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Sun Nov 20, 2005 7:50 pm

Maybe if Gary Glitter was on the run and wanted to go to a place where its acceptable to have girls as young as 14 he should have gone to some of the southern States of the US where the justice system thinks its ok to have sex with girls so young.
As long as you marry them first that is. :wink:

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:39 pm

ColinB wrote:Steve M -

You are right about the age of 'consent' being 16 in the UK.

But for a man having sex with a girl younger than that, the age of the man does make a difference.

I don't know the specifics of it, but it's a worse crime if the guy is much older than the girl.


The specifics are:

If the male is under twenty-five years of age and has reasonable cause to believe that the girl was sixteen years of age or older.

So if he thought she had a job, or she'd told him, etc. If he was picking her up from school that might cast doubt on his story, or if the relationship was abusive.

Given the first set of circumstances the Crown Prosecution Service tends to look the other way.

Geoff

Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:55 pm

ColinB wrote:Steve M -

You are right about the age of 'consent' being 16 in the UK.

But for a man having sex with a girl younger than that, the age of the man does make a difference.

I don't know the specifics of it, but it's a worse crime if the guy is much older than the girl.


Not in law Colin. The only thing actually stipulated in law is a further age of 12 years (not sure if that's 12 years exactly, or 12 years and so many months).
What comes into play then is something to do with what TJ said. Uner 12 rule means there is no looking the other way by the CPS. There is no tloerance for accepting that "He thought she was older", as the 12 year thing was made as being a point where no such excuse could reasonably stand up.

The CPS does operate a discretionary view as TJ says, but that is not law and some argue that one division of the CPS is not going to be consistant with another area CPS and two very similar case could have opposite consequences.

Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:20 pm

Sean Ryan wrote:Hey Tits. Your comments on your PM to me totally sums you up.I had a feeling you were gonna put something like that. :wink:
Being vulger and swearing on this messageboard just shows what a immature person you are.


Glad I didn't disappoint you.


Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14 year old cousin because he wanted to have sex with her and he thought that was ok if they were married.

Elvis didnt marry Priscilla till she was 21 and it was then that Elvis first had sex with her.


Hee, hee, hee. Yeah, right. So Jerry Lee is the Devil and Elvis is whiter than white. How naive can you get? Wake up and smell the coffee.

Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:30 pm

Tits McGhee wrote:
Sean Ryan wrote:Hey Tits. Your comments on your PM to me totally sums you up.I had a feeling you were gonna put something like that. :wink:
Being vulger and swearing on this messageboard just shows what a immature person you are.


Glad I didn't disappoint you.


Jerry Lee Lewis married his 14 year old cousin because he wanted to have sex with her and he thought that was ok if they were married.

Elvis didnt marry Priscilla till she was 21 and it was then that Elvis first had sex with her.


Hee, hee, hee. Yeah, right. So Jerry Lee is the Devil and Elvis is whiter than white. How naive can you get? Wake up and smell the coffee.


I,ve never said that JLL is the devil or i think Elvis was whiter than white.All im saying is that Elvis thought it was morally wrong to have sexual intercourse with a girl as young as 14.JLL didnt care.

Is that the best answer you have Tits.I think your name sums you up completely.What a Tit you are, in every sense of the word. :wink:

Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:43 pm

Sean, JLL did care. He cared so much that he married the person in question. If he didn't care he wouldn't have bothered to marry her, would he ?

Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:00 am

Steve,

The only reason JLL married her was so he could have sex with her.

I suppose he did care for her to wait till he got married to her to have sex but i still think he was wrong to do it.Maybe he thought 'if its legal to marry a girl at 14 where i live then its ok to have sex with her'.

To be honest, and you have just made me realise Steve, that its not JLL fault at all, he did what he did, but the justice system in that part of the US.

Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:47 am

Yes Sean, but it was easier to make you figure that than just me saying "It was the law not him that was to blame". If what he did was within the law and you don't think that it was still right then it has to be a case of questioning the law.

The laws in the UK are too far in one direction and not enough in others. But a balance has to be struck and it is better to be over cautious than to trust that perverts don't exist enough to worry.

But, one other thing about the JLL situation - she was willing.

Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:28 am

Sean Ryan wrote:Steve,

The only reason JLL married her was so he could have sex with her.

He married her because he loved her, you daft git. They remained married until 1971.

Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:41 am

Elvis' Babe wrote:woody allen would be a better comparison to gary glitter.


