Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:45 pm
Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:12 pm
Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:21 pm
EagleUSA wrote:Getting back to the topic of the (Muslim) cartoon...
I wish the Muslims of the world howled in protest at the hijacking of their religion and 4 American commercial airliners on September 11, 2001 the way they are now about some stupid cartoon. It really makes one question where their priorities are at.... Oh wait...sorry...
I think the question has been answered.
MSNBC News Services
Updated: 1:15 p.m. ET Feb. 6, 2006
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran cut off trade ties with Denmark and Iranians pelted the Austrian Embassy with Molotov cocktails and stones on Monday in the latest protest over the publication of satirical cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in European newspapers.
The 200 protesters, chanting “God is Greatest” and “Europe, Europe, shame on you,” smashed all the embassy’s windows with stones and then tried to hurl Molotov cocktails inside. They exploded in flames against metal grills guarding the windows, and the fires were quickly put out by police with fire extinguishers.
Austria currently holds the presidency of the European Union. Protesters also waved placards and shouted slogans against the EU’s stance on Iran’s nuclear program.
Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:51 pm
Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:39 pm
Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:47 am
likethebike wrote:Greg- That you have to use qualifiers in putting forth the life argument underlines the ambiguity. Also, I'm not sure how much support there is for late term abortion, using it as a club against Roe Vs. Wade is kind of like using kiddie porn against an argument for pornography. People mix and match because they don't truly believe their general argument is strong enough so they go for the most extreme example.
likethebike wrote:About Islam I wonder if it's not like what Eisenhower said about teenagers and automobiles and how you only hear about them when they crash.
Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:49 am
Abortion by the tens of thousands for contraception is distateful to say the least. But it's a very complex subject and extenuating circumstances usually dictate unpleasant action. The ethics of it all dictate the need for qualifications
Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:22 am
Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:29 am
Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:34 am
MauriceinIreland wrote: We with long time memory remember the Yellow peril. The Red Peril, now we have the Muslim peril. It looks to many that America needs a Bogey man!
Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:09 am
Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:17 pm
MauriceinIreland wrote:TJ, I know the history of oil. I also have been reading World history all my life.
The RAF were bombing primitive tribesmen in Arab villages..........way back, and in the region as a whole the Americans, French, Dutch and British were carving up the area between themselves, setting up Arab regimes that would be kept in check by? ..................why Israel of course, armed to the teeth by..................?
There was a talk on this aspect on our (Talkradio) radio just last night by a highly respected historian. The Israeli Embassy in Dublin was on his case immediately...................People are sensitive to the truth.
We all saw the hundreds if not thousands of bombs raining down on Iraq and tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed.....even though the terrorists in the plane that attacked New York etc killed themselves!
I suggest you read the Gore Vidal article above.
Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:27 pm
Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:10 pm
Pete- I think you misunderstood my original statement. I didn't say it was a consensus that it wasn't a life, I said it wasn't a consensus that it was. It's an important difference. To me, it's a consensus that the sky is blue. It's not necessarily a fact but most of agree on what blue is and most of agree that the sky qualifies. There is really a dissent there. However, there is a disagreement on what qualifies at life, does it begin at conception or birth. It's a legitimate disagreement. You could make a case for the final weeks but what do you say of a baby at 20 weeks. If the woman were to give birth at that time naturally would that baby be able to live without artificial stimulation? If the baby is not ready to live is it a life?
"Choice" is an important word because it respects the right not to have an abortion or to have one.
Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:18 pm
Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:45 pm
Wed Feb 08, 2006 6:18 pm
Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:24 pm
likethebike wrote:Do you realize what you're saying Greg? It's not a consensus because the opposing viewpoint won't concede the obvious. It's kind of the nature of a disagreement. Just because you feel passionately one way does not mean someone can not feel the opposite POV just as a passionately.
(2002) John Rawls, a giant of 20th century philosophy who revived the study of ethics and became an intellectual hero of liberalism, has died. He was 81. The Harvard Professor is best known for his 1971 book A Theory of Justice, which revived the idea of the social compact. Each person, he argued, is entitled to certain rights that cannot be overridden even in the interests of society as a whole.
His ideas revolutionized philosophy by returning it to questions of right and wrong, rescuing it from a preoccupation with the questions of logic and the philosophy of science that had come to dominate the field.
Pete Dube wrote:One has to wonder about the wisdom of publishing these cartoons knowing full well the Muslim community would likely not react to it well. Especially given the problems with Muslim extremists in Holland and the recent riots in France. Granted the whole free speech/press issue, but it still comes across as a deliberate, 'in your face' act. One that had the effect of pouring gasoline on smoldering embers!
One thing that seems to be more & more evident to me is that the Islamic world by & large doesn't seem to be interested in democracy. The Muslims that are in the various European countries are there to take advantage of the generous social welfare policies, but they don't seem to have assimilated into the culture, and don't seem to be interested in doing so. I'm now of the opinion that if given the choice between democracy and a Muslim theocracy the majority of Muslims would choose the latter!
Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:45 pm
Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:01 pm
I don't consider it a piece of plastic but I don't consider it a full blown life either. I more consider it an extension of the mother. There's a reason that baby is generally in there for nine months. How far do you go with this idea? Many abortion opponents oppose the day after pill.
Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:38 pm
Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:05 pm
Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:25 pm
likethebike wrote:I don't consider it a piece of plastic but I don't consider it a full blown life either.
I more consider it an extension of the mother.
There's a reason that baby is generally in there for nine months.
How far do you go with this idea?
Many abortion opponents oppose the day after pill.
Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:30 pm
Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:12 pm
My point was directed exclusively if it was human life or not. All the DNA is there. And it is unique.Pete Dube wrote:I'd say that what happened to that 22 month old fetus is a lot more than external provocation JLGB. But that illustrates my point about couching abortion in scientific jargon or impersonal language.
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