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Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:59 am

Three people walk into a bar.....

A Jew, a Palestinian, and a Virgin.....

Uh, never mind....sorry, wrong crowd.....

Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:00 am

Wow......look how much I have missed :lol:

Maurice, you're posts are so filled with errata that I just haven't the strength :lol: .

Your comment about how you see it on TV, therefore it must be true, says it all........sadly :wink:

Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:12 am

Scatter wrote:Maurice, you're posts are so filled with errata...


Scatter - King of the obscure insult and proud owner of word of the day toilet paper :wink:

Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:38 am

Pete, You just keep doing it:-) telling me things you must know, I already know, and have taken into consideration decades ago. The murder on both sides is murder..usually of innocents!!!

The UN votes were manipulated back then and still are!

Scatter, Ah, but I didn't say it all was all true on TV. But we do see FAR more than American TV permits you to see, :wink:

From what I've seen by the pro Israel brigade here, you are all in dire need of enlightenment, a great many moderate and intelligent Jewish people would be right with me here.

How do I know. Well simply because I have discssed the situation with a great many of them.

Besides anyone who has witnessed the events unfolding over many decades and understands the Zionist goals would soon get the drift.

An Island of religious Jewish fanatics surrounded by an Ocean of religious Muslim Fanatics armed by Christian states hasn't got much of a long term future.

Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:18 am

MauriceinIreland wrote:Pete, You just keep doing it:-) telling me things you must know, I already know, and have taken into consideration decades ago. The murder on both sides is murder..usually of innocents!!!

The UN votes were manipulated back then and still are!

Scatter, Ah, but I didn't say it all was all true on TV. But we do see FAR more than American TV permits you to see, :wink:

From what I've seen by the pro Israel brigade here, you are all in dire need of enlightenment, a great many moderate and intelligent Jewish people would be right with me here.

How do I know. Well simply because I have discssed the situation with a great many of them.

Besides anyone who has witnessed the events unfolding over many decades and understands the Zionist goals would soon get the drift.

An Island of religious Jewish fanatics surrounded by an Ocean of religious Muslim Fanatics armed by Christian states hasn't got much of a long term future.

What I am really trying to say is....

Hail Hitler!

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Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:40 am

Blue-Gypsy wrote:Three people walk into a bar.....

A Jew, a Palestinian, and a Virgin.....

Uh, never mind....sorry, wrong crowd.....





three guys walk into a bar.......


a drunk, a molestor, and a priest....


and that's just the first guy.....


:roll:

Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:45 am

Blue-Gypsy, Behave yourself. Or my Jewish wife will tear your ear-rings out :lol:

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Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:50 am

lol, just messing with you Maurice.

I have to stay out of political conversations so I make light of them. I find myself getting to upset and ultimately everyone's opinion stays the same.

I remember growing up I was taught that unless you were actually running for office you did not discuss politics except with the people that were behind the four walls with you. Your voice is heard in the voting booth. I have found that you keep a lot more friends that way.

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:15 pm

Blue-Gypsy, Yes I guessed that from your previous cheek :wink:

I'm getting dizzy in this Revolving Circle too. I should be doing more positive stuff.

I will...I will............I WILL ARISE AND GO NOW, AND GO TO INISHFREE .......................:-) Back to W B Yeats.

I was last on that little island in a lake in 1970.

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:20 pm

Maurice, FYI, I watch the BBC too. A biased lie with a British accent is still a biased lie.

You DO know that Mr Bean is not a reality show, right?? Even though it IS on TV and all..... :lol: :wink:
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Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:23 pm

Blue-Gypsy wrote:Lets all have a Hgheeghee or for those of you on the otherside of the strip a She me Yan-soon and lets all get along. We only live once, well with only one virgin that is......

:lol: CHA CHA CHA :lol: .....I STILL GOT IT! :lol: :lol:


For those of you who didn't get it that was my Ralph Mouth imitation. Who is Ralph Mouth you ask....lol

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:25 pm

TJ wrote:
Scatter wrote:Maurice, you're posts are so filled with errata...


Scatter - King of the obscure insult and proud owner of word of the day toilet paper :wink:


Now TJ.....Maurice is a friend of mine, and my post contained no insult directed his way.

As for my toilet paper.........loads more informative than the BBC. Even after use :lol:

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:26 pm

Scatter, BBC is balanced by our own RTE TV................ and Irish people don't believe either of them :lol:

Only Americans believe what their Goverment tells them via the media..even the Russians at the height of Stalinism didn't believe the propaganda from the Kremlin, Gore Vidal told us :wink:

It don't amount to a hill of Mr Beans :lol:

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:32 pm

MauriceinIreland wrote:Scatter, BBC is balanced by our own RTE TV................ and Irish people don't believe either of them :lol:

Wise people.....

