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Donner to finish Superman II on SE DVD

Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:12 am

For anyone who has followed the saga regarding Richard Donner and Superman II, you know what great news this is.

Here is the complete story: ... salkind-SE


Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:42 am

Great Caeser's Ghost!

Having to buy a dvd of Superman II ---- twice.

Lesson learned after-the-fact,
should've never bought dvd movies during the 1990s-early 2000s timeframe because they'll later be repackaged (enhanced with bonus stuff) and sold all over again as a NEWER dvd product.

Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:06 am

This one will definitely be worthy of a double dip. I have actually held off buying the bare bones Superman II on DVD because I knew a SE was coming. Granted, I didn't think it would take this long.


Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:21 am

I bet they waited to tie it in with the 2006 Superman movie.

Incidentally, according to its trailer, it feaures the John Williams score like the previous Superman films.

I like that - why change the music "signatures" just because they changed actor playing Clark/Supe-baby.

Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:07 am

Graceland Gardener wrote:I bet they waited to tie it in with the 2006 Superman movie.

That's exactly what they're doing.


Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:16 am

FANTASTIC! Looks like another broke year buying DVD's! :lol:

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:20 pm

Kids films !!!!!

Mon Jan 30, 2006 6:31 pm must be ancient then to have that perception. :lol:

Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:33 pm

Thats no perception baby, thats a fact!

A guy running around who can fly, and wears his underwear over his tights?


Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:34 pm

Wow dude, you are missing alot if things are categorized with you as simple as that.

Superman is a very adult story that most people of all ages could enjoy.

Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:40 pm

Ezzz wrote:Kids films !!!!!

you must have been born in a hurry to become an old man.

a grouchy old man.

a grouchy un-inspired old man.

what movies you like?

Geezer films !!!!!

Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:08 pm

Ezzz wrote:Kids films !!!!!

A pathetically ignorant statement if ever there was one.


This is indeed terrific news. There's still no word on whether Donner's original material - including the monumental Brando footage - will be reincorporated into the film or provided as supplementary material. Considering the age of the footage and its various levels of handling over the years (i.e. it's probably in bad shape - the Salkinds didn't pay their storage bills!!!), it might be best to leave it out. On top of that, of course, you have issues with unfinished effects work (i.e. no effects work for the Brando scene and others, I believe, and rushed VFX work in the finished print of 1980 - check out the remedial "power loss" scene or the static plate at the end of the film; the fountain(s) at the White House doesn't move!). You also have an even bigger issue: not everything Donner planned on shooting his way was actually filmed - he was about 80% through the film, according to what I've read/consulted, when he was fired. Donner has always hated the "Houston" sequences - but he never got round to filming his own stuff for this section! The logistics of sorting through all that mess - to say nothing of the cost - almost certainly means that a re-cut hasn't been attempted. Nevertheless...

This is my most hotly anticipated DVD release EVER!

As for the original Superman movie - it's nothing less than a true epic and THE benchmark for all other comic adaptations (won't ever be surpassed in my eyes...) ...... Hmmm. I didn't care too greatly for the "SE" DVD. Baird wasn't involved with the new editing at all - and it shows. The SE doesn't flow properly. Yet Baird's original editing earnt him an Oscar nomination! It was a bad, bad, bad decision on Warner Bros' behalf to leave out the theatrical cut and not accomplish the SE through "seamless branching". I hope this oversight is put right. I'm also a little hot and cold on the soundmix. You can't hear the rustling of the wheat in the "Leaving Home" scene as much as in the original; it loses some of its poignancy for that. Where, also, is the "ping" sound when Superman catches the helicopter? Little things make a big difference.

Superman III and IV? New prints and remastered sound would be nice! Perhaps some supplementary material, too. Nothing too big, though - they were, and are, after all, significantly lesser films (III works on its own terms; IV doesn't really work on any terms, sadly). IV might pick up - a smidgen - with the 40+ minutes of footage removed from the final print. Rumour has it, however, that the footage was actually DESTROYED! :shock:

Oh... one last thing. Let's have a tribute to Reeve on one of these discs.

This is the year of Superman alright!

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:37 pm

"A pathetically ignorant statement if ever there was one. "

Bollocks!.............seems like i`ve touched a nerve there mate. If you like Superman, good for you..................but it`s still a kids film.

"including the monumental Brando footage "

Christ, talk about hyperbole.

Brando was a busted flush by the 60`s.

Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:51 pm

Ezzz wrote: If you like Superman, good for you..................but it`s still a kids film.

