likethebike wrote: Just because someone says Bill Clinton did something doesn't mean he did it.
whoa, friend, don't guzzle too much of that psychedelic kool-aid.
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This is another straw man the Left likes to prop up and knock down to boost their position.Steve_M wrote:as far as the thread title goes, what war ?
Is it still on ?
Bush said the war was over.
Then he said the war on terror was on - (just when campaigning started for re-election)
Then he said the war on terror could never end.
Has Bush re-confirmed this at any point that he went to war with a war that although he said was over is one he has since said cannot end ?
Although i say he said it he might not have.
I think keeping the rest of our buildings upright and our citizens alive qualifies as the "public good" as well as health care.Rusty Martin* wrote:ok.. I`ll put the cat in with the pidgeons.....Can anyone tell me just how your health care could have improved if all the money...spent on the "war" had been used for the public good.....?
Agreed........but the way to fix the problem is to let market forces into the equation. We never had a health care crisis so-called until the Govt started lending its expertise in SNAFUslikethebike wrote:With all due respect, when Bush came out with that "Mission Accomplished" sign everyone took it that he meant the campaign in Iraq was for all intents and purposes over. We were only supposed to be there a few months. It was most definitely not a straw man. Jon Stewart on the Daily Show has done a great job of knocking down any other impression by simply using news clips by Bush and the cronies stating "Well we should be home by..."
Straw man.......since Bush mentions IN THE SAME SPEECH that the war effort is far from over. In fact, I can't remember a speech where he doesn't mention that. Stewart is generally full of excrement anyway. A real cut-n-paste artist. A bit here........a clip there......no context to be found. He makes the NY Times look fair and objective.
As for healthcare I would counter that there are just as many people left out of the equations as arbitrarily left in.
Link???
Further the amount of uninsured in this country is a disgrace. If people die in Europe from waiting in these alleged lines for healthcare they almost certainly die in the United States by not getting any healthcare at all.
Bullocks.......somebody is clogging up the waiting rooms and emergency rooms.
Many people are not aware that they can't be turned by financial reasons
Whose responsibility is it to dispel their own ignorance.......is that the Govt's job too?? People do have SOME resposibility for their own lives.......right??
however they are also that their basic livelihood can be destroyed by an extended hospital stay.
There are safety nets Bike......but it's not the Govts responsibility to make life smooth for everyone.
I do agree that insurance is not the fix all. We need more doctors. We need to emphasize more natural cures. We need to allow nurses to handle more routine duties that currently take up too much time of the doctors. We need to lower malpractice insurance although this issue is not as bad as the medical establishment makes it seem. If a doctor leaves a scalpel in your stomach, he deserves to pay.
Gosh! I'll bet we could find lots to debate in there Scatter...nah, I'll stick to enjoying your company.Scatter wrote:Agreed........but the way to fix the problem is to let market forces into the equation. We never had a health care crisis so-called until the Govt started lending its expertise in SNAFUslikethebike wrote:With all due respect, when Bush came out with that "Mission Accomplished" sign everyone took it that he meant the campaign in Iraq was for all intents and purposes over. We were only supposed to be there a few months. It was most definitely not a straw man. Jon Stewart on the Daily Show has done a great job of knocking down any other impression by simply using news clips by Bush and the cronies stating "Well we should be home by..."
Straw man.......since Bush mentions IN THE SAME SPEECH that the war effort is far from over. In fact, I can't remember a speech where he doesn't mention that. Stewart is generally full of excrement anyway. A real cut-n-paste artist. A bit here........a clip there......no context to be found. He makes the NY Times look fair and objective.
As for healthcare I would counter that there are just as many people left out of the equations as arbitrarily left in.
Link???
Further the amount of uninsured in this country is a disgrace. If people die in Europe from waiting in these alleged lines for healthcare they almost certainly die in the United States by not getting any healthcare at all.
Bullocks.......somebody is clogging up the waiting rooms and emergency rooms.
Many people are not aware that they can't be turned by financial reasons
Whose responsibility is it to dispel their own ignorance.......is that the Govt's job too?? People do have SOME resposibility for their own lives.......right??
however they are also that their basic livelihood can be destroyed by an extended hospital stay.
There are safety nets Bike......but it's not the Govts responsibility to make life smooth for everyone.
I do agree that insurance is not the fix all. We need more doctors. We need to emphasize more natural cures. We need to allow nurses to handle more routine duties that currently take up too much time of the doctors. We need to lower malpractice insurance although this issue is not as bad as the medical establishment makes it seem. If a doctor leaves a scalpel in your stomach, he deserves to pay.