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Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:57 am

Jeff, It seems if people don't agree with you they are attacking you??? :?

Now you don't like so much sex in all the TV shows(I never really noticed the sex in those shows or else I enjoyed it) but you don't mind the violence????

Now that says something!!!

I would prefer sex than violence.
Make love not war!!!

:oops:

Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:25 am

Sam, I don't think I said I don't mind violence. Well, maybe I did say that. I don't remember. Anyway, I don't enjoy violence but I don't mind it as much as explicit sex in mainstream films and TV.

Carolyn, I do respect your views and I agree that we do have choices. But, that's where my anger lies. How do I know I have a choice until it's right in my face. Okay, I can turn it off or pop the DVD out of my player but where are the programs that don't have things that bother a person. Maybe there isn't any. Someone suggested I only watch Disney. Well, I do like watching Disney animated programs but I also like adult films and TV. When I say adult, I don't mean porn. I like adult themes and adult situations. I don't like juvenile films with teenagers as their themes. I like human dramas that have something to say and make me think.

Now that we've been through three pages of this thread, can anyone, without being sarcastic, let me know what TV shows from recent years are not going to be controversial in the things that offend me? I do watch Stargate, Everwood, ER and Law And Order. I have on order House MD and CSI NY. I have enjoyed the first 4 seasons of CSI and the first 2 seasons of CSI Miami although there are some things in those two series that are offensive but I've managed to keep my temper and get through those.

Any help anyone?
jeff R

Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:52 am

carolynlm wrote:It all boils down to 'choice'....and that's a good thing. Most of us who post here, live in a democratic society where we are given the freedom to choose how we want to live. Everyone has a different point of view on most topics, and while we can listen to others views, we may not agree with them...that's our choice......what a great way to live.
Everyone knows I don't watch scary movies, and no matter how much others, (hello Tony and Sam) will try to tell me that something isn't scary, it's ultimately up to me if I watch it or not.....it's the same with these programmes with a nudity or sexually explicit plot. CHOICE......


I agree with Carolyn. We do live in a democratic society. What if we lived in places where we are told what to think? Where women had to be totally covered up and do what their husbands dictate. Where men did all the.... wait a minute!! My husband controls the remote!! We watch news and documentaries, so I don't even know what CSI is about (well, I know a bit from the ads). So, my advice is watch some of the documentaries - some of them have animals do what you do not wish to see. Do not watch the news which is full of violence and sex!!
sue

Other good advice: Walk a block in Carolyn's socks!! And Happy Thanksgiving!! :wink:

Fri Nov 25, 2005 7:57 am

jeffreyjames wrote:

Our society hasn't broken down because of the many things you mentioned? The world has gone to hell. Our society and your society has gone to hell. We are taking God out of everything and this is a good thing? We are so close to the end that it is a serious matter, not a joke.

Do you think all the wars, famine, many natural disasters just happen like they have in the past fews years. There are even tornados killing people in the USA in late November. Earthquakes, hurricanes killing thousands. Child molestation on the rise. All kinds of people in the clergy raping and having sex with children. I guess you are right, we do live in a great moral society!!

jeff R


Jeff -
I sensed that there was something more bothering you than just sexuality on t.v. And this is really it isn't it, you think we've entered the end times, and it's troubling you. Well, I too am troubled by the way the world has been going. But here's the thing Jeff: If we are in fact seeing the beginning of the end times unfolding then as a believer you knew this was bound to happen eventually right? I understand and share your concern and apprehension, but there is nothing that you or I or anyone else can do about it. Whatever will be will be. Pray, keep the faith, bear witness. The rest is in God's hands.

Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:17 am

Yes, Pete, I guess I have been thinking a lot of those things recently. And, yes, there is nothing we can do about it. It will happen as is prophesied and we will just have to bear with it.
Thanks for being so kind and thoughtful to see through me.

And Silver or Sue, I have no idea what you are trying to say.

jeff R

Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:20 am

KiwiAlan wrote:I would wager that 95% of the public are quite happy with the current TV set-up.