If by "kids [sic] film", you mean a film conceived for people between the ages of "eight and eighty", of which children are are a defining part, then yes, "Superman" is a kid's film.

On another level......

That you would even use the idea of a "kid's" film in a pejorative sense to suggest a given story/film/play/book etc is inherently inferior to more "adult" works - and also imply an inferiority on behalf of those adults that like such material - says a lot about your intelligence (or lack thereof).

Ezzz wrote:Christ, talk about hyperbole.

Brando was a busted flush by the 60`s.

Even though he appeared in "The Godfather" and "Last Tango in Paris" in 1972 - followed by extraordinary supporting roles in "Superman" and "Apocalypse Now".

I say again: your ignorance is astounding, Ezzz. Tell me... do the three "z"'s in your name represent your mental slumber or merely the sleep you induce in other people with your tedious replies?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:35 pm

"The Godfather" is a great film in spite of Brando`s hammy performance. Ditto "Apocalypse Now".

"Last Tango" is a joke from start to finish.

"That you would even use the idea of a "kid's" film in a pejorative sense to suggest a given story/film/play/book etc is inherently inferior to more "adult" works - and also imply an inferiority on behalf of those adults that like such material - says a lot about your intelligence (or lack thereof). "

Christ, get a sense of humour mate.

" I say again: your ignorance is astounding, Ezzz. Tell me... do the three "z"'s in your name represent your mental slumber or merely the sleep you induce in other people with your tedious replies?"

And yet you keep on reading my tedious!

Hmm......dont we fancy ourselves today ?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 5:57 pm

Ezzz wrote:Christ, get a sense of humour mate.

I've got one - the problem is that it only kicks in when it finds something FUNNY.

Ezzz wrote:And yet you keep on reading my tedious!

Easily rectified.

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:10 pm

I`ll count that as a knockout then.

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:30 pm

Ezzz...a legend in own mind.

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:35 pm

Gen..............a Kiss fan.

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:35 pm

More news:

Warner announced yesterday that a 14-disc DVD set is being produced covering the entire Superman saga. The set, Superman: Ultimate Collector’s Edition is filled with featurettes, documentaries, and other stuff surrounding the Superman feature films, as well as all the films themselves. A Richard Donner cut of Superman II has been officially confirmed!


Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:05 pm

Thank ya. Ezzz


Here is an interview from IGN.COM with Donner himself!

Interview: Richard Donner
The director talks about the forthcoming Superman II director's cut, Singer's remake and a lot more in this exclusive interview.
by Jeff Otto
January 30, 2006 - Richard Donner established himself over the past three decades as one of Hollywood's most reliable purveyors of silver screen spectacle. Offering such populist favorites as The Omen and Superman in the late 1970s and then moving onto the enormously successful films in the Lethal Weapon series, much less The Goonies and Maverick, Donner proved that he could harness audience tastes and explore them to entertaining and evocative effect.

His latest effort is the film 16 Blocks, in which Bruce Willis plays a weathered New York cop assigned to usher a wisecracking witness (Mos Def) to his court date. IGN recently met up with Donner during the mixing of the film, which is scheduled for release on March 3, 2006, for an exclusive interview. In addition to a wealth of info on the forthcoming 16 Blocks, Donner dished all kinds of details about a number of projects he's involved in, including a director's cut of Superman II.

For those unfamiliar with the Superman movie saga outside of Bryan Singer's forthcoming update of the comic hero, the original two films were shot back-to-back by Donner in the late 1970s. Due to an acrimonious battle with the films' producers, no doubt over maintaining an appropriately cinematic tone in subsequent installemtns, Donner left the project and was replaced by Hard Day's Night helmer Richard Lester. After retiring to a quiet corner of the mixing booth, Donner explained that Warner Brothers was hard at work on a version of the film that would restore his original vision, and that it was scheduled for distribution on DVD some time prior to the release of Singer's Superman film.


IGN DVD: The Superman movies were some of my favorites growing up. I love the first film and so many parts of the second. It's very easy to tell which parts you directed versus the Richard Lester sections. You've been quoted as saying that you directed about 80 percent of the film, but only 50 percent wound up on screen.

Richard Donner: 70 percent.

IGN: There have been rumors for years that your cut will come out on DVD.

Donner: They're doing it. I'm not doing it. They're doing it. Michael Thaw, who used to be my assistant and is a good little editor - [said that] there were so many requests to Warner Brothers to see my cut that he went to them and they authorized it. He's been working for about four or five months now getting all the negatives and cuts out of England. A lot of it's been destroyed, a lot of it wasn't kept. But everything that he was able to [get], he said it will probably be about 70 percent my footage.

IGN: So the rest will be footage Lester shot?

Donner: Yeah. I don't even want to see it until it comes out in the theater.

IGN: But you do want to see it?

Donner: Oh, s**t yeah! But I don't want to cut it. I mean, I'm too far away from it now.

IGN: Superman II had such a great concept.

Donner: I did a scene, which I understand was destroyed or [I don't know] what, where Lois [Lane]discovers that he's Superman. The way they did it was he puts his hand in the fireplace. The way I did it was, she sees him at Niagra Falls and the kid falls in, he appears and saves her. That night at her hotel room, he comes into her apartment [and says], "Are you ready to go Lois, ready to go out?" She says, "Yeah," and she says, they get into a discussion, and she says, "You're Superman," and he says, "For gosh sakes, Lois, don't be stupid." [And she says], "It's too much of a coincidence. You're always here," and he says, "Life is a coincidence, Lois." And she says, "I don't know, I think I made a mistake, last time I bet my life…" When she jumps out the window and into the fruit cart. "So this time, I'm gonna bet your life," and she pulls a gun out. "I'm betting you're Superman."

IGN: Isn't there a similar deleted scene like that on one of the DVDs?

Donner: There's a screen test. But I never shot [it]. So we're trying to put that screen test in. She fires the gun and he goes, he straightens up, the glasses come off and he says, "Do you realize how stupid you were Lois? If I wasn't [Superman], Clark Kent would be lying there dead right now." And she says, "What, with a blank?" And he goes, "Oh my God." (Laughs) And it was so cute. I love it. But anyway, yeah, I'm anxious to see it in the theater.

IGN: The IGN audience has been eagerly waiting for this cut for years now. There are always rumors and questions from readers.

Donner: Brian (Singer), who did the new Superman, he says, "This is an homage to you." Because it's got a lot of my own footage in it and everything. It will be nice to see that too. I'm crazy about him.

IGN: Brando is showing up in the new film, right?

Donner: Yeah.

IGN: What's your take on Singer's film? Have you seen footage yet?

Donner: No, I don't want to.

IGN: Did Singer come to you for advice?

Donner: No, his [question] was, "Should I do it?" And I said, "By all means, if there's anybody out there that should do it, it's you." When they were doing X-Men, two great writers… I love them too. They'd sit there and run Superman all day and then talk about it, and then low and behold he was offered it. He said, "Should I do it?" and I said, "By God, there's nobody out there that should do it but you." I want to see it cold.

IGN: We're been doing these Top 25 Best Lists by genre, and our top pick on the Best Superhero List was Superman. There was debate on some more recent films being the top pick, such as last year's Batman Begins, but our writers felt Superman was still the best choice.

Donner: The original one? Really? That's nice. No kidding! You know why? It's like, I had never done an action movie and Mark Canton, who ran Warner Brothers, offered me a script called Lethal Weapon and I read it. I had been offered a lot of action films, but everything I read was gratuitous action. And here I read this script by this young kid, Shane Black, and it was a brilliant script because it was about people and about conflict and about where they were going and out of that evolved good action. And I was convinced that the only way any of these things are good is if you are emotionally committed to the people and you want to go with them, you want to see them win, you want to see some lose, whatever.

Superman, with the draft that we finally shot, was just that. You really cared. There was three films in Superman. Krypton was one, then we got to Earth, it's a whole different one with Pa Kent finding that thing in the middle of the field and going, "Ma, did you see that?" And then when you get out of a cab in Metropolis and there's horn honking and there's this big guy with a hat and glasses going into the Daily Planet. There were three separate films, but each one of them you had a commitment to people. Brando and [Maria Schell] and Ma and Pa Kent and then Lois and Clark that surrounded them. But you cared about them, you were committed to them.

IGN: Brandon Routh certainly has some big shoes to fill. Superman will always be Christopher Reeves to me.

Donner: He'll always be Superman to me.

Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:07 pm

14 dvd's???? How are they gonna fill them up!!

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:15 pm

That's gotta be BS.

At most... I expect to see 8 discs (2 for each film).

Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:55 pm

14 freaking DVD' set??????? Holy crap!!!!!! I can't wait. But what can they put on 14 DVD's?????