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I'm even more disgusted in TV programs!!

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:42 am

A few years ago my wife and I, being fans of Star Trek, finally stopped watching Enterprise because of the direction this series was taking. In a few words, the soft-core porn segments with the vulcan. Anyone who has seen this series will know what I mean. After 10 films, 5 different series, we decided to stop watching. Someday we will try it again. After all, I've purchased all the seasons on DVD. Maybe I can do a quick scan through those scenes.

A couple weeks ago we rented Smallville Season 4. We both enjoyed the first 3 seasons. We made it through 2 1/2 episodes. It seemed that every 10 minutes or so they had to have someone in the shower or someone half naked. The camera had to linger and make it totally sexual. Plus the subplot of Lana living alone in Paris and sleeping with a professor. This is between her junior and senior season in high school!

This week we decided to rent the series Lost Season 1. This one we actually got through 8 episodes. We almost stopped after two episodes but decided to watch more because the show was gripping and interesting. But too many soft-core porn and lingering shots of women scantilly clad. It was strange thinking how the producers or directors could think of so many ways for women to take their shirts off in front of complete strangers.

Now, I will tell you something. I'm not that big of a prude and I'm not against sexual relations on TV or in films. But when they do it just to arouse the viewers, this is where I get annoyed. They already have Sex And The City, Desperate Housewives and many others that have sex as their themes. Why do they have to trash out other programs. Do they think that they will get more viewers if they have lots of sex? Don't they think they will lose other viewers because of too much sex?

Have the sex shows if they have to but don't destroy other shows that many people like to watch that don't want to see it.

I really enjoyed "Smallville" and "Lost" but now won't watch them. I'm glad I'm not a parent with small kids. I don't know how parents today with high morals can watch TV with their kids. I'm sure there are some good shows. "Everwood" comes to mind. But with Everwood, the first season did not sell and I've heard they won't release any other seasons. I did buy the first and am very upset that they won't release more seasons.

It's no wonder my collection of films and TV programs are 40 or more years old.

jeff R

Wed Nov 23, 2005 1:49 am

Personally, I don't think there's enough Tits on TV. I've only been on once!

Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:00 am

Jeff -

You sound like an American Mary Whitehouse !

In case you don't know her, that's not a compliment !

Sex has been used to 'spice things up a bit' since time immemorial !

Does no one any harm, and offers a little titillation to the masses.

Can't see what your problem is.

Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:22 am

Some of the usual rubbish that bounces over my desk.

US TV sex scenes 'on increase'
The number of scenes on US TV featuring sex has nearly doubled in the last seven years, a study has suggested. The survey for US health pressure group the Kaiser Family Foundation showed there were 3,783 scenes in a 1,000-hour sample, compared with 1,930 in 1998.

It found that 70% of shows had sexual content, ranging from a reference to full depiction, with five sex-related scenes per hour on average.

TV bosses said parents have technology to bar content they deem inappropriate.

The foundation's survey found the number of sex-related scenes in the leading teen TV shows was nearly seven per hour.

Behaviour link

It cited examples including a discussion of sex on the WB's Gilmore Girls to a depiction of sexual intercourse in Fox's The OC.

The study examined programmes on ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, WB, PBS, Lifetime, TNT, USA Network and HBO.

Lead researcher Dale Kunkel said it was generally accepted that TV influenced children's behaviour.

"Their sexual knowledge, attitudes and behaviours are all shaped in part by the characters in stories that television conveys," he said.

Tony Vinciquerra, president and chief executive of Fox Networks Group, said parents had controls such as the V-chip, which is built into TV sets to allow parents to block shows based on ratings.

Safety message

He added that TV bosses were aware of parents' concerns.

"We have debates every minute of every day about what goes on television," he said.

The Kaiser study suggested a slight rise in shows promoting a message about contraception and the risks in having sex.

Among the shows that featured sexual content, 14% had discussions about waiting to have sex or safe sex, up from nine per cent in 1998.

The report follows a review in April by the Parents Television Council, which claimed that many US shows did not have enough prior warnings on sex and violence.

ColinB - as usual your years and advice make excellent sense.

Best wishes

Geoff

Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:35 am

JJ can you tell me what episodes I`ve missed? :oops: :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wed Nov 23, 2005 2:37 am

the best TV shows are 30-50 years old.

Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:50 am

Cocca cola..."you can beat the real thing"


:wink:

Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:47 am

I knew I would receive a bunch of criticisms for my posting but I thought that maybe a few would feel somewhat like I do. I thought we could have a good debate about this subject. I guess I was wrong.
However, I do agree with GG that the best TV shows were done 30-50 years ago. There have been some good ones since but nowadays it's all about the mighty dollar and to get the biggest audience and not the quality and characters.
At least Stargate SG-1 hasn't sucumbed to the trash and drivel that has been conquering the televison screens in recent years.

jeff R

Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:53 am

Personally I'm far more offended by the fact that most TV producers today think a good show consists of basically sticking a camera in a room and recording what happens than any sexual content.

Re: I'm even more disgusted in TV programs!!

Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:15 am

jeffreyjames wrote:This week we decided to rent the series Lost Season 1. This one we actually got through 8 episodes. We almost stopped after two episodes but decided to watch more because the show was gripping and interesting. But too many soft-core porn and lingering shots of women scantilly clad. It was strange thinking how the producers or directors could think of so many ways for women to take their shirts off in front of complete strangers.


I've watched the first 15 or so episodes of Lost and I think you really have to be oversensitive to come away with that impression. There has been no nudity at all. If you are talking about the occasional bikini shot, well half the show takes place on a beach so it's hardly gratuitous. You actually stopped watching the show because it was too sexy??

Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:18 am

Sadly, the morals in society today is not what they used to be...
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:27 am

Graceland Gardener wrote:the best TV shows are 30-50 years old.


GG, you are RIGHT!!
Most of the films we have are very old!! (Like Double Indemnity, where Phyllis and Walter stay up all night listening to the rain and he's holding her.)
sue

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:11 pm

jeffreyjames, there is a lot of truth in your post.

In "Farenheit 451" the Author (Ray Bradbury wrote of how the general public in the future will watch wall to wall porn on TV. That book was published about 5 or even 6 decades ago!

Yes some of the stuff is mild and just about titillating but UK Channel 4 in particular shows stuff only fit for the sewer. Many other channels are following their lead.

There are a few playing to the gallery here, that happens a lot. But Parents should be more responsible and turn off the TV far more often.

We cannot hide our children from the brutal reality of life, but we need not spoil/rush their childhood.

Many of us grew up before TV AND the absolutely stupid, so-called reality shows! Tasteless nonsense masquerading as entertainment.

I pity people with young children. The pressures on them are enormous.
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Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:12 pm

Scarre wrote:Sadly, the morals in society today is not what they used to be...


If only we could go back to the high morals of 1953, before that Presley devil came and ruined it all with his vulgar movements on stage.
:D :D :D :D :D

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:17 pm

Luuk wrote:
Scarre wrote:Sadly, the morals in society today is not what they used to be...


If only we could go back to the high morals of 1953, before that Presley devil came and ruined it all with his vulgar movements on stage.
:D :D :D :D :D


I trust that those laughing faces means that you will take my post the right way...

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:25 pm

Scarre wrote:
Luuk wrote:
Scarre wrote:Sadly, the morals in society today is not what they used to be...


If only we could go back to the high morals of 1953, before that Presley devil came and ruined it all with his vulgar movements on stage.
:D :D :D :D :D


I trust that those laughing faces means that you will take my post the right way...


I saw "This is Elvis" with the cab driver with his nasty slogan on the cab telling vividly about how rock and roll ruined society and that DJ that broke 78's with the slogan "rock and roll has got to go". And then I thought "What's mentally wrong with those people?". They acted like rock and roll was done by and made for criminals. But in the meantime the cab driver refused to transport certain people, which I think is a criminal act.

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:29 pm

Jeff -
I agree with you in general, there is alot of gratuitous sex envelope pushing on t.v. these days. But I don't see anything objectionable about Lost.

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:39 pm

Maybe you just watch too much tv Jeff ?

Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:51 pm

EZZZZ,
The thing is is that I hardly watch any TV. I stopped watching about 15 years ago. The only TV I watch is news. But I do rent a lot of season box sets of TV shows. I like to watch them that way.

Pete Dube,
It was the fact that every woman had to wear low cut outfits to show their boobs off or the shortest shorts possible. I could count about 20 times per episode that the female was bending down before someone and the camera would have to show her cleavage.
To me that's total exploitation of women. To me, it ruined a good show. It trashed it.

It's not just the sex and semi-nudity in this show and others...it's the immorality of TV.
If a person is against violence, they don't watch violent shows. If a person is against bad language, don't watch any show that has bad language. If a person is against overly-sexed shows, what does he/she do? It seems to be in everything.

jeff R

Wed Nov 23, 2005 7:57 pm

Pete Dube wrote:Jeff -
I agree with you in general, there is alot of gratuitous sex envelope pushing on t.v. these days.
But I don't see anything objectionable about Lost.


That's the problem, isn't it ?

Once you adopt the role of a self-styled 'moral guardian', you begin to see naughtiness and sin in the most innocent of programmes.

Best to 'live & let live' I reckon.

Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:10 pm

ColinB wrote:
Pete Dube wrote:Jeff -
I agree with you in general, there is alot of gratuitous sex envelope pushing on t.v. these days.
But I don't see anything objectionable about Lost.


That's the problem, isn't it ?

Once you adopt the role of a self-styled 'moral guardian', you begin to see naughtiness and sin in the most innocent of programmes.

Best to 'live & let live' I reckon.


Sin?

There's some vile stuff on TV these days. I'm extremely broadminded but some adult stuff shown is definitely not for innocent young eyes.

Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:16 pm

I'm just saying that a lot of things on TV and film is immoral. Look at our society as a whole. Is it not immoral.
I know you are not a Christian, Colin B, and that is probably why it is not objectionable to you. Or to many others. We are conditioned to this after decades of trash.
I'm not trying to criticise others who enjoy this stuff. It's just that myself and others find this stuff objectionable.
I know, you might say, then don't watch it. I say, how am I supposed to watch anything and not be faced with a moral dilemna?
I enjoy film...always have. I have nearly 2000 DVDs. But it is hard finding anything currently produced to watch.

jeff R

Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:18 pm

Maurice -

You wrote:
I'm extremely broadminded but some adult stuff shown is definitely not for innocent young eyes


Well, we were talking about post-watershed broadcasts, of course !

It's up to parents to monitor what the little eyes are looking at.

Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:27 pm

ColinB,Some of the stuff is shown in trailers in the afternoon and unsuitable movies are shown that could be seen by accident as youngsters enter a room or change channels.

Standards are slipping away fast.

We have noticed this trend in recent years.

Our own children thanked us for turning off the TV when they were young.

They can now watch all the repeats, for the first time:-)

Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:52 pm

Well, no more sex on the telly for me. From now on I will use the more comfortable couch. :P