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Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:46 am

Little Darlin wrote:
ColinB wrote:
Little Darlin wrote:A Rival .. no way Colin no way.
The very first time Elvis and Sir Tom met, Elvis was singing With these Hands a hit that Sir Tom had out at the time.
Sir Tom has always said that Elvis inspired him to become a Singer so why would he think of him as a Rival?


Simply because they were both chasing an audience from the same demographic area................


I can't buy that Colin. Both thought enough of each other to attend the other's Show. Maybe the Managers did something to stoke the fires with a little jealousy here and there to try and win the Audiences. Who knows.


Maybe Elvis' attendance-record-smashing shows and overwhelming popularity started to get the better of Tom Jones and his ability to be tactful?

I do genuinely enjoy some of Tom Jones' songs, but I sometimes wonder about Tom Jones himself. He has publicly disparaged Elvis on more than one occasion. And one of these denigrations concerned his vocal ability. And, when you hear / read the following, where Jones isn't being negative per se, but seems to be aggrandising himself, you can't help but get a bit suspicious:

He said, 'What's it like in Wales then? You come from Wales?' I said 'Yeah'. And he said, 'Do all people sing like that in Wales?' I said, 'Well, not exactly', but I said, 'Welsh people have strong voices, that is where I get my strength from. My volume is where I come from'. But, I said, 'I was influenced more by American music than I was Welsh traditional music'.

So I said, 'It's a combination. I have a Welsh voice, but because of American music influencing me so much, I am sounding like I do'. Because they thought I was black, you know. When they first started playing my records in America, they thought I was black. And so did Elvis Presley. He said, 'When I heard 'What's New Pussycat', I thought it was a black fella singing it'. Which was strange for him to say because they thought he was black when he started.

We became friends from that day on, and that was in 65. We were friends until just before he died. We worked Vegas a lot together, at the same time. He came to see me at The Flamingo in 68, because he said he wanted to make a comeback, live, because he hadn't sung live for years.

He wanted to sing in Las Vegas, so he felt that I was the closest thing to him; I had a similar approach. My stage presence, he felt, was very similar to his. So he said to me, 'You were very successful in Vegas, I want to watch you, I want to see what you do'. And then it gave him more confidence to make a comeback.

He saw me in 68 in The Flamingo, then he opened the International Hotel, no he was the second one in, Barbra Streisand opened it and Elvis was the second one in to the International in 1969, which later became the Hilton.

He said that I gave him confidence to make a comeback, because the group thing was so big, he felt his style might be old fashioned. You know that the single performer, you know, was gone, because The Beatles were so successful.

And he said that because I was so successful, it gave him more confidence to make a comeback, which I was very pleased about, that I had contributed something to Elvis Presley, because he had contributed so much to me, and the world in general, of course, in the 50s. Being influenced by Elvis, I was glad that I could give something back to him.

Source: http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/elvis_tom_jones.shtml


Notice how he constantly mentions himself? Elvis mistook him for a black man (read: "Aren't I a great singer?") and he places the emphasis on Elvis needing him for inspiration multiple times. It's probably nothing, and there's certainly a more straight-forward way of reading those comments, but there seems to be a subtle element of ego-boosting at work.

Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:14 am

If Elvis Presley was Alive Today I'd put Money on him being Proud of Sir Tom for still being in the Business after all these Years.

Has Anyone else on the Board been to see Sir Tom live?

He's been in the Showbusiness for 50 years or so .. a couple of bad Interviews doesn't make him a Monster where Elvis is concerned .. if he was I wouldn't be such a Fan.

There are Photo's of Sir Tom and Elvis together in 69 .. who's to say he wasn't getting tips? Were we there?

Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:48 am

Little Darlin wrote:He's been in the Showbusiness for 50 years or so .. a couple of bad Interviews doesn't make him a Monster where Elvis is concerned .. if he was I wouldn't be such a Fan.


Definitely not. I think Colin summed it up: he seems to run hot and cold. But I don't think a real friend would make jokes at their other friend's expense on national TV. That's what I find sad about it all.

Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:46 pm

[quote) .......................Elvis was -- the deep reverential feeling for, and of, a song was conveyed not only in his voice, but in his facial expressions and body movements. At his best, Elvis was a flowing conduit for the music. Artistically, he fulfilled Bruce Lee's mantra: "be like water". [url]Every other performer looks third-rate by comparison[/url].[/quote]

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Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:52 am

Sylvain..

How lucky are you?? It's my ambition to meet Sir Tom ... I don't know what I would say to him but never mind lol.

Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:08 am

I usually Like Tom Jones stuff but this performance is terrible.
About as subtle as a bunker buster.

Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:04 pm

KingOfTheJungle wrote:I usually Like Tom Jones stuff but this performance is terrible.
About as subtle as a bunker buster.


Well, subtlety was never Tom's forte !

Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:53 pm

I agree 100% with your last 2 post Colin...the only note jones can hold is a £.

Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:45 pm

iamhekev wrote:I agree 100% with your last 2 post Colin...the only note jones can hold is a £.


In the U.S., that would be equivalent to a C-note$! :wink:

Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:30 pm

Tom Jones' version of Trilogy is painful to listen to IMO which could be because he is trying too hard. Not going for the last note is also disappointing esp after more recent comments by Tom on how "Elvis didn't go for the high notes but, let his backing singers do it for him" which I always thought was a major insult. When he said that, I thought "if Tom Jones is saying Elvis can't sing, what will the rest of the dumb music business now start saying"! Thank goodness that scenario never actually materialised. Everyone who heard it must have thought Tom was being a tw*t which basically is what he was being.
He also did Elvis' "Are You Lonesome Tonight" in 1978 saying it was one of his two favorite Elvis songs. His version is far worse than Elvis' CBS version and underlines what a difficult song it is to sing with any sort of sincerity. Just goes to show how fantastic Elvis' "Trilogy" from 73 and the original "AYLT" really are.

Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:52 am

It is apparently from 1975

Re: an american trilogy: Tom Jones

Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:40 pm

Well, actually i think it is a decent version - I always liked TJ a lot. But every time i hear EP do this song - and especially see him do it in Aloha I wonder what went through his head at that particular moment? I mean...a poor boy from the South on a huge stage with a big band in the back going world-wide via sattelite...that must have felt soooo big and unreal, and at the same time he is paying aa kind of tribute to his country by doing this song. Wonderful!!