I'd have to disagree with that...
I can't believe the crap we have to put up with in this country and it has nothing to do with sex on TV.
There's absolutely nothing to watch!!!
It seems the more channels these morons come up with, the less there is to actually enjoy.
I used to love spending an hour or two at the end of the day watching TV... say about 8-10 years ago... now I think there are only 3 or 4 shows I can actually tolerate.
One thing about the "sex on TV" issue... it is somewhat annoying when I watch repeats of "Friends" that I have to constantly change the channel when my 6 year old is sitting close by understanding all the sexual innuendo and talk of penis' and the like... but that's the great thing about the invention of the REMOTE CONTROL...
I don't have a problem with sex on TV... I just can't find anything worth watching... I need to get DIRECT-TV back... GOD, I miss DIRECT-TV!!!

Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:28 am

Pete Dube wrote:I understand and share your concern and apprehension, but there is nothing that you or I or anyone else can do about it. Whatever will be will be. Pray, keep the faith, bear witness. The rest is in God's hands.


Well stated, Pete.
My philosophy has always been not to worry about things we can't control and have a deep faith in the man upstairs...
That's probably why I'm still alive. When I think of all the *&%$ that goes on around us these days... or how badly we are being screwed by our own governments... I think I'll stop there.

Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:22 pm

Jeffery, adult themes and adult situations are unfortunately going to have some conections with sex because sex is very much a part of adult situations and themes.

You also really could do with remembering what you said, we do, otherwise you're going to not understand what we are talking about and think that when we disagree with you that we are attacking you.

I don't believe in heaven, God or follow and faith. I like it like that. You on the other hand do and you like it like that. I respect your choice and wish you could do the same for me. I don't think what you follow is right or wrong but that you think it is right for you. I'm glad you are able to follow your choice, again I hope you would feel the same for me, but I'm not sure if your faith is one that promotes respect for others choices or whether it dictates that there is no choice in the matter.

Personally, I'm glad I won't be going to heaven as I believe it would be filled with people like you and my life is going to be pretty boring if it came to watching TV in heaven. :wink:

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:12 pm

carolynlm wrote:There are things on tv that I won't watch....those horrible reality programmes for a start......but they are obviously catering to an audience, so they are here to stay. I doubt we have as many on our tv here as there are in ther countries, but we are lucky enough to have a very good Australian television network, that give us some quality tv......


"Horrible reality programmes"...So very true. I can´t understand why people watch any of them. The programmes, all of them, are so stupid and requires no thinking from the people watching them. Perhaps thats why they are so popular, no brains needed.
I would rather watch a soapopera (and I can´t stand them eighter)...

Fri Nov 25, 2005 2:14 pm

carolynlm wrote:Everyone knows I don't watch scary movies, and no matter how much others, (hello Tony and Sam) will try to tell me that something isn't scary, it's ultimately up to me .


You know you can trust me Carolyn!!! :wink: :oops:


8)

Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:44 am

Steve_M wrote:Personally, I'm glad I won't be going to heaven as I believe it would be filled with people like you and my life is going to be pretty boring if it came to watching TV in heaven. :wink:


i personally am looking forward to purgatory or limbo (actually isn't that where people who were good but don't have a religion go? the top ring of hell before you go into the 7 deadly sins...)

i must say...purgatory and limbo will have much better tv programming. the gray area is so much more interesting than the white area. the sunday school bible videos with low production values and little kid's shows in heaven must be terribly boring.

isn't it funny that of dante's divine comedy, the most popular volume is il inferno? actually, i'm pretty sure that il paradisio is the least popular volume.

so since i'm probably headed to limbo...see y'all in hell. lol.

though i would be missing out on the elvis concerts in heaven. though i'm suspecting rock 'n roll heaven by your standards, jeffreyjames, is closer to purgatory.

speaking of purgatory, that was a good movie.

Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:53 am

You are one disgustingly sad, sad person Elvis' Babe. Small wonder that you use the type of moniker that you use. That, in itself, says something about your personality.

jeff R

Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:50 am

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Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:05 am

You are right. I do seem to be on the offensive much of the time especially when I speak my faith. I know I shouldn't do it but I have my problems and issues too.

I find it hard not to fight back when children come on the board and talk senselessly about limbo or whatever. It seems to ruin the whole flow of this thread.

I began this thread about my disgust of needless sex on TV. It has sprung into God debate and many other things. I wish it would have stayed the way I originally started this posting. But there always have to be people that just have to come on and spout off about their athiesm or other things that are not even related to the original post.

Now, again I would like to know if anyone has any idea of any good TV shows on television right now that are good and do not contain the sex scenes that I had described in the original post.

Please let's get back to discussing the real issues. I will also try to be a good boy.

jeff R

Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:54 am

it's true though. i haven't had holy water poured on my head, so technically i can't go to heaven because that's christian doctrine.

technically, albert einstein didn't go to the christian's view of heaven either. limbo can't be too bad of a place.

so no. i'm not a "sad, sad person".

i'm actually biblically speaking, pretty much squeaky clean, even if i do watch morally ambiguous tv shows (think a psychological study on that "gray area") and i don't go all nutty about trying to say who is moral or immoral.

i've met more people who you would deem sinners without question, and gotten to know them better than you can probably claim. i bet you'd say 90% of those kids that i knew at casa by the sea were immoral. don't judge a book by its cover.

and what i said about il inferno and il purgatorio being checked out more frequently and being more popular than il paradisio is the truth. lol. i thought that was well-known fact. i had a mythology teacher that had a bit of trouble liking that fact even though he knew it, because it's true. humanity is way more entertained/intrigued by the dark side than it is by the light.

jesus' apostles included a tax collector--i can't imagine he was very popular. they also included a guy who is said to be in the middle mouth of satan who is frozen in ice in the 9th ring of hell according to dante--a place reserved for the worst of sinners along with brutus and cassius (the traitors)--and yes, i'm talking about judas iscariot.

    Limbo is for babies who die in the original sin before they are baptized and people who were good people but not Christian--therefore never were baptized as Christians.

    Pride is excessive belief in one's own abilities, that interferes with the individual's recognition of the grace of God. It has been called the sin from which all others arise. Pride is also known as Vanity.

    Envy is the desire for others' traits, status, abilities, or situation.

    Gluttony is an inordinate desire to consume more than that which one requires.

    Lust is an inordinate craving for the pleasures of the body.

    Anger is manifested in the individual who spurns love and opts instead for fury. It is also known as Wrath.

    Greed is the desire for material wealth or gain, ignoring the realm of the spiritual. It is also called Avarice or Covetousness.

    Sloth is the avoidance of physical or spiritual work.

    Treason is the 9th ring of Hell reserved for the greatest of sinners--Cassius, Judas & Brutus.


we all have at least a few of the 7 deadly sins in part, but i doubt any of us are going to Hell because i doubt any of us do these things to the extent that would probably be necessary.

Classical Greek philosophers considered the foremost virtues to be prudence, temperance, courage, and justice. Early Christian Church theologians adopted these virtues and considered them to be equally important to all people, whether they were Christian or not.

The Contrary Virtues were derived from the Psychomachia ("Battle for the Soul"), an epic poem written by Prudentius (c. 410). Practicing these virtues is alledged to protect one against temptation toward the Seven Deadly Sins: humility against pride, kindness against envy, abstinence against gluttony, chastity against lust, patience against anger, liberality against greed, and diligence against sloth.

The Heavenly Virtues combine the four Cardinal Virtues: prudence, temperance, fortitude -- or courage, and justice, with a variation of the theological virtues: faith, hope, and charity.

