Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:56 pm
Steve_M wrote:Again, it is not the innocent intent with which it is said, but the perception by others elsewhere.
Do they, for example in the East, take the possible litteral meaning to be one of America trying to have God all to themselves?
Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:44 pm
Sun Jul 24, 2005 2:53 pm
Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:07 pm
Sun Jul 24, 2005 4:51 pm
Stephen Butler wrote:Colin:
It seems so long ago but it was in fact only July 6 when London won the bid for the 2012 Olympics. How proud we all were then, especially since the victory involved beating the French. Indeed, the media was full of national pride, saying this rivalry with the French was only harmless because their President had slagged off our food. That day it was OK to be patriotic but the following day it wasn't? Many died in London that day and I would hate to think that their deaths were pointless as we all caved in to terror and said "These lunatic bombers must be right if they've gone to all that trouble to blow us up!" No thank you, I don't think this country is perfect but I will stand up, be counted and defend it - right or wrong. Any honest citizen of any country should do the same.
Sun Jul 24, 2005 6:09 pm
Scatter wrote:Steve_M wrote:Again, it is not the innocent intent with which it is said, but the perception by others elsewhere.
Do they, for example in the East, take the possible litteral meaning to be one of America trying to have God all to themselves?
Steve.......it seems you are arguing just to argue . Your point is ill-conceived. People can ask God to bless their nation, or any other nation for whom they choose to intercede. I frankly don't give a flip if citizens of other countries ask God to bless them, since I don't believe that this excludes America from receiving a blessing. And I'm quite certain anyone with a modicum of common sense sees it that way as well.
The only way your perspective could be valid is if the song was written to say.....
God Bless America (alone)
Land that I love (exclusively)
Stand beside her (solely)
And guide her (and just her)
Through the night with the light from above (while all others remain in shadow)
HMMMMMMM........now that I see it written down.......that's damn catchy![]()
Sun Jul 24, 2005 11:25 pm
Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:33 am
Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:13 pm
Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:26 pm
ColinB wrote:Scatter -
So if this 'God' [or is it 'Gods'] that you speak of, bestows his/their 'blessing' on all countries, aren't things back to square one; with no country having any advantage out of the deal ?
All seems a bit of a waste of time & effort.
Or am I missing something ?
Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:35 pm
Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:40 pm
to seek His blessing upon the country where He chose for me to live
Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:13 pm
ColinB wrote:Stephen -
Well, yes, I did feel kinda proud when that 2012 Olympic announcement was made.
But being proud of the UK for those sort of achievements is OK in my book.
Being proud of a country for bombing & killing innocent civilians is another matter entirely.
Pete -
I don't need reminding about WWII.
I lived through part of it, unlike most of you young bloods on here.
Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:34 pm
But I can agree with you that the loss of those lives as unintentional casualties of war is tragic.
It's this very same mindset the west will need to overcome the jihadists.
Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:37 pm
ColinB wrote:Stephen -
Well, yes, I did feel kinda proud when that 2012 Olympic announcement was made.
But being proud of the UK for those sort of achievements is OK in my book.
Being proud of a country for bombing & killing innocent civilians is another matter entirely.
Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:56 pm
Colin:
For a moment there, I thought you were holding this country responsible for the bombings and killings in London. But that can't be right...can it?
Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:07 pm
Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:28 pm
So it isn't the terrorists/murderers whose sole goal is to kill innocents, but it is the UK for supporting the U.S. for the war in Iraq??? How much does it take Colin?
Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:20 pm
Steve_M wrote:to seek His blessing upon the country where He chose for me to live
If you move abroad are you breaking the will of God for you to live where He chose?
It's possible........like if I were to move anywhere without pizza. God would never do that to me![]()
So after all the above, do I ferret amongst that and find that you think (or feeeeeeeellll) that it is possible that some people in some parts of the world are finding unintended meaning in what we regard as traditional phrases ?
What can be ferreted out is the fact that I couldn't give a rat's ass if someone elses' ignorance of the facts caused their FEEEEELLLINGS to be hurt. They need to THINK.And if they are unwilling to find the facts before they react emotionally,they need to shut the hell up because the world doesn't owe them an offense free existense.
and what about people who THINK they Feeeeeeelllllll a certain way ?
Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:30 am
Careless bombing of civilians in retalliation doesn't help anyone.
Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:35 am
Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:46 am
Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:26 am
Colin, are you saying that we do nothing but go around and kill innocents at will?
Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:50 pm
Careless bombing of civilians in retalliation doesn't help anyone.
Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:02 pm
Scatter wrote:What can be ferreted out is the fact that I couldn't give a rat's ass if someone elses' ignorance of the facts caused their FEEEEELLLINGS to be hurt.
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