Only Americans believe what their Goverment tells them via the media..even the Russians at the height of Stalinism didn't believe the propaganda from the Kremlin, Gore Vidal told us :wink:

Ummmmmm......the point of the post was NOT to believe what the Mainstream media feeds us. I don't believe it......but your view echoes the media perfectly.

It don't amount to a hill of Mr Beans :lol:

I'd take a hill of Mr Beans anyday.......or Blackadders, for that matter. Rowan is a GENIUS!!!!!! :D

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:44 pm

Scatter you have not heard all my views on the subject......... it's a complex yet simple problem of justice and injustice, power and oil.

The usual unfolding history of us savage animals.

Thousands of reporters and commentators have coverd the subject in great detail and we are left to sift through the lies and find what makes sense to us. It's all so clear to me.

Just like a United Ireland.............it is still evolving after 700 years of occupation. It will be a reality, the writing is all over the walls, but try telling that to Paisley.............and his son :lol:

Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:53 pm

MauriceinIreland wrote:Scatter you have not heard all my views on the subject......... it's a complex yet simple problem of justice and injustice, power and oil.

The usual unfolding history of us savage animals.

Thousands of reporters and commentators have coverd the subject in great detail and we are left to sift through the lies and find what makes sense to us. It's all so clear to me.

Just like a United Ireland.............it is still evolving after 700 years of occupation. It will be a reality, the writing is all over the walls, but try telling that to Paisley.............and his son :lol:


Well, I gotta agree with you there..........I hate Paisley. I rather like Plaid, though :wink: .

Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:47 pm

I have to say, the BBC can be shockingly one-sided in their news coverage. We are supposed to get an entirely balanced output from the Beeb, free of commercial pressures, but sadly that is not the case. Like any other channel, they have an agenda on various issues and they push them. That said, it's probably almost impossible to have an entirely balanced editorial line, without the news coverage being a mess of paranoid qualifications.

Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:12 pm

TJ wrote:I have to say, the BBC can be shockingly one-sided in their news coverage. We are supposed to get an entirely balanced output from the Beeb, free of commercial pressures, but sadly that is not the case. Like any other channel, they have an agenda on various issues and they push them. That said, it's probably almost impossible to have an entirely balanced editorial line, without the news coverage being a mess of paranoid qualifications.


TJ, Quite true. The beeb is attacked by the goverment, AND the liberals. Sometimes it's news coverage is excellent sometimes it's way off track. But we need it. Especially it's courageous reporters who rock the boat!

I don't have to pay the licence :lol: We get the other major British channels free too. Channel 4 TVs news coverage is very good indeed.

I don't understand why people think because we disagree with a country's foreign policy that we would be anti the people. I like Americans, Europeans, Asians, Africans and Australians. Even a few Scots........ those that I can understand :lol:

Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:35 pm

I'm sick of hearing about the Middle East.

I'm sick of spending US dollars (billions) there.

Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:02 pm

Well Buddy, YOU can spare a dime :lol:

Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:21 pm

MauriceinIreland wrote:TJ, Quite true. The beeb is attacked by the goverment, AND the liberals. Sometimes it's news coverage is excellent sometimes it's way off track. But we need it. Especially it's courageous reporters who rock the boat! :


Really hoping that isn't a Gilligan reference Maurice. If so, there's a difference between rocking the boat and inaccurate reporting. Misrepresenting the credentials of a source and misquoting that source for the sake of a big story is precisely the kind of reporting we don't need from the Beeb. Perhaps you didn't mean him :)

Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:42 pm

TJ, Correct. Dishonest reporting should be exposed. Especially by the BBC.

There was a time we got great balanced world news coverage by "The Sunday Times" but that was before whatshisname from Australia took over :cry:

I'm a natural doubting Thomas and need to see the nail holes.............. from inside :lol:

Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:40 pm

Graceland Gardener wrote:I'm sick of hearing about the Middle East.

I'm sick of spending US dollars (billions) there.


As I heard Pat Buchanan say as a radio guest this morning say Middle East today, "I guess 'Democracy Boulevard' leads straight to Islam."

(If I'm not mistaken, we actually have a "Democracy Boulevard" in our nation's capital or near it, incidentally.)

I just found Buchanan's column (from an anti-war site :lol: ) using that same expression:

January 30, 2006
Does Democracy Boulevard Lead to Islamism?

by Patrick J. Buchanan
The neoconservatives who dreamed up the Bush Doctrine – promoting "democracy" would be the U.S. mission in the Middle East – may be about to hold yet another "Seconds Thoughts" conference.