Continuing the numerological mysticism of Seven, the Christian Church assembled a list of seven good works that was included in medieval catechisms. They are: feed the hungry, give drink to the thirsty, give shelter to strangers, clothe the naked, visit the sick, minister to prisoners, and bury the dead.


as far as my moniker...elvis' babe...it came out of my usual moniker of nileqt87 being messed up in registration. excuse me that i'm a babe (female) and i like elvis. i imagine if girls 50 years ago had the internet, they'd have similar monikers. and they were probably more likely to be going to church every sunday. it doesn't make me immoral if i'm keeping the tradition of elvis' female fanbase alive. it was teenage girls that were his original fans.

and yet, even being religious, these little girls were throwing themselves at elvis, another religious kid. they were human, not feelingless rocks.

are you one of those "rock 'n roll is the devil's work" types?

i'm not saying let's all fornicate and let hell come to town. i'm just saying realize that humanity is in the gray area, not all white and black.

you aren't all pearly white, and everybody else who "lives in the now" aren't all going to hell.

i'm agnostic simply because i obsess over historical accuracy and i see the bible as christian mythology. however, i still follow the moral structures of our society. it doesn't matter what text you use to guide you. i use familial morals, which indeed are heavily christian. but i think they work fine in the familial context. i don't need church or a book of fables to tell me things. historically every culture throughout history has had a religious text full of embellished mythological stories. to me, adam & eve/exodus/jonah/etc... are the equivelent and just as historically accurate as every other myth (whether it be the illiad & the odyssey/orpheus/isis & osiris/odin/mohammad...whatever). in the end, it means a whole lot of the same. believe it or not, it's just culture's way of updating itself every couple thousand years. something will eventually replace judeo-christianity (a fairly recent religion in comparison to many others).

Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:21 am

I'm afraid I have no idea what you are talking about most of the time. Nor, I would suppose, anyone else.
You are really out there, Elvis' Babe.

jeff R

Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:52 am

i'm sorry i assumed you'd be familiar with basic religious views involving the afterlife.

i guess i can cut out any possible discussion we might have had about which religion's afterlife is our favorite... no talk about the river styx and weighing one's heart against the feather of truth. ;)

i'm a nerd. i accept that.

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:23 am

My views are from the Bible not any fictitious books.

jeff R

Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:08 am

dante aligheieri's divine comedy is pretty much where most of that seven deadly sin/descriptions of traditional christian afterlife stuff came from.

it's all mythology. and dante's work is pretty much right in there with biblical literature as far as what is heaven, purgatory, and hell.

your views of heaven, purgatory, and hell were influenced by dante whether you know it or not.

his descriptions in particular have been influential.

and the bible is fiction. it's a book of myths--a book of fables if you will. it tells people how to behave and what was/is morally acceptable, therefore it is a collection of fables, who have some historical accuracy, though these fables have heavy flourishes and embellishments.

it's not literal.

it was how people explained things that couldn't be explained. that's why there was such a fuss over people like galileo galilei. the bible has some problems when you know too much history and science because it was written when the knowledge wasn't readily available. then again, the bible was written by many HUMANS over many years a long time ago.

at one time people KNEW a lot of things from many religions. but in hindsight, some of the things people used to believe are rather funny.

at one time the pharaoh akhenaten was called a heretic for inventing his own religion--worship of the aten--the first monotheistic religion. this was back when gods were gods of objects or things that happen. this worship of a single god was radical.

mythology isn't just the study of fairytales. it's the study of religions whose followers have wholeheartedly felt their religion was the one just like you believe yours is.

Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:21 am

Sorry EB.......but you're a bit off here.

Dante did not get his imagery from the Bible. There is no purgatory mentioned there. And the descriptions of Heaven and Hell are scant, and are nowhere near Dante's imagery.

He may well have been influenced by Catholic dogma........but that's hardly Biblical, and his vision far outstrips that as well.

As for your contention that you are a stickler for historical accuracy, and therefore reject the Bible.........and I say this as a friend........again, you are mistaken. Most of the great archeological discoveries in the Middle East have been discovered as a RESULT of the Bible's historical accuracy.
Using the Bible as a roadmap led to the discovery of Jericho (which was burnt entirely and had its walls flattened exactly as the Bible describes).

The discovery of Ur of the Chaldees........with its impressive library and society.

Ancient Babylon........

The City of David.

Solomon's stables.

Sodom amd Gomorrha.

