Off Topic Messages

Sun Sep 18, 2005 6:42 am

Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:Stay in your bubble, Genesim. You win the FECC's Licensed, Insured, and Professional "Certified Idiot" of the Month Award.

You are the most obnoxious person on this board. I really hope they kick you off.

Ouch!!!

DJC

Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:26 am

Well, Doc, I concede that many might make you that poll winner
for obnoxiousness, but, to me, Genesim owns that, albeit much less
gracefully, if that makes any sense.

So I place you at Number 2 for your famed barbs, and I guess
I might rank in there lately for (a) hoping that "Genesim" gets
kicked off FECC and (b) for polluting the board further
by attempting to engage him in debates here repeatedly. Say
one thing to Genesim and one can guarantee a flood of hysterical
responses and always a fourth-grade like desire for "the last word" on a thread.

It's a useless enterprise to try to engage this "Genesim," I know.
Surely we have a few thoughtful conservative Elvis fans here on FECC. Would you all (?) kindly pipe up a little, lest we think Genesim
is the sole voice of the resident Right Wing Lunatic Fringe? :lol:

Sun Sep 18, 2005 7:59 pm

Greg look at your post. You have gone from suggesting I leave to I should be KICKED OFF???

And you call me childish. I have a pollitical opinion that is different then yours. Get over it. Look at the childish remarks..start with Jeff, got to Elvissessions, then go to Doc. Take a look at the expletives aimed at me.

You got someone laughing at my mother leaving me, to someone outright calling me every name in the book....to Doc who has been guilty of all.

My attempt to engage..has been what? Starting 5 pollitical posts and counting??? Take a look at Doc and you will see where the pollitical debating began.

You are way out of line.

Ryan D wrote:Once the area was declared a National Disaster Area (heard of this?) the situation went into the hands of the national government. See: Bush and Congress. And the President is supposed to set the agenda for Congress.


WRONG. First of all the declaring a National Disaster doesn't mean diddly when it comes to the governer. I could declare it to be Elvis day..doesn't make it so.

Until power is handed over to the president, he has no say. The governer has made it clear that the National Guard are STILL under her command. It is clearly out of the presidents hands. He helps get the equipment, but it is utilized by the governer..not the president..unless there is a Federal Militia take over, which has not happened.

Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:47 am

^^^I'm not even going to bother, since you are always right :roll:

However, you are 100% wrong, and many members of the government have repeated what I have told you in recent weeks in light of the disaster. And yes, many of whom have worked for your "great" President.

Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:52 am

genesim wrote: governer


Don't they teach you to spell this word correctly in 4th grade government class? Oh wait, did you miss out on taking that class?

It all makes sense now....

Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:54 am

Damn Ryan, you may be on to something. I just know if Kerry had been elected, the levees in New Orleans would have not given way causing all those people stuck in their homes to die drowning in flood water. Hell if Kerry could have just won, we could have saved so many lives. damn i bet the hurricane might have even taken a miraculous turn back into the Gulf if that sorry incompetent GW Bush hadnt stolen the election. :(

Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:30 am

Ryan D I have said this once and I will say it again, my spelling isn't important to me. I am a chemist not a composition teacher.

Though when one comes up empty on defense, as others have done, you go for spelling errors. :lol:

Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:47 am

Kylan, you of the rare recent post, what - are you also one of the "Bush Can Do No Wrong" crowd, too?

How embarrassing . Let me tell you: a diet of Fox News and Rush Limbaugh on the AM dial only is easily betrayed. I watch and listen
to both- and then counter it with the opposition. Don't be duped by anyone's party line.

Again, you don't have to be a left-wing nut to know this hasn't been W's
best month. Here's hoping for a quick turnaround. The American people, and the Iraqis and Afghans, for that matter, depend on it.

Here's hoping that the President surprises us all and rises to the occasion
and rebuilds the gulf as he promises. Forget Iraq, we here here
in America need him to deliver. He's got some time, too.

We actually need to pull behind him and the people there and make
this happen. Anything less will seal his legacy for the worse. Doing
it right will ensure a respectable place in history.

Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:18 am

Kylan has been on here a hell of a long time...and possibly longer then you.

As for his stance, I am guessing, but from what I have seen, he does have conservative views.

But then again, I don't call it just that, call it being a realist vs idealist.

Funny how so many like Greg are making assumptions that we listen to Fox or Rush. Though I agree with alot of the views, I rarely have time for any pollitical radio.

Mon Sep 19, 2005 7:43 am

Hey Greg, Im not a blind sheep if thats what you mean. I was just trying to illustrate the point that blaming Bush for this tragedy is terribly misguided. He did not cause the levees to break or for that matter made people stay in their homes causing them to be in harms way. He admitted a breakdown in communications on all levels, federal and local. No matter who was President, it was going to be a TRAGIC situation. PERIOD!

Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:54 am

Good grief nobody thinks GWB actaully caused the hurricane. :roll: :roll:

It was the Federal responce to it that was lacking... they shouldn't have waited 4/5 days after the distaster happened!

