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Shuttle Coming Home In The Wee Hours

Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:21 am

If you choose to please say a little prayer for our astronauts.

ColinB you can just cross your fingers... :lol:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:54 am

While it is always a dangerous thing, I am feeling very confident that they'll be back with their families in a few hours.

Still, I always hold my breath during these times. I watched the Challenger disaster live in January, 1986 and also the catastrophe from the Columbia in February, 2003.

This time will be no different. I'm holding it now and there is still a few hours left before touchdown. I am now an odd shade of blue.

Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:11 pm

Sadly the landing has been delayed, and I fully understand their caution. I too watched the 1986 and 2003 disasters live, and nothing could be worse than seeing these people helpless toward their fate. Having watched the detailed description this morning of what they need to go through to land, I can see that the crew would be very nervous indeed.

Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:59 pm

Rob wrote:. I'm holding it now and there is still a few hours left before touchdown. I am now an odd shade of blue.


You still with us Rob???

I might have to send nurse Rusty over to give you mouth to mouth!!! :wink:


:D

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:01 pm

How come the Americans always have trouble while the Russians go up and down without any problems. Did they take the more intelligent nazi rocket scientists with them in 1945?

Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:09 pm

except the russians have no rescue equipment for submarines.

america's space program went to the moon. nobody else has tried.

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:37 pm

Luuk wrote:How come the Americans always have trouble while the Russians go up and down without any problems. Did they take the more intelligent nazi rocket scientists with them in 1945?


No, we definitely snagged the brightest and the best Jew hating Nazi bastards before they were rightfully tried and punished for their crimes.

Tom

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:40 pm

Elvis' Babe -

You wrote:
...except the russians have no rescue equipment for submarines.


So they had to rely on the good ol' UK !

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:42 pm

You guys really saved the day!!! Bully for you!!

Tom

Mon Aug 08, 2005 5:51 pm

Tom -

I just didn't like the implication that the US had saved the sub !

They provided some specialist breathing equipment, but it was a UK team using UK equipment who cut the sub free from the underwater entanglements.

Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:15 pm

No argument here.

Tom

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Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:53 pm

As pointed out several days ago in this thread....

http://www.elvis-collectors.com/forum/v ... hp?t=17386

As Tom said...

Bully for you guys!

Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:00 pm

Colin it was both the U.S. and U.K. To split hairs is pretty tacky.

I certaintly can give the U.K. more credit. Next argument...the key player that helped liberate western Europe. :wink:

Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:10 pm

Gotta go with Colin on this one. We may have played a supporting role, but this was clearly the Brits show and they deserve all the credit for saving these guys.

Tom

Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:18 pm

Perhaps this had an effect:

The British vehicle was sent after the Russian navy made an urgent appeal for international help--unlike during the August 2000 sinking of the nuclear submarine Kursk, when authorities held off asking for outside assistance for days. All 118 aboard the Kursk died.

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Like WWII, there were possibly pollitics involved here. In the end it doesn't matter. I am thankful that the people were saved, and wouldnt' it be nice if other countries took noe.

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Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:23 pm

I certainly took notice! The UK is a force to be reconned with! :lol:

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:58 am

ColinB wrote:Elvis' Babe -

You wrote:
...except the russians have no rescue equipment for submarines.


So they had to rely on the good ol' UK !


You tell 'em Colin!!!! Brits to the rescue!!!

Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:35 pm

Welcome Home!

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I look forward to the sequel and work on the ISS.
Until then let's hope that space flights get safer.

Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:18 pm

While we celebrate:
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Lest we forget:
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Tom
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Tue Aug 09, 2005 6:20 pm

Yes !

Welcome home, Discovery !

And well done !

Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:59 am

genesim wrote:Colin it was both the U.S. and U.K. To split hairs is pretty tacky.

I certaintly can give the U.K. more credit. Next argument...the key player that helped liberate western Europe. :wink:


The Japanese :wink:

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:15 am

genesim -

You wrote:
Next argument...the key player that helped liberate western Europe.


From the Germans ?

We already fought that one [again] !

General Zukov led the Russians who liberated most of Western Europe.

I believe the British/US forces also played a part.

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:36 am

Don't you mean to say EASTERN Europe? As far as I remember from my History Lesson, the Russians never got past Germany till the end of the war. The only things that killed Germany was the fact that A. Germans were getting tired of mowing down Russians, and B. the cold winter. And C. Hitler's stupidity in trying to take Moscow(history should have taught him that taking a capital is not an easy task and at the very least one should regroup).

Sorry Colin, but it was true last arguement..true 50 + years ago. The United States was the key player in WWII for turning the tides. Patton wanted to fight the Russians alone. They were a bunch of murderers and were almost as bad as Germany was at that time.

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:00 pm

genesim wrote: Next argument...the key player that helped liberate western Europe. :wink:


The answer to this is the Allies. It was a team effort.

Could the western powers have done it without the Russians attacking from the East?

Could the landings in France have been so successful without the French Resistance?

Would there have been a western Europe to save without Britain fighting alone after the fall of France and while the Russians were on the other side?

Could Britain have survived without US help?

Would there have been a toehold in Europe for US troops if the British had not defeated the Germans in North Africa?

Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:08 pm

Andrew -

The same answer covers every one of your questions !

We'll never know !

Thought it might be timely to show the WWII deaths again:

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The total comes to 56,125,262.

This list is different to the one I posted once before.

The breakdown between civilian & military deaths is shown, if known.