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I was looking at the MRS Now 1971 4 cd set but it looks like it is the same shows as the FTD Las Vegas 1971 set. The dates look the same. Does anyone who has both of these sets in if the MRS is better in sound of the FTD. I see an extra disc so is there more material on the MRS. Thanks in advance.
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'Ate'?

Yes, I 'ate' them both.
The MRS one left me with a bit of a sour aftertaste though 😉



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So you're saying that the Formidably Tasty Dessert is better? :wink:


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Rocker77 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:16 am
I was looking at the MRS Now 1971 4 cd set but it looks like it is the same shows as the FTD Las Vegas 1971 set. The dates look the same. Does anyone who has both of these sets in if the MRS is better in sound of the FTD. I see an extra disc so is there more material on the MRS. Thanks in advance.
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It's the usual from this outfit, stealing audio from other titles, primarily SONY/RCA/FTD. The difference this time is they run the audio through their latest toy, software that tries to make the MONO recording sound like stereo. Disc 4 uses audio from something the same folks put out 13 years before, but now run through that software.


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On Tape 1972 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:01 pm
https://keithflynn.com/essential_lists/concerts-1971.html

+ what the Doc said.
But if the shows were recorded in 1971 and not officially released prior to the end of that year, they would have fallen into Public Domain in Europe. So nothing to do with the suggestion of stealing from FTD.


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emjel wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:41 pm
On Tape 1972 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:01 pm
https://keithflynn.com/essential_lists/concerts-1971.html

+ what the Doc said.
But if the shows were recorded in 1971 and not officially released prior to the end of that year, they would have fallen into Public Domain in Europe. So nothing to do with the suggestion of stealing from FTD.
January 28, 1971 (Dinner Show) is a recording that MRS presumably lifted from FTD's "The Impossible Dream". It's a mixed bag, really. FTD's "Las Vegas '71" was issued after the MRS title, after the recordings fell into public domain and it was sourced from better (most likely the original) tapes.



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On Tape 1972 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 4:57 pm
emjel wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:41 pm
On Tape 1972 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:01 pm
https://keithflynn.com/essential_lists/concerts-1971.html

+ what the Doc said.
But if the shows were recorded in 1971 and not officially released prior to the end of that year, they would have fallen into Public Domain in Europe. So nothing to do with the suggestion of stealing from FTD.
January 28, 1971 (Dinner Show) is a recording that MRS presumably lifted from FTD's "The Impossible Dream". It's a mixed bag, really. FTD's "Las Vegas '71" was issued after the MRS title, after the recordings fell into public domain and it was sourced from better (most likely the original) tapes.
The way these tapes bounce around the world, it is of course possible that someone else also had a copy of that tape that FTD used and MRS acquired it later from them.


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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:01 pm
Rocker77 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:16 am
I was looking at the MRS Now 1971 4 cd set but it looks like it is the same shows as the FTD Las Vegas 1971 set. The dates look the same. Does anyone who has both of these sets in if the MRS is better in sound of the FTD. I see an extra disc so is there more material on the MRS. Thanks in advance.
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It's the usual from this outfit, stealing audio from other titles, primarily SONY/RCA/FTD. The difference this time is they run the audio through their latest toy, software that tries to make the MONO recording sound like stereo. Disc 4 uses audio from something the same folks put out 13 years before, but now run through that software.
Tiresome post from the MRS hater making unfounded claims.



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Lee Wood wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:03 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:01 pm
Rocker77 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:16 am
I was looking at the MRS Now 1971 4 cd set but it looks like it is the same shows as the FTD Las Vegas 1971 set. The dates look the same. Does anyone who has both of these sets in if the MRS is better in sound of the FTD. I see an extra disc so is there more material on the MRS. Thanks in advance.
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It's the usual from this outfit, stealing audio from other titles, primarily SONY/RCA/FTD. The difference this time is they run the audio through their latest toy, software that tries to make the MONO recording sound like stereo. Disc 4 uses audio from something the same folks put out 13 years before, but now run through that software.
Tiresome post from the MRS hater making unfounded claims.
He’s right whether you like it or not. And you have 0 evidence to suggest the opposite it true so stop pushing this narrative of MRS not taking from official titles.



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Elvis2000 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:32 pm
Lee Wood wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:03 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:01 pm
Rocker77 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:16 am
I was looking at the MRS Now 1971 4 cd set but it looks like it is the same shows as the FTD Las Vegas 1971 set. The dates look the same. Does anyone who has both of these sets in if the MRS is better in sound of the FTD. I see an extra disc so is there more material on the MRS. Thanks in advance.
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It's the usual from this outfit, stealing audio from other titles, primarily SONY/RCA/FTD. The difference this time is they run the audio through their latest toy, software that tries to make the MONO recording sound like stereo. Disc 4 uses audio from something the same folks put out 13 years before, but now run through that software.
Tiresome post from the MRS hater making unfounded claims.
He’s right whether you like it or not. And you have 0 evidence to suggest the opposite it true so stop pushing this narrative of MRS not taking from official titles.
He's not right. Educate yourself with the law in Europe.