The PRESIDENCY is a bully pulpit if it is anything, he should have used his powers more effectivly.... AND persuasivly.

To just sit there for 4/5 days..... DUM DE DUM DUM... HAVING to wait for his permission to HELP these people....?

JEFF d
Elvis fan

Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:03 am

Gregory Nolan Jr. wrote:
I'm an American - not a partisan blow-hard.

Stay in your bubble, Genesim. Again, it's very rich
for you of all people to go around declaring anyone
a"certified Idiot."

You are the most obnoxious person on this board, hands down.


Somebody give this guy a prize! Post of the MONTH right there!

But get ready.... cause he will be coming after YOU now! :lol: :lol:

He says, I made fun of his "situation in life"... well let me tell you I was called a LIER when I told him of MY situation in life. When he insisted on knowing my background.

So **** You genesim! I have no reason to lie to your stupid a**.

JEFF d
Elvis fan

Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:33 am

:wink:

Hello chemists,
Is this approved by Bush ?

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Mon Sep 19, 2005 2:15 pm

Thanks for the discovery of Bill Maher overhere (some place in Holland) Doc !

We are still not recovered from the laughter with Bill Hicks, but we are happy with a new discovery of humour from the America's that we like about the America's that we are less enthousiastic about :lol:

Any Bill Hicks fans here by the way ?
He's getting popular overhere in Holland. I know it's old, but almost anything he say's can be transplanted to these day's.
Bill did a short Elvis imitation by the way (although that was not very funny).

Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:47 pm

genesim wrote:Ryan D I have said this once and I will say it again, my spelling isn't important to me. I am a chemist not a composition teacher.

Though when one comes up empty on defense, as others have done, you go for spelling errors. :lol:


"When one comes up empty"? I've listed facts to you, and you dismiss them as not being true out of ignorance. There's no reason to say anything more to you, because in the end it will not matter. You're clearly brainwashed.

Kylan, about the Kerry stuff, I don't know where any of that came from. Typical spin out of a Republican. I never said things would have been better if Kerry were President, nor did I ever say he "stole" the election. However, I DO believe if he were President it would not have taken 5 days for aide to get to New Orleans.

Bush is a disgrace, as are a few select members of this message board lately.

Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:52 pm

Kylan wrote:Hey Greg, Im not a blind sheep if thats what you mean. I was just trying to illustrate the point that blaming Bush for this tragedy is terribly misguided. He did not cause the levees to break or for that matter made people stay in their homes causing them to be in harms way. He admitted a breakdown in communications on all levels, federal and local. No matter who was President, it was going to be a TRAGIC situation. PERIOD!


Of course he did not cause the levees to break, etc. However, he and the rest of the Republican controlled federal government ARE at fault for people not having food and water for 5 DAYS. This did cause death and harm. Unacceptable. I don't know what they were doing all week, but unfortunately it reminded me of Bush sitting in a Florida classroom looking like a deer in headlights after being informed about 9/11.

Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:50 am

Ryan what facts..my misspelling?? :lol:

Bush does not control the National Guard...FEMA is a seondary responder...there was "anarchy" in the streets. Haven't I said this before?

Refute those FACTS. This was a problem on the local level. Bush's job were none of those things that you accused him of.

Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:33 am

Ringrock wrote:Thanks for the discovery of Bill Maher overhere (some place in Holland) Doc !

You are welcome.

Ringrock wrote:TWe are still not recovered from the laughter with Bill Hicks, but we are happy with a new discovery of humour from the America's that we like about the America's that we are less enthousiastic about :lol:

Any Bill Hicks fans here by the way ?
He's getting popular overhere in Holland. I know it's old, but almost anything he say's can be transplanted to these day's.
Bill did a short Elvis imitation by the way (although that was not very funny).

Hicks was a brilliant, honest, firebrand stand up genius, in the mold of Bruce or Pryor. It's a sin he had to die so young. He'd have his hands full with all the material the current administration is providing.

The Presley imitation wasn't much -- save the Charlie Hodge bits -- but it's clear Bill LOVED Elvis, and rock and roll. And yes, much of his 90s work is still relevant today. Again, the mark of someone special.

DJC

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:41 am

There's an excellent investigation of "what went wrong" in New Orleans
in the new TIME magazine. It's called "The 4 Places Where the System Broke Down."

All levels of government are blamed:the Mayor, the Governor, the FEMA Director, and the Dept. of Homeland Security Director.

A second article is called "Living Too Much In A Bubble?" - about the insular Bush White House - and probably a few true-believers
we've witnessed here recently.

As the President himself said, the
federal reponse to Katrina was unacceptable, as he saw his appointee to FEMA step down and he took responsibility for the bungled performance. Unless he's lying , I suggest our Resident Apologist take a little sabbatical to clear his head. I've never seen
anyone so out there on FECC ...not since that guy who used to post
toilet shots here a few years ago.

It's beyond tiresome.

Let's move on and see if Mr. Bush delivers on his promises to rebuild
one of our great American cities. We need him to succeed without
bankrupting out future.

Tue Sep 20, 2005 7:47 am

Over and over again...ditto to my last hundred responses.

What is "out there" is the refusal to look at facts and to understand the role of a president.

The response was there from the first day and that is why 600+ National Guard came from Texas.

Bush doesn't have to be a visual presence to be doing his job.

The failure was at the Local level. Bush admitted nothing. Only his dissapointment with the RESULTS. Yeah I saw both new conferences LIVE as opposed to picking it up from liberalsareus.com.

Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:19 pm

Where do you come up with this nonsense?

It's a good thing you aren't Bush's advisor.
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The feds dropped the ball in concert with the local people.

Read that Time article..."and learn."

Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:52 pm

Everytime I turn around you are pointing to another source...THEY said it so it must be true! When are you going to think for yourself?

Look Time, CNN, Wall Street, they are going to sensationalize to sell themselves. Doesn't necessarily make it gospel, and it sure can make them flat out wrong. Furthermore, I am not going to trust OPINIONS over logic.

Knowing the law is basic. No matter how you flip it you have to start with that.

I had you pegged from the getgo. You bend with a blow of the wind. If one's opinion sways...so do you. Never a foot in reality. There is nothing wrong with questioning, but at the same time why are so inclined as to ignore my facts? Is it that you don't want to see?

Every newspaper can say that Bush was wrong, but it don't make it so. What is true is that the president is obligated to give power to the state FIRST. So his direction must first be filtered through the governer. He does not control the National Guard troops, so he could not be "late". He could not be the "blame".

When somebody says Department of Homeland Security is to blame for hurricane damage, I seriously doubt the competence of said media outlet.

Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:43 pm

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Had me pegged...! :lol: How laughable.

You're as bad as Bush in refusing to read the newspapers or
watch the news.

All but the most partisan observers agree that
FEMA diddled as did DHS - in addition
to the incompetence of the Mayor and Governor.

Perhaps your fourth grade teacher once advised you to read
newspapers. I suggest you do - and then make up your own mind.

Here's an opinion piece from yesterday New York Times: do you
think they are making it up?

The two top deputies at FEMA remaining after Michael Brown's departure, one of them a former local TV newsman, are not disaster relief specialists but experts in P.R., which they'd practiced as advance men for various Bush campaigns. Thus The Salt Lake Tribune discovered a week after the hurricane that some 1,000 firefighters from Utah and elsewhere were sent not to the Gulf Coast but to Atlanta, to be trained as "community relations officers for FEMA" rather than used as emergency workers to rescue the dying in New Orleans. When 50 of them were finally dispatched to Louisiana, the paper reported, their first assignment was "to stand beside President Bush" as he toured devastated areas.

The cashiering of "Brownie," whom Mr. Bush now purports to know as little as he did "Kenny Boy," changes nothing. The Knight Ridder newspapers found last week that it was the homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff, not Mr. Brown, who had the greater authority to order federal agencies into service without any request from state or local officials. Mr. Chertoff waited a crucial, unexplained 36 hours before declaring Katrina an "incident of national significance," the trigger needed for federal action. Like Mr. Brown, he was oblivious to the humanitarian disaster unfolding in the convention center, confessing his ignorance of conditions there to NPR on the same day that the FEMA chief famously did so to Ted Koppel. Yet Mr. Bush's "culture of responsibility" does not hold Mr. Chertoff accountable. Quite the contrary: on Thursday the president charged Homeland Security with reviewing "emergency plans in every major city in America." Mr. Chertoff will surely do a heck of a job.


Take or leave the Times, but I saw the same thing in TIME,
hardly a left wing rag.

I say bring back the old "Know-Nothing Party" of the 19th Century.
"Genesim"can run as the candidate in 2008.

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:02 pm

WRONG

Not only does Chertoff have to answer but the PRESIDENT has to answer to the governer first. There has to be a declaration of a Federal take over. I have said it before, it is in the constitution.

The problem was not lack of force, it was lack of organization on the local level. The streets were bogged down because there were late calls made by the governer. Once the troops responded, after several days wait from the GOVERNER, they were bumping into each other.

The Director of Homeland Security does not have the authority to override the governer in a local emergency. That decision is made by the president alone.

Homeland Security is exactly that...not to clean up a natural disaster.

Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:05 pm

"The NRP "specifies how the resources of the Federal Government will work in concert with State, local, and tribal governments and the private sector to respond to Incidents of National Significance. "

Have you digested what this means...ONLY AFTER THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAS MADE A DECISION.

We are the United STATES.

Meanwhile, was it George Bush that didn't have a mandatory evacuation till a week later? Was it George Bush that let 500 busses flood? Was it George Bush who put the people in the Superdome without food and water? Was it George Bush who didn't make a plea to every surrounding state on day ONE? Was it George Bush who didn't utilize the National Guard that was available to clean up the mess that local police IGNORED?

There wasn't a shortage of troops. Many states have stepped up and said they were simply never called upon. George Bush asked Governer Blanco on the friday before in a memo if she needed the evacuation taken over and she REFUSED..and is still REFUSING.
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