Er, why? Woody Allen has no history of having sex with underage girls! I assume you must be thinking of the daughter of Mia Farrow, Soon-Yi Previn, who Woody fell for and later married. She was 22 when they announced the relationship, not 14.

Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:42 am

Steve_M wrote:What comes into play then is something to do with what TJ said. Uner 12 rule means there is no looking the other way by the CPS. There is no tloerance for accepting that "He thought she was older", as the 12 year thing was made as being a point where no such excuse could reasonably stand up.

The CPS does operate a discretionary view as TJ says, but that is not law and some argue that one division of the CPS is not going to be consistant with another area CPS and two very similar case could have opposite consequences.


I'm a bit confused. I didn't say any of that Steve :? :)

Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:43 am

TJ wrote:
Elvis' Babe wrote:woody allen would be a better comparison to gary glitter.


Er, why? Woody Allen has no history of having sex with underage girls! I assume you must be thinking of the daughter of Mia Farrow, Soon-Yi Previn, who Woody fell for and later married. She was 22 when they announced the relationship, not 14.


The girl was an adopted [or fostered] daughter of Mia Farrow.

Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:48 am

ColinB wrote:
TJ wrote:
Elvis' Babe wrote:woody allen would be a better comparison to gary glitter.


Er, why? Woody Allen has no history of having sex with underage girls! I assume you must be thinking of the daughter of Mia Farrow, Soon-Yi Previn, who Woody fell for and later married. She was 22 when they announced the relationship, not 14.


The girl was an adopted [or fostered] daughter of Mia Farrow.


Yes, adopted by Mia and André Previn. It might be an odd and somewhat callous thing for Woody to do, but I don't see a Gary Glitter parallel.

Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:50 am

Sorry TJ, should have been TB. :oops:

Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:55 am

Steve_M wrote:Sorry TJ, should have been TB. :oops:


No worries Steve :wink: I scrolled up after and realised what you must have meant.

Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:06 am

i find adopted daughter marriage slightly ickier. 2nd cousin a la the lewises is bad, but not nearly as bad as oh say...

eleanore roosevelt (maiden name) roosevelt (married name) and franklin delano roosevelt.

they were FIRST COUSINS. and NOT from the south. lol

it says something that the jerry lee/myra marriage lasted until 1971. that means they both gave it an honest shot. elvis' marriage didn't last nearly that long.

Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:28 pm

Getting back to the thread....


Gary Glitter Faces 'Death by Firing Squad'



Accused: British rocker Gary Glitter, right, was photographed at Vietnam's Phuoc To prison


Disgraced Seventies rock star Gary Glitter could face death by firing squad after he was accused of having sex with a girl aged just 12, police said.

Sexual intercourse with a 12-year old regardless of whether there is consent is still considered rape under Vietnamese law, with a maximum penalty of death before a firing squad, according to the police.

The revelations come after two girls, aged 12 and 18 years old, told the police they had sex with the former singer - real name Paul Francis Gadd - at his rented home in the southern resort of Vung Tau in Vietnam.

There were conflicting reports that the second girl had not yet turned 18. Under Vietnamese law, sexual contact with a minor carries varying degrees of penalties, depending on the charge.

"Obscene acts with a child'' can lead to up to 12 years in prison while child rape carries the maximum penalty of death before a firing squad.

"Having sex with a 12-year-old girl, regardless of whether he had her consent, is still considered child rape under Vietnamese law,'' a police officer said.

The 61-year-old former singer was arrested on Saturday at Tan Son Nhat International Airport in Ho Chi Minh City as he tried to flee the country. He left his rented home in Vung Tau a week ago amid allegations about his relationships with two teenage girls.



Vietnam: Authorities detained Gary Glitter over allegations he indulged in lewd acts with a child


Glitter has been taken back to Vung Tau for further investigation by the police. He has not been charged with any crime but remains in custody at a jail outside the coastal city, police said.

Vung Tau police said they were continuing to investigate the case and will be questioning him further. The case has been highly publicised in the state-controlled media, which had reported that Glitter was seen in Vung Tau with several teenage girls, whom he invited to his home, since moving to the area in March.

Thanh Nien (Youth) newspaper reported that the two girls were invited to Glitter's home, where he paid them for sex. The 12-year-old told police she had sex three times with Glitter, who paid her £5.50 each time, the paper said.

Police would not confirm whether either of the girls claimed they were paid for sex. Last week, the foreign ministry said Glitter had been living in Vung Tau since March and had applied for permanent resident status in Vietnam.