Certainly, Israel must be having second thoughts on the folly of having yielded to U.S. pressure and allowed Hamas to participate in elections. For Hamas, which is dedicated to the destruction of Israel and employs suicide-bomb attacks on civilians, has just won a sweeping political and moral victory in Palestine.

Freedom and democracy are on the march, says President Bush. Perhaps. But there is no doubt Islamism is on the march.

Not only is Hamas now the voice of Palestinian nationalism, Hezbollah used elections to establish itself as the political power in south Lebanon. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood swept over half the parliamentary seats it was allowed to contest and appears the probable beneficiary to the political estate of President Mubarak.

In the Iraqi elections, Shia militants wiped up the floor with secularists like ex-Prime Minister Iyad Allawi and Ahmed Chalabi. In Iran, the dark horse who stormed to victory in the 2005 elections is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose commentaries on the Holocaust and wiping Israel "off the map" have even the Ayatollah nervous. In the two provinces of Pakistan that border Afghanistan, pro-Taliban fundamentalists swept the boards in recent elections.

That Zogby poll of 3,900 people in six Arab nations which revealed rampant distrust of U.S. motives and widespread detestation of Bush and Sharon appears to have been on the mark.

But what do we do now?

For Israel, it is an uncomplicated question. Both the "peace process" and the "roadmap," agreed to by the European Union, United Nations, Russia, and the United States, have long been, as Sharon aide Dov Weisglass put it, in "formaldehyde."

Israel will not negotiate with a government that includes Hamas and will proceed on the course set by Sharon after Bush gave him a green light in April 2004. Having pulled out of Gaza, Israel will wall in all Jewish settlements surrounding Jerusalem and the city itself, deny Palestinians any right of return, annex the choicest cuts of the West Bank, and leave the shank to the Palestinians.

No one – not the Palestinians, not the Arab world, not the EU – will accept this Bantustan solution, except the Americans. But that is all that counts with Israelis – be it Labor, Likud, or Kadima.

What will Bush do? Nothing. Any attempt to force Israel to negotiate on settlements or East Jerusalem would put the White House in a withering crossfire. The Christian Right and neocons would accuse him of a "Munich," while Democrats and the Israeli lobby savage him for forcing Israel to "negotiate with terrorists."

Down deep, Bush probably agrees with them.

But if Israel's course seems clear – proceed to a separation of the two peoples, wall herself in, and rely on U.S. moral, military, and materiel support indefinitely – what should U.S. policy be?

Having touted elections as America's roadmap to peace, Bush cannot credibly say we will only accept elected leaders who share our views and values. But he should demand, as we did after the Oslo Accords, that every party to any negotiation renounce terror.

As for negotiating with terrorists like Hamas, is this not just what Bush did when he agreed to lift sanctions on Gadhafi, who had been behind the air massacre of Pan Am 103? In return, Bush got a commitment from Gadhafi to compensate the victims' families, surrender his weapons of mass destruction, and forego any right to build such weapons.

During the presidential campaign, Bush's men touted the Libya agreement as a diplomatic triumph that proved the mailed fist in Iraq had induced moderation in the Arab world.

As the situation is evolving in the Middle East, Bush is going to have to modify or abandon his democracy crusade, or eat some crow and start talking to the Islamists who get elected. As for Israel, she may believe isolationism and reliance on America is a winning strategy. Demography says otherwise.

Here are the latest UN population projections [.pdf] for mid-century for Israel's neighbors, friend and foe.

Nation –– Population in 2050

Lebanon –– 5 million

West Bank, Gaza –– 10 million

Jordan –– 10 million

Syria –– 36 million

Saudi Arabia –– 49 million

Iraq –– 64 million

Iran –– 102 million

Egypt –– 126 million

Of Jordan's 10 million, 6 million will be Palestinians. Of Israel's estimated population of 10 million, 2.5 million to 3 million will be Arabs.

What recent elections tell us is that Arab peoples believe they have been misruled by corrupt leaders, with U.S. support, and the Palestinians have been brutalized, with U.S. support, and their only hope lies in Islamic militants who understand this.

Whether Israel talks to these folks, or slams the door in their faces, is her call. But if we do not wish to be as isolated, we have to talk to them. For, in the Middle East, time does not appear to be on our side. - P.B.

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Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:21 pm

It's becoming more and more evident what the populace in these Muslim countries want, and it clearly isn't peace in the Middle East. By electing terrorist organizations like Hummus...excuse me...Hamas to power, as well as other militant groups, the folks who claim to follow the "peaceful and tolerant religion of Islam" (PC BS) have sent a clear signal that they fully support the murderous tactics that these groups employ.

Fine.

I wonder what a 5,000,000 square mile sheet of glass would look like?

Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:09 pm

Greg, at last a real intelligent look at the situation. Definitely food for thought.