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Elvis2000 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:32 pm
Lee Wood wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:03 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:01 pm
Rocker77 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:16 am
I was looking at the MRS Now 1971 4 cd set but it looks like it is the same shows as the FTD Las Vegas 1971 set. The dates look the same. Does anyone who has both of these sets in if the MRS is better in sound of the FTD. I see an extra disc so is there more material on the MRS. Thanks in advance.
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It's the usual from this outfit, stealing audio from other titles, primarily SONY/RCA/FTD. The difference this time is they run the audio through their latest toy, software that tries to make the MONO recording sound like stereo. Disc 4 uses audio from something the same folks put out 13 years before, but now run through that software.
Tiresome post from the MRS hater making unfounded claims.
He’s right whether you like it or not. And you have 0 evidence to suggest the opposite it true so stop pushing this narrative of MRS not taking from official titles.
So please provide complete evidence that MRS took the recordings from FTD as opposed to getting the recordings from another source….maybe the same third party source that provided FTD had nothing to do with Sony.


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emjel wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:06 pm
Elvis2000 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:32 pm
He’s right whether you like it or not. And you have 0 evidence to suggest the opposite it true so stop pushing this narrative of MRS not taking from official titles.


So please provide complete evidence that MRS took the recordings from FTD as opposed to getting the recordings from another source….maybe the same third party source that provided FTD had nothing to do with Sony.



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is this also the case of the '72 recordings?



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lpa wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:51 pm
is this also the case of the '72 recordings?
Yep. No original sources as these are offically held by SONY/FTD/RCA. So what you get from MRS is stolen/copied and than artifically tempered with to make it "special"... :facep:



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Markus K. wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:07 pm
lpa wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:51 pm
is this also the case of the '72 recordings?
Yep. No original sources as these are offically held by SONY/FTD/RCA. So what you get from MRS is stolen/copied and than artifically tempered with to make it "special"... :facep:
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Markus K. wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:07 pm
lpa wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:51 pm
is this also the case of the '72 recordings?
Yep. No original sources as these are offically held by SONY/FTD/RCA. So what you get from MRS is stolen/copied and than artifically tempered with to make it "special"... :facep:
You have absolutely no proof that those cassette recordings were not given to someone else decades ago and they have put them on the market for sale. This is not like official studio recordings where it is obvious who owns them etc.


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Markus K. wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:07 pm
lpa wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:51 pm
is this also the case of the '72 recordings?
Yep. No original sources as these are offically held by SONY/FTD/RCA. So what you get from MRS is stolen/copied and than artifically tempered with to make it "special"... :facep:
You clearly have no idea about how public domain recordings work. If those 1971 soundboard recordings were not released by Sony by the end of 2021, they are deemed to have fallen into public domain in Europe and so anyone can use them. From what I can see, this FTD release did not come out until 2022. The law clearly states "use them or lose them.
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drjohncarpenter wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:01 pm
Rocker77 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:16 am
I was looking at the MRS Now 1971 4 cd set but it looks like it is the same shows as the FTD Las Vegas 1971 set. The dates look the same. Does anyone who has both of these sets in if the MRS is better in sound of the FTD. I see an extra disc so is there more material on the MRS. Thanks in advance.
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It's the usual from this outfit, stealing audio from other titles, primarily SONY/RCA/FTD. The difference this time is they run the audio through their latest toy, software that tries to make the MONO recording sound like stereo. Disc 4 uses audio from something the same folks put out 13 years before, but now run through that software.
It's very difficult to steal this audio from Sony/RCA/FTD when Sony/RCA/FTD released most of this material AFTER MRS.


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Elvis2000 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:32 pm
Lee Wood wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:03 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:01 pm
Rocker77 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:16 am
I was looking at the MRS Now 1971 4 cd set but it looks like it is the same shows as the FTD Las Vegas 1971 set. The dates look the same. Does anyone who has both of these sets in if the MRS is better in sound of the FTD. I see an extra disc so is there more material on the MRS. Thanks in advance.
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It's the usual from this outfit, stealing audio from other titles, primarily SONY/RCA/FTD. The difference this time is they run the audio through their latest toy, software that tries to make the MONO recording sound like stereo. Disc 4 uses audio from something the same folks put out 13 years before, but now run through that software.
Tiresome post from the MRS hater making unfounded claims.
He’s right whether you like it or not. And you have 0 evidence to suggest the opposite it true so stop pushing this narrative of MRS not taking from official titles.
There is plenty of evidence to suggest the opposite. MRS released most of this music BEFORE FTD released it. Therefore, how can they steal it from something they don't have access to?