Authorities interviewed a 15-year-old girl they found in Glitter's home, ministry spokesman Le Dung said.

"If evidence of a (legal) violation is found against Mr Paul Francis (Gadd's middle name), and especially evidence of sexual child abuse, I believe that very strict legal measures will apply to him,'' Dung said.

A Foreign Office spokeswoman said: "We are aware of the arrest of a British national and consular support is being provided.''

Glitter was convicted in Britain in 1999 of possessing child pornography and served half of a four-month jail sentence before being released. He later went to Cambodia and was permanently expelled in 2002, reportedly for trawling for underage sex, although Cambodian officials did not specify his crime or file charges.

Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:23 pm

He should be buggered to death by someone much much older than him.

Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:28 pm

Steve_M wrote:He should be buggered to death by someone much much older than him.


The UN Convention on Human Rights may define that as "cruel and unusual punishment" :wink:

Geoff :lol:

Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:10 am

tupelo_boy wrote:
Steve_M wrote:He should be buggered to death by someone much much older than him.


The UN Convention on Human Rights may define that as "cruel and unusual punishment" :wink:

Geoff :lol:


Good. Glad to know that it would be official. :lol:

Wait until I suggest the implement the other bloke should be able to use as well. :wink:

I thought of a way around the UN Convention on Human Rights, they can sub contract the punishment out to the US army. :lol: :lol: :lol: (Oh whoops - bit controversial)

Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:59 am

I think you are being a bit hard on Mr Glitter.

I've seen a photo of this 12-year-old and quite frankly, she could be taken for thirteen-and-a-half by anybody.

Tue Nov 22, 2005 2:18 am

It seems Gary is in a heap of trouble. You really think they'll shoot him?


The faded glam rocker, best known for the ubiquitous sports anthem "Rock and Roll Part II," was arrested Saturday morning by Vietnamese immigration authorities on charges of child molestation as he tried to board a flight from Ho Chi Minh City to Bangkok, according to published reports.


The news comes two days after the Vietnam's foreign ministry revealed that Glitter, whose real name is Paul Francis Gadd, was wanted by police for questioning regarding allegations he had sex with two girls, one of whom was 15 and the other only 12, while living in the southern resort town of Vung Tau. The age of consent in Vietnam is 16.


The bouffant-wigged British crooner allegedly committed "lewd acts" on the girls. If found guilty, Glitter could face up to 12 years in prison for obscene behavior, while a charge of child rape could carry the death penalty, which would be carried out by firing squad.


"Having sex with a 12-year-old girl, regardless of whether he had her consent, is still considered child rape under Vietnamese law," a police officer in Vung Tua told the BBC.


Glitter, 61, had been residing in a rented seaside house since March. But he vanished Nov. 12 after local newspaper reports claimed several underage girls had been seen at his home. He also reportedly was kicked out of a local nightclub for feeling up a teenage barmaid.


Investigators went to Glitter's home after seeing the newspaper accounts. Although Glitter had already gone, the police discovered the two girls. It's not known whether the entertainer paid to have sex with them, but a police official confirmed a probe has been initiated to look into the girls' claims.


"We can already say he had sexual relations with Vietnamese adolescents," Do Minh Dan, deputy director of Ba Ria-Vung Tau provincial police, told reporters Sunday.


British consular officials have reportedly been in touch with the "Do You Wanna Touch" singer and are assisting him with an attorney.


This isn't the first time Glitter has run afoul of authorities.


He pleaded guilty in Britain in 1999 to 54 charges of child pornography after kiddie porn was found on his PC.


Glitter ended up serving two months in prison and was placed on a child sex offender list. After his release, he went underground, turning up in Cuba and then Cambodia. He was expelled from the latter, though no charges were ever filed or any crime was alleged to have been committed, and eventually settled in Vietnam.

Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:16 am

Sorry.. but as the mother of a daughter...well out of the age range of Glitter..he should be castrated if he is allowed to go free..anyone got two bricks? :roll: :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:59 am

Rusty Martin* wrote:..anyone got two bricks? :roll: :wink:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


OUCH !!!



8)

Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:19 am

I have come up with another method for castrating the man.

A noose type knot around his sctoum, with a string going up and over a pulley with a bucket on the end hanging down. Let the bucket fill up with water to increase the weight via a slowly dripping tap.

No, I was not the sort of person to pull the wings off butterflies when I was little. :lol: