Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:02 am
Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:17 am
Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:27 am
People talk about choice, but why would a just God let these people go through a series of events that destroys their humanity and ultimately pushes them to indifferently destroy the humanity of others? I can't answer questions like these.
Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:36 am
Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:44 am
likethebike wrote:They have a right to think what they think no matter how vile it may be. However, they don't have a righ to act on those thoughts and acting on those thoughts includes the ownership of child pornography because its existence implies the coercion of a child. Lots of people have vile thoughts but don't act on them. Lou Reed said "Between thought and expression lies a lifetime" and I agree.
To say they have right to exist doesn't give them any legitimacy at the table. For instance, the Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party have an absolute right to exist and they endorse an absolutely vile agenda. However, just because they have the right to speak doesn't mean we have to listen to them or grant them any cultural legitimacy. When they speak, we either ignore it or ridicule it and dismiss it. Once they speak, should we keep an eye on these people? Certainly. But you should have the right to control your own thoughts.
Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:48 am
EagleUSA wrote:No on can "prove" one way or another. That's why it's called faith.
Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:37 am
Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:57 am
Owning child pornography is an action. That's the difference. I'm sorry but people have all sorts of terrible, evil ideas all the time and only a very small few act on those ideas. You can't punish them for ideas. And maybe some of these people may get psychiatric help.
Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:02 pm
Yet I don't know how to make sense of things like Katrina or things like NAMBLa. EagleUSA wrote earlier about how NAMBLA members are monsters. He's right. But they were not born that way. People talk about choice, but why would a just God let these people go through a series of events that destroys their humanity and ultimately pushes them to indifferently destroy the humanity of others? I can't answer questions like these.
Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:02 pm
Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:47 pm
MauriceinIreland wrote:Steve Dube on your God's Earth. We are insane animals on an unfinished planet using our so called free will to murder, torture, starve , and corrupt the earths population in whatever way the most powerful of us decides.
After a life of searching I know for certain there is no such thing as free will...we are the selfish gene, victims of our genetic makeup, doomed to die ignorant of the mighty Cosmos's origen.
Our arrogance in trying to explain the laws governing the Cosmos just has us all so confused many turn to fairy stories by the Ancient scribes who had nothing better to do than make it all up as they went their merry way...happy with their power over the naive!
Mon Sep 19, 2005 8:19 am
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