] No.22 Stranger in Moscow
19] No.19 Blood on the Dance Floor

NB: Thriller Michael’s 1st re-issued single in the set was disallowed for the chart because of the box with it.
These re-issues appear to be random UK hits, not in any special order.

Elvis - 2005

1] Peaked at No.1 Jailhouse Rock
2] No.1 One Night/I Got Stung
3] No.3 A Fool Such As I
4] No.1 It’s Now or Never
5] No.2 Are You Lonesome Tonight
6] No.2 Wooden Heart
7] No.2 Surrender
8] No.3 His Latest Flame/Little Sister
9] No.3 Rock-A-Hula Baby/Can’t Help Falling In Love
10] No.2 Good Luck Charm
11] No.3 She’s Not You
12] No.5 Return To Sender
13] No.2 Devil in Disguise
14] No.2 Crying In the Chapel
15] No. 4 The Wonder of You
16] No.2 Way Down
17] No.3 A Little Less Conversation

NB: All Shook Up Elvis’ 1st re-issued single in the set was disallowed for the chart because of the box with it.
These releases represented all his UK No.1’s.

The Beatles – 1982/90

1] Peaked at No.5 Love Me Do
2] No.29 Please Please Me
3] No.40 From Me To You
4] No.45 She Loves You
5] No.62 I Want To Hold Your Hand
6] No.53 Can’t Buy Me Love
7] No.52 A Hard Day’s Night
8] No.65 I Feel Fine
9] No.70 Ticket to Ride
10] No.86 Help
11] No.79 Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out
12] No.78 Paperback Writer
13] No.63 Yellow Submarine/Eleanor Rigby
14] No.65 Penny Lane/Strawberry Fields Forever
15] No.47 All You Need Is Love
16] No.63 Hello Goodbye
17] No.67 Lady Madonna
18] No.52 Hey Jude
19] No.74 Get Back
20] No.84 The Ballad of John & Yoko
21] No.84 Something/Come together
22] No.78 Let It Be

NB: The Beatles re-issues represented their first UK singles on Parlophone/Apple, each one re-issued exactly 20 years after the original release date.
Because they used the original Catalogue No’s, the Guinness book treats them as ‘re-entries’ [details only listed in older editions].
The Guinness book also only lists the top 75; the info on the 6 which peaked lower than that is from a chart website.


NB: As Mr Statistic has pointed out, Elvis & Michael had the advantage of needing much lower sales figures to achieve their relative chart positions than The Beatles did for theirs.

Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:50 pm

Thanks Colin.
About time for the other (Elv1s) non No 1 singles to get released!!! :D



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