And on,and on........

The Hittites were thought of a Biblical myth. Not any more.

Pontius Pilate was said to be a literary invention. Not any more.

The Roman census which sent Mary and Joseph to Bethlehem for Jesus' birth was considered pure fiction. Until the records of it were discovered.

The Exodus of the Jews from Egypt as well was considered fictitious........until rock drawing distinctly Hebraic were discovered in the desert route which the Bible describes.

I could go on........but I'll spare you :wink: .

Here.........do some research for yourself.

http://www.christiananswers.net/canlogo8b.jpg

There is a good list of recommended sites listed on the front page that will provide you with some other excellent resources as well.

Oh, and by the way...........the sort of derogatory and accusatory tone used here by some to denigrate those who do not believe as we do has no Biblical precedent. That sort of harsh language was reserved for those WITHIN the Church, not for those outside. Sinners were indeed told of their sin and need for a Saviour.........but the sort of reprimands we see here were reserved for those within the Church who failed to walk their faith. Let's follow that model, shall we???

Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:43 pm

Jeff

you wrote:Now, again I would like to know if anyone has any idea of any good TV shows on television right now that are good and do not contain the sex scenes that I had described in the original post.

Well, I sure have to be careful, when suggesting TV series to you, as they may contain things you oppose which I don't even notice, but have you ever tried "Monk"?

Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:57 pm

According To Jim
The Apprentice
George Lopez Show


I think no matter what you watch, there is going to be a certain amount of sexual innuendo.
It's just a case of how much or to what extent you are comfortable with it.

Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:02 pm

jeffreyjames wrote:My views are from the Bible not any fictitious books.

jeff R


Adam was made out of clay. For Eve "God" needed a rib from Adam.
They had 2 children, Caïn and Abel. One killed the other and ran off and married a daughter of the humans. What????? Where do these "humans" suddenly come from? Fictitious!!!!!!

Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:10 pm

Scatter wrote:The Exodus of the Jews from Egypt as well was considered fictitious........until rock drawing distinctly Hebraic were discovered in the desert route which the Bible describes.



A Giant picked up a piece of Ireland and threw it into the Irish sea.

Lough neagh now fills the hole left in the ground, and the land the giant hurled into the sea is now the Isle of Mann.

Proof enough of the existence of the Giant:-)

http://www.interlink.org.nz/projects/myth/mythpet.html

Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:07 pm

um actually the historical proof of the existance of the hittites is the fact that ramses II fought a war against them in 1275 b.c. called the battle of kadesh against king muwatallis.

the historical proof of the hittites is written all over ramses II's extensive building obsession all over egypt. the bible 'proving' their existance in this case is irrelavant because there is first-hand documentation of a war with them by the egyptians who actually dealt with them.

as far as the exodus--major historical flaws there. anybody who has read extensively about ramses II knows what i'm talking about. again, i recommend the video series by bob brier--we are talking history channel stuff vs. a christian answers site.

and as far as egyptian records proving things...it's an island called elephantine island near aswan that proves the existance of the hebrews in egypt and spent 40 years wandering in the desert. this stone stela was erected by king merenptah--son of ramses II. thus proving ramses II was the pharaoh of the exodus.

however, the events in the exodus have been greatly embellished--sea of reeds, sea turning to blood is more likely the red nile which happens frequently of natural causes where red sediment flows down from ethiopia. the locusts and such were another frequence in egypt. not quite so amazing to the egyptians. locusts, inundations, and famine were of common occurance.

and as i mentioned before, amun-kepchef (first born son of ramses II) was the first of 13 sons to die before their father. probably around 50% of ramses II's 200 children died before him. as far as wives--he had 36 main wives--8 of which were really important wives, and probably 200 or so concubines. the sons are buried in the largest tomb of the valley of the kings--kv5.

you got me on an egyptology rant...but yes...the bible is NOT literal in the historical context. there are references to real historical events, but it is far from the truth.

and yes, the sumerian king sargon is where the moses reed basket myth got lifted from. sargon predates moses, and his legend is older.