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emjel wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:28 pm
Markus K. wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:07 pm
lpa wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:51 pm
is this also the case of the '72 recordings?
Yep. No original sources as these are offically held by SONY/FTD/RCA. So what you get from MRS is stolen/copied and than artifically tempered with to make it "special"... :facep:
You clearly have no idea about how public domain recordings work. If those 1971 soundboard recordings were not released by Sony by the end of 1971, they are deemed to have fallen into public domain in Europe and so anyone can use them. The law clearly states "use them or lose them.
That should say "by the end of 2021," in case anyone gets confused!

It does seem very odd that FTD didn't release the material before the end of 2021. OK, MRS may well have still released their stereo-ised recordings after FTD, but FTD would have got the bulk of the sales from fans because it came first. Some of the decisions are mind-blowing.


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pmp wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:39 pm
emjel wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:28 pm
Markus K. wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:07 pm
lpa wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:51 pm
is this also the case of the '72 recordings?
Yep. No original sources as these are offically held by SONY/FTD/RCA. So what you get from MRS is stolen/copied and than artifically tempered with to make it "special"... :facep:
You clearly have no idea about how public domain recordings work. If those 1971 soundboard recordings were not released by Sony by the end of 1971, they are deemed to have fallen into public domain in Europe and so anyone can use them. The law clearly states "use them or lose them.
That should say "by the end of 2021," in case anyone gets confused!

It does seem very odd that FTD didn't release the material before the end of 2021. OK, MRS may well have still released their stereo-ised recordings after FTD, but FTD would have got the bulk of the sales from fans because it came first. Some of the decisions are mind-blowing.
Yes, I spotted that just before your message was received so amended it, but thanks. I find the hostility toward this label bizarre when no one seems to complain about all the other releases that are knocking around that contains material that is not in PD.


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emjel wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 10:24 pm
pmp wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:39 pm
emjel wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:28 pm
Markus K. wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:07 pm
lpa wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 8:51 pm
is this also the case of the '72 recordings?
Yep. No original sources as these are offically held by SONY/FTD/RCA. So what you get from MRS is stolen/copied and than artifically tempered with to make it "special"... :facep:
You clearly have no idea about how public domain recordings work. If those 1971 soundboard recordings were not released by Sony by the end of 1971, they are deemed to have fallen into public domain in Europe and so anyone can use them. The law clearly states "use them or lose them.
That should say "by the end of 2021," in case anyone gets confused!

It does seem very odd that FTD didn't release the material before the end of 2021. OK, MRS may well have still released their stereo-ised recordings after FTD, but FTD would have got the bulk of the sales from fans because it came first. Some of the decisions are mind-blowing.
Yes, I spotted that just before your message was received so amended it, but thanks. I find the hostility toward this label bizarre when no one seems to complain about all the other releases that are knocking around that contains material that is not in PD.
It's a game of follow the leader, and little else.


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pmp wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:36 pm
Elvis2000 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:32 pm
Lee Wood wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:03 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:01 pm
Rocker77 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:16 am
I was looking at the MRS Now 1971 4 cd set but it looks like it is the same shows as the FTD Las Vegas 1971 set. The dates look the same. Does anyone who has both of these sets in if the MRS is better in sound of the FTD. I see an extra disc so is there more material on the MRS. Thanks in advance.
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It's the usual from this outfit, stealing audio from other titles, primarily SONY/RCA/FTD. The difference this time is they run the audio through their latest toy, software that tries to make the MONO recording sound like stereo. Disc 4 uses audio from something the same folks put out 13 years before, but now run through that software.
Tiresome post from the MRS hater making unfounded claims.
He’s right whether you like it or not. And you have 0 evidence to suggest the opposite it true so stop pushing this narrative of MRS not taking from official titles.
There is plenty of evidence to suggest the opposite. MRS released most of this music BEFORE FTD released it. Therefore, how can they steal it from something they don't have access to?
And there's even more evidence to suggest the opposite.



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Lee Wood wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:45 pm
Elvis2000 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:32 pm
Lee Wood wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:03 pm
drjohncarpenter wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:01 pm
Rocker77 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:16 am
I was looking at the MRS Now 1971 4 cd set but it looks like it is the same shows as the FTD Las Vegas 1971 set. The dates look the same. Does anyone who has both of these sets in if the MRS is better in sound of the FTD. I see an extra disc so is there more material on the MRS. Thanks in advance.
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It's the usual from this outfit, stealing audio from other titles, primarily SONY/RCA/FTD. The difference this time is they run the audio through their latest toy, software that tries to make the MONO recording sound like stereo. Disc 4 uses audio from something the same folks put out 13 years before, but now run through that software.
Tiresome post from the MRS hater making unfounded claims.
He’s right whether you like it or not. And you have 0 evidence to suggest the opposite it true so stop pushing this narrative of MRS not taking from official titles.
He's not right. Educate yourself with the law in Europe.
What do European laws have to do with the fact that they are lifting